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NotJack
United States737 Posts
But as Sm3agol said, people shouldn't be posting like they know what they're talking about when they don't. This game is heavily based on knowledge and I don't appreciate seeing people with good attitudes who are eager to learn being dragged down by bad players with large egos. Most new players have similar egos and don't help teammates or take advice from them, so every new player with the social skills/common sense to ask for help should be treated like gods. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17870 Posts
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
Flint and EW are popular heroes to start out carries mostly just because they're simple, but more important you don't try carries at first to see "if that's what you're good at" you try heroes that are good without farm, then you learn to farm, then you try heroes that are only good with farm. All carries are hard to play for any new player. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17870 Posts
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Am0n3r
United States254 Posts
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coopes
United States144 Posts
Do you think random is really the best way to start off? | ||
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
Also that modified advice about playing a carry to see that you can't is very valuable. As I said before about new players having egos, if you're new and just realize that you suck and look for ways to improve, you're destined to be good. If you're a good player and you realize that you suck and look for ways to improve, you're destined to be great. Easiest example of this is that there are players who are 1900+ who don't swap treads ever. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On August 18 2011 01:59 NotJack wrote: I got into a ridiculous debate about it a while ago, but I always say witch slayer/plague rider are the best ones to start out as, just because they're both very simple and very useful to the team. There's no real right answer though. Also that modified advice about playing a carry to see that you can't is very valuable. As I said before about new players having egos, if you're new and just realize that you suck and look for ways to improve, you're destined to be good. If you're a good player and you realize that you suck and look for ways to improve, you're destined to be great. Easiest example of this is that there are players who are 1900+ who don't swap treads ever. See this is the kind of thing that annoys me too. I have no idea what that means. -_- Along with a multitude of other things. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17870 Posts
On August 18 2011 02:07 Sm3agol wrote: See this is the kind of thing that annoys me too. I have no idea what that means. -_- Along with a multitude of other things. It means swapping stats on steamboots. This item gives +10 to attribute and you can swap its bonus. Swapping it to strength gives you more hp (useful when you're taking hits), agility gives you more attack speed and intelligence gives you more mana. Smart player will utilise this to maximise his potential by swapping the bonus around according to the situation (getting hit/need to regen = str, need to nuke/regen mana = int etc.). | ||
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
If I have 1200 hp with str treads on and 1000 hp with agi treads on, a full mana battery will give me 12.5% of my hp back on str treads, and 15% of my hp back on agi treads. When you change from agi treads to str treads, it looks at your % of hp and adjusts it for the extra hp. This applies to int too. With a bottle that can heal you for 405 hp with all three charges, it is a big deal. Players who use the int treads especially get a big edge on people because they can use one or two more nukes. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
If you know who kunkka is, the guy who has done the loading screens for the past 5 versions or so, got the pirate named after him etc.. He is in charge of much of the artwork and if you don't like his style [ myself included ] its very easy to see why you can't get behind a lot of this stuff. He's basically the Samwise of Blizzard. That said, I said fuck it and went to sleep after game 1 so yeah...Getting ready to be disappointed from this point on. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On August 18 2011 02:12 Manit0u wrote: It means swapping stats on steamboots. This item gives +10 to attribute and you can swap its bonus. Swapping it to strength gives you more hp (useful when you're taking hits), agility gives you more attack speed and intelligence gives you more mana. Smart player will utilise this to maximise his potential by swapping the bonus around according to the situation (getting hit/need to regen = str, need to nuke/regen mana = int etc.). Ahh. Well I feel pro now. I do that already, although probably not very optimally. On August 18 2011 02:13 NotJack wrote: When casting spells you want to have int treads on, when pushing towers you want your hero's stat on, when using bottle/battery you want agi treads on, when using chalice you want str treads on, when trying to not die you want str treads on. If I have 1200 hp with str treads on and 1000 hp with agi treads on, a full mana battery will give me 12.5% of my hp back on str treads, and 15% of my hp back on agi treads. When you change from agi treads to str treads, it looks at your % of hp and adjusts it for the extra hp. This applies to int too. With a bottle that can heal you for 405 hp with all three charges, it is a big deal. Players who use the int treads especially get a big edge on people because they can use one or two more nukes. And I never realized all of this. