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On March 17 2011 20:23 rabidch wrote:http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTg5NzU4Mjg0.htmlthis video is a bit old, but i never realized how badly ehome rolled eswc (14-0 is yeah, but look at those game lengths), basically all of the highlights rolled into one. still a real pity merlini didnt go, and that terribad ehome vs nirvana.int game
Merlini wouldn't have mattered considering you had the dumbfuck Puppy on that team who folds against innovation harder than anyone else. Yeah let's punt a lion lane by moving BOTH seer and morph into the jungle, yeah that's what you need to do.
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Guys, we need more TL people to play dota with us.
Nothing serious, nothing competitive, just all fun.
This is how our typical dota game looks like:
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On March 17 2011 13:24 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 13:08 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 17 2011 11:48 Goshawk. wrote:On March 16 2011 06:50 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 15 2011 06:23 JeeJee wrote:On March 15 2011 05:10 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:30 Firereaver wrote:On March 11 2011 09:02 Rakanishu2 wrote:
From someone who played all three extensively, HoN requires the most knowledge and skill, by far. LOOOOOOOOOOLololololol. HoN requires more knowledge and skill than DotA!????! Seriously just quit plaing straightaway if you think so. Please spectate some professional DotA and then see if you can tolerate any professional HoN ! Also while you're at it, you have all the freedom to stop spouting BS like that! Sorry, it's true. before you reply: take it to PMs, I'm not going to argue with you in public when that's the way you address posts. how can it be unequivocally true? you certainly didn't do any studies on it and i seriously doubt 'playing all three extensively' constitutes anything other than opinion, provided you played none of the three at a remotely high level so i suggest "sorry, it's true" should be rephrased to "sorry, i think it's true based on X" and then we can debate X because as of right now, you are definitely wrong. For someone who steps in and lectures me on debate tactics and formalities, coming in and saying I'm wrong without a "because" of your own, pretty much makes you a hypocrite. And I'd love to talk to either of you in PMs, I don't want to crap on this thread like you would like to. But neither of you has made it to that step yet. HoN gets more variety into the picks, all 3 different styles of game have been succesfully achieved (heavy farm-carry based, Gank-heavy style, Push heavy style), there's much more variety in the heros picked when compared to DotA. So in terms of more skill being needed, there's inherently more variety in high level HoN, which insinuates more knowledge and skill being required. Several of the items were better balanced, making some of the useless ones from DotA really have solid roles (Hand of Midas --> alch bones comes to mind as a recent example), you see much more variety in the items picks, all 5 different types of boots get selected often for a concrete example, striders being brought in makes heavy support roles much more skill-oriented. But really, I'm not going to sit here and list all the small differences that make HoN more varied and demanding than DotA, if you want to talk, take it to PMs. The fact you can even think HoN can have "a far" greater skill level when the games are relatively similar is crazy. 1. The viable hero pool in dota is larger than HoNs. HoN has 75 heroes in total, in ONE 2010 Dota tournament (SMM) 72 unique heroes were picked. Hmmm. Source.2. Have you ever played support for a good team in dota? There's a lot more to it than buying wards and placing them. 3. Dota is played a lot more and a lot higher level both in EU and in Asia. Have you even seen the Chinese dota scene? And as Judicator said, basing your opinions on a old version of dota that you played a bit and a game you currently play and follow is just amazingly dumb. Hilarious. I don't think anyone in this thread is capable of even getting through my post, no one seems to have read it, at all. Across 4 times I've been quoted, 2 of the points I have made have been addressed, and only 1 successfully. Congrats, you've countered 1 of my 9 points. Well done! Also, I posted my MMR because someone basically said that I "tried" it and didn't have much experience in it. I'm not a braggart, nor do I think my MMR itself validates my opinion I already knew I wouldn't convince anyone to change their opinion, you love DotA, and you hate to see a game take everything great about it, and get rid of so many bad parts of the game. I love DotA too guys. I love it too. My favorite parts of your hilarious flailing against my point of view: 1) telling me how hard ward whoring is (completely off-topic and a perfect exhibition of inability to read before blathering) 2) Calling me an A-hole scrub because someone asking for the level of my ingame experience and me giving it to them 3) Showing me a list of heros picked in DotA, and once again using the fact that DotA has more heroes total as evidence that it takes more skill. 4) Posting that "quantity < quality" point completely invalidates everything you've posted. Thank you for letting me know exactly how little you know about HoN and matchmaking, nothing. I took the time to play both games before flailing, could you be so kind?  idiot. I'm sorry, but you guys missed the mark. If you want to get trashed by this scrub in either game, hit me up! Oh wait, I don't think any of you have the MMR to run into me in HoN. see, I can be petty and infantile too! Edit: adding to the list of hilarious flailing against my posts, sorry there was just too much Not as hilarious as your inability to defend your original claims. Notice how nobody is even attempting to support your claims for you...1743 MMR is good bro, as good as those DXD players... Like I said, you are avoiding specifics completely, just made some claims then couldn't back them up when pressed for it. Specifics > generalities, basic argument making dude
HoN gets more variety into the picks, all 3 different styles of game have been succesfully achieved (heavy farm-carry based, Gank-heavy style, Push heavy style), there's much more variety in the heros picked when compared to DotA. So in terms of more skill being needed, there's inherently more variety in high level HoN, which insinuates more knowledge and skill being required.