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On August 18 2011 02:07 Sm3agol wrote: See this is the kind of thing that annoys me too. I have no idea what that means. -_- Along with a multitude of other things. Ok, treads are steamboots. (They're called power treads in dota). What he is referring to is that if you have bottle/powersupply you can get more value from them by swapping to agi when you use them, as the 135 hp/80 mana you get gets multiplied by like 1.1 or something like that, which is rather sizable on some heroes mana pools (SS is the main one I use this on). There are some other cases (HB's life void), but those are the ones that apply to every hero and can be used to make bottle a better item. You can also swap treads to have mana to cast that needed spell, etc. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
Before you start reading this mym is using a push strat right now on the english Dota 2 stream, I'll be editing this with an explanation. Push strats are all about being able to kill waves and towers very fast/early to get your team an early gold advantage, and sometimes just push so well that you can get racks despite not having a super deadly teamfighting team. Heroes can be good at pushing for different reasons, like how SS and pyro can clear waves very fast, or how Keeper has op minions that can solo towers. SS and pyro though usually just use their push power to get farm so they can be very strong, while a team like MYM's right now has Slither (wards for push) Furion (minions for push) Necrolyte (aoe nuke and heal for push) Witch Doctor (aoe nuke and heal for push) and Chen (very strong minions for push). That kind of lineup has both strong minions that will be difficult to prevent from killing towers, and heals that keep the heroes strong enough to continue pushing. Those are the real two types of different push strats. http://www.honcast.com/video/2011/08/08/ign-pro-beatdown-grand-finals-col-vs-bb-game-2 Here's a crazy extreme example of Col stomping randoms with a funny push strat. They basically just mass minions and use War Beast's howl to make them insnaely strong. The simply have so many creeps that the other team can't kill them fast enough. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On August 18 2011 02:24 NotJack wrote: While cutting lanes off as legionaire (and really any hero that can) is a good way to kill a tower, it's not really a push strat because the dps on the towers is too low and a good team will have time to come defend it. Before you start reading this mym is using a push strat right now on the english Dota 2 stream, I'll be editing this with an explanation. Can't watch right now, I'm at "work". But I heard that's what they're doing. :-p | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17870 Posts
On August 18 2011 02:21 Sm3agol wrote: Another random question.....push strats. What exactly is that. Just last night I saw a strat for the first time, where a legionaire went double buckler + hp regen and just sat between the two enemy towers absorbing all the creeps and told me(magmus) to babysit and pull creeps and such for him. That seems like a push strat, but it didn't really seem very viable as it seemingly depended a lot on the fact that our opponents in that lane were nh and accursed, and so they just couldn't do much to prevent us from just sitting there and doing whatever we wanted. Push strat is a strategy aimed at pushing towers early. It usually involves several "pushing" heroes like Pollywog, Defiler, Treant, Wildsoul, Tempest, Ophelia, Torturer, Wildbeast, Slither. Basically, heroes who generate/enhance bodies during the push, which help drop the towers. There was an excellent example on honcast.com somewhere (CoL vs BB game 2 if I remember correctly), where team using push strat got 5 tower kills (first below 1 minute into the game) and barracks below 10 minute mark. | ||
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Glull
Germany404 Posts
the tower skipping legionnaire is very strong against bad/unprepared players and is technically a push strat - but normally a push strat is played with strong aoe healers (ds nymph rhap etc) in combination with minions (ophelia kotf wb tempest etc) and usually at least one strong solo hero with a push skill (polly defiler torturer). oh, and push strats are quite broken in hon - mainly because bulwark gives -5 armor for 1,8k gold and kotf/war beast are crazy strong (compared to dota). | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Beastmaster's quill boar looks like scar from the lion king + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.allfreevectors.com/images/Free%20Vector%20The%20Lion%20King%20Scar%2021070.jpg) | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17870 Posts
The weakness of push strats is that it has diminishing returns, the longer the game lasts the weaker it becomes. | ||
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