Several of the items were better balanced, making some of the useless ones from DotA really have solid roles (Hand of Midas --> alch bones comes to mind as a recent example), you see much more variety in the items picks, all 5 different types of boots get selected often for a concrete example, striders being brought in makes heavy support roles much more skill-oriented.
Reposted because you said I don't mention specifics.
I'm not going to argue with you if you refuse to read.
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On March 17 2011 23:09 Rakanishu2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 13:24 Judicator wrote:On March 17 2011 13:08 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 17 2011 11:48 Goshawk. wrote:On March 16 2011 06:50 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 15 2011 06:23 JeeJee wrote:On March 15 2011 05:10 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:30 Firereaver wrote:On March 11 2011 09:02 Rakanishu2 wrote:
From someone who played all three extensively, HoN requires the most knowledge and skill, by far. LOOOOOOOOOOLololololol. HoN requires more knowledge and skill than DotA!????! Seriously just quit plaing straightaway if you think so. Please spectate some professional DotA and then see if you can tolerate any professional HoN ! Also while you're at it, you have all the freedom to stop spouting BS like that! Sorry, it's true. before you reply: take it to PMs, I'm not going to argue with you in public when that's the way you address posts. how can it be unequivocally true? you certainly didn't do any studies on it and i seriously doubt 'playing all three extensively' constitutes anything other than opinion, provided you played none of the three at a remotely high level so i suggest "sorry, it's true" should be rephrased to "sorry, i think it's true based on X" and then we can debate X because as of right now, you are definitely wrong. For someone who steps in and lectures me on debate tactics and formalities, coming in and saying I'm wrong without a "because" of your own, pretty much makes you a hypocrite. And I'd love to talk to either of you in PMs, I don't want to crap on this thread like you would like to. But neither of you has made it to that step yet. HoN gets more variety into the picks, all 3 different styles of game have been succesfully achieved (heavy farm-carry based, Gank-heavy style, Push heavy style), there's much more variety in the heros picked when compared to DotA. So in terms of more skill being needed, there's inherently more variety in high level HoN, which insinuates more knowledge and skill being required. Several of the items were better balanced, making some of the useless ones from DotA really have solid roles (Hand of Midas --> alch bones comes to mind as a recent example), you see much more variety in the items picks, all 5 different types of boots get selected often for a concrete example, striders being brought in makes heavy support roles much more skill-oriented. But really, I'm not going to sit here and list all the small differences that make HoN more varied and demanding than DotA, if you want to talk, take it to PMs. The fact you can even think HoN can have "a far" greater skill level when the games are relatively similar is crazy. 1. The viable hero pool in dota is larger than HoNs. HoN has 75 heroes in total, in ONE 2010 Dota tournament (SMM) 72 unique heroes were picked. Hmmm. Source.2. Have you ever played support for a good team in dota? There's a lot more to it than buying wards and placing them. 3. Dota is played a lot more and a lot higher level both in EU and in Asia. Have you even seen the Chinese dota scene? And as Judicator said, basing your opinions on a old version of dota that you played a bit and a game you currently play and follow is just amazingly dumb. Hilarious. I don't think anyone in this thread is capable of even getting through my post, no one seems to have read it, at all. Across 4 times I've been quoted, 2 of the points I have made have been addressed, and only 1 successfully. Congrats, you've countered 1 of my 9 points. Well done! Also, I posted my MMR because someone basically said that I "tried" it and didn't have much experience in it. I'm not a braggart, nor do I think my MMR itself validates my opinion I already knew I wouldn't convince anyone to change their opinion, you love DotA, and you hate to see a game take everything great about it, and get rid of so many bad parts of the game. I love DotA too guys. I love it too. My favorite parts of your hilarious flailing against my point of view: 1) telling me how hard ward whoring is (completely off-topic and a perfect exhibition of inability to read before blathering) 2) Calling me an A-hole scrub because someone asking for the level of my ingame experience and me giving it to them 3) Showing me a list of heros picked in DotA, and once again using the fact that DotA has more heroes total as evidence that it takes more skill. 4) Posting that "quantity < quality" point completely invalidates everything you've posted. Thank you for letting me know exactly how little you know about HoN and matchmaking, nothing. I took the time to play both games before flailing, could you be so kind? idiot. I'm sorry, but you guys missed the mark. If you want to get trashed by this scrub in either game, hit me up! Oh wait, I don't think any of you have the MMR to run into me in HoN. see, I can be petty and infantile too! Edit: adding to the list of hilarious flailing against my posts, sorry there was just too much Not as hilarious as your inability to defend your original claims. Notice how nobody is even attempting to support your claims for you...1743 MMR is good bro, as good as those DXD players... Like I said, you are avoiding specifics completely, just made some claims then couldn't back them up when pressed for it. Specifics > generalities, basic argument making dude HoN gets more variety into the picks, all 3 different styles of game have been succesfully achieved (heavy farm-carry based, Gank-heavy style, Push heavy style), there's much more variety in the heros picked when compared to DotA. So in terms of more skill being needed, there's inherently more variety in high level HoN, which insinuates more knowledge and skill being required. Several of the items were better balanced, making some of the useless ones from DotA really have solid roles (Hand of Midas --> alch bones comes to mind as a recent example), you see much more variety in the items picks, all 5 different types of boots get selected often for a concrete example, striders being brought in makes heavy support roles much more skill-oriented. Reposted because you said I don't mention specifics. I'm not going to argue with you if you refuse to read.
The reason why nobody acknowledged your points is because they're all flat-out wrong.
There are not just 3 specific styles set in stone. If you've watched any high level DotA matches within the past year you'd know that most successful teams have very organic play. There's no reason why (with good team composition) you can't have a hard carry farming non-stop AND down towers before the 10min mark AND pull off necessary ganks. This happens all the time when the stronger teams come out to play.
The much-maligned single carry focus turtle-style is used by like 2 or so Chinese teams and I imagine that's just because their carry players are so damned good at farming. A morphling with 3-4 tier 4 items by 30min is a lot safer to bank on then your risky early push and gank strats, and that's what pro teams care about: winning. Even then, many Chinese teams incorporate aggressive gank and pushing styles, especially in series.
If you look to SEA and European play you'll find all the ganking and pushing you want. Go watch a Filipino game and you'll find more aggression and higher ganking + pushing tempo than any HoN game I've seen.
Your point about hero variety has already been refuted. The metagame is not static and a huge number of heroes have gone in and out of fashion over time. Just the last SMM and you can see the amount of experimentation and strategic picks is considerable in DotA.
Phase boots, arcane boots, power treads all see their fair share of competitive usage, and travels don't see any more use in HoN than they do in DotA. Read rabidch's post again and you'll see that the number of items that are never used is completely comparable to HoN.
If you look at the competitive HoN scene, it's very telling when the pioneering team, FnaticMSI, made its name by adopting hero, item, laning combinations and strategies from competitive DotA.
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all 3 different styles of game have been succesfully achieved (heavy farm-carry based, Gank-heavy style, Push heavy style),
You do realise that these 3 styles were developed long before HoN was released, so by default they were viable at some point (or still are viable) in dota?
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On March 17 2011 23:09 Rakanishu2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 13:24 Judicator wrote:On March 17 2011 13:08 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 17 2011 11:48 Goshawk. wrote:On March 16 2011 06:50 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 15 2011 06:23 JeeJee wrote:On March 15 2011 05:10 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:30 Firereaver wrote:On March 11 2011 09:02 Rakanishu2 wrote:
From someone who played all three extensively, HoN requires the most knowledge and skill, by far. LOOOOOOOOOOLololololol. HoN requires more knowledge and skill than DotA!????! Seriously just quit plaing straightaway if you think so. Please spectate some professional DotA and then see if you can tolerate any professional HoN ! Also while you're at it, you have all the freedom to stop spouting BS like that! Sorry, it's true. before you reply: take it to PMs, I'm not going to argue with you in public when that's the way you address posts. how can it be unequivocally true? you certainly didn't do any studies on it and i seriously doubt 'playing all three extensively' constitutes anything other than opinion, provided you played none of the three at a remotely high level so i suggest "sorry, it's true" should be rephrased to "sorry, i think it's true based on X" and then we can debate X because as of right now, you are definitely wrong. For someone who steps in and lectures me on debate tactics and formalities, coming in and saying I'm wrong without a "because" of your own, pretty much makes you a hypocrite. And I'd love to talk to either of you in PMs, I don't want to crap on this thread like you would like to. But neither of you has made it to that step yet. HoN gets more variety into the picks, all 3 different styles of game have been succesfully achieved (heavy farm-carry based, Gank-heavy style, Push heavy style), there's much more variety in the heros picked when compared to DotA. So in terms of more skill being needed, there's inherently more variety in high level HoN, which insinuates more knowledge and skill being required. Several of the items were better balanced, making some of the useless ones from DotA really have solid roles (Hand of Midas --> alch bones comes to mind as a recent example), you see much more variety in the items picks, all 5 different types of boots get selected often for a concrete example, striders being brought in makes heavy support roles much more skill-oriented. But really, I'm not going to sit here and list all the small differences that make HoN more varied and demanding than DotA, if you want to talk, take it to PMs. The fact you can even think HoN can have "a far" greater skill level when the games are relatively similar is crazy. 1. The viable hero pool in dota is larger than HoNs. HoN has 75 heroes in total, in ONE 2010 Dota tournament (SMM) 72 unique heroes were picked. Hmmm. Source.2. Have you ever played support for a good team in dota? There's a lot more to it than buying wards and placing them. 3. Dota is played a lot more and a lot higher level both in EU and in Asia. Have you even seen the Chinese dota scene? And as Judicator said, basing your opinions on a old version of dota that you played a bit and a game you currently play and follow is just amazingly dumb. Hilarious. I don't think anyone in this thread is capable of even getting through my post, no one seems to have read it, at all. Across 4 times I've been quoted, 2 of the points I have made have been addressed, and only 1 successfully. Congrats, you've countered 1 of my 9 points. Well done! Also, I posted my MMR because someone basically said that I "tried" it and didn't have much experience in it. I'm not a braggart, nor do I think my MMR itself validates my opinion I already knew I wouldn't convince anyone to change their opinion, you love DotA, and you hate to see a game take everything great about it, and get rid of so many bad parts of the game. I love DotA too guys. I love it too. My favorite parts of your hilarious flailing against my point of view: 1) telling me how hard ward whoring is (completely off-topic and a perfect exhibition of inability to read before blathering) 2) Calling me an A-hole scrub because someone asking for the level of my ingame experience and me giving it to them 3) Showing me a list of heros picked in DotA, and once again using the fact that DotA has more heroes total as evidence that it takes more skill. 4) Posting that "quantity < quality" point completely invalidates everything you've posted. Thank you for letting me know exactly how little you know about HoN and matchmaking, nothing. I took the time to play both games before flailing, could you be so kind? idiot. I'm sorry, but you guys missed the mark. If you want to get trashed by this scrub in either game, hit me up! Oh wait, I don't think any of you have the MMR to run into me in HoN. see, I can be petty and infantile too! Edit: adding to the list of hilarious flailing against my posts, sorry there was just too much Not as hilarious as your inability to defend your original claims. Notice how nobody is even attempting to support your claims for you...1743 MMR is good bro, as good as those DXD players... Like I said, you are avoiding specifics completely, just made some claims then couldn't back them up when pressed for it. Specifics > generalities, basic argument making dude HoN gets more variety into the picks, all 3 different styles of game have been succesfully achieved (heavy farm-carry based, Gank-heavy style, Push heavy style), there's much more variety in the heros picked when compared to DotA. So in terms of more skill being needed, there's inherently more variety in high level HoN, which insinuates more knowledge and skill being required. Several of the items were better balanced, making some of the useless ones from DotA really have solid roles (Hand of Midas --> alch bones comes to mind as a recent example), you see much more variety in the items picks, all 5 different types of boots get selected often for a concrete example, striders being brought in makes heavy support roles much more skill-oriented. Reposted because you said I don't mention specifics. I'm not going to argue with you if you refuse to read.
the point about hero variety has been addressed several times already earlier, and i think quite well too.
can't comment on the items because i stopped playing dota (and started playing hon) before soul ring was even released.
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On March 17 2011 23:53 hideo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 23:09 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 17 2011 13:24 Judicator wrote:On March 17 2011 13:08 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 17 2011 11:48 Goshawk. wrote:On March 16 2011 06:50 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 15 2011 06:23 JeeJee wrote:On March 15 2011 05:10 Rakanishu2 wrote:On March 14 2011 06:30 Firereaver wrote:On March 11 2011 09:02 Rakanishu2 wrote:
From someone who played all three extensively, HoN requires the most knowledge and skill, by far. LOOOOOOOOOOLololololol. HoN requires more knowledge and skill than DotA!????! Seriously just quit plaing straightaway if you think so. Please spectate some professional DotA and then see if you can tolerate any professional HoN ! Also while you're at it, you have all the freedom to stop spouting BS like that! Sorry, it's true. before you reply: take it to PMs, I'm not going to argue with you in public when that's the way you address posts. how can it be unequivocally true? you certainly didn't do any studies on it and i seriously doubt 'playing all three extensively' constitutes anything other than opinion, provided you played none of the three at a remotely high level so i suggest "sorry, it's true" should be rephrased to "sorry, i think it's true based on X" and then we can debate X because as of right now, you are definitely wrong. For someone who steps in and lectures me on debate tactics and formalities, coming in and saying I'm wrong without a "because" of your own, pretty much makes you a hypocrite. And I'd love to talk to either of you in PMs, I don't want to crap on this thread like you would like to. But neither of you has made it to that step yet. HoN gets more variety into the picks, all 3 different styles of game have been succesfully achieved (heavy farm-carry based, Gank-heavy style, Push heavy style), there's much more variety in the heros picked when compared to DotA. So in terms of more skill being needed, there's inherently more variety in high level HoN, which insinuates more knowledge and skill being required. Several of the items were better balanced, making some of the useless ones from DotA really have solid roles (Hand of Midas --> alch bones comes to mind as a recent example), you see much more variety in the items picks, all 5 different types of boots get selected often for a concrete example, striders being brought in makes heavy support roles much more skill-oriented. But really, I'm not going to sit here and list all the small differences that make HoN more varied and demanding than DotA, if you want to talk, take it to PMs. The fact you can even think HoN can have "a far" greater skill level when the games are relatively similar is crazy. 1. The viable hero pool in dota is larger than HoNs. HoN has 75 heroes in total, in ONE 2010 Dota tournament (SMM) 72 unique heroes were picked. Hmmm. Source.2. Have you ever played support for a good team in dota? There's a lot more to it than buying wards and placing them. 3. Dota is played a lot more and a lot higher level both in EU and in Asia. Have you even seen the Chinese dota scene? And as Judicator said, basing your opinions on a old version of dota that you played a bit and a game you currently play and follow is just amazingly dumb. Hilarious. I don't think anyone in this thread is capable of even getting through my post, no one seems to have read it, at all. Across 4 times I've been quoted, 2 of the points I have made have been addressed, and only 1 successfully. Congrats, you've countered 1 of my 9 points. Well done! Also, I posted my MMR because someone basically said that I "tried" it and didn't have much experience in it. I'm not a braggart, nor do I think my MMR itself validates my opinion I already knew I wouldn't convince anyone to change their opinion, you love DotA, and you hate to see a game take everything great about it, and get rid of so many bad parts of the game. I love DotA too guys. I love it too. My favorite parts of your hilarious flailing against my point of view: 1) telling me how hard ward whoring is (completely off-topic and a perfect exhibition of inability to read before blathering) 2) Calling me an A-hole scrub because someone asking for the level of my ingame experience and me giving it to them 3) Showing me a list of heros picked in DotA, and once again using the fact that DotA has more heroes total as evidence that it takes more skill. 4) Posting that "quantity < quality" point completely invalidates everything you've posted. Thank you for letting me know exactly how little you know about HoN and matchmaking, nothing. I took the time to play both games before flailing, could you be so kind? idiot. I'm sorry, but you guys missed the mark. If you want to get trashed by this scrub in either game, hit me up! Oh wait, I don't think any of you have the MMR to run into me in HoN. see, I can be petty and infantile too! Edit: adding to the list of hilarious flailing against my posts, sorry there was just too much Not as hilarious as your inability to defend your original claims. Notice how nobody is even attempting to support your claims for you...1743 MMR is good bro, as good as those DXD players... Like I said, you are avoiding specifics completely, just made some claims then couldn't back them up when pressed for it. Specifics > generalities, basic argument making dude HoN gets more variety into the picks, all 3 different styles of game have been succesfully achieved (heavy farm-carry based, Gank-heavy style, Push heavy style), there's much more variety in the heros picked when compared to DotA. So in terms of more skill being needed, there's inherently more variety in high level HoN, which insinuates more knowledge and skill being required. Several of the items were better balanced, making some of the useless ones from DotA really have solid roles (Hand of Midas --> alch bones comes to mind as a recent example), you see much more variety in the items picks, all 5 different types of boots get selected often for a concrete example, striders being brought in makes heavy support roles much more skill-oriented. Reposted because you said I don't mention specifics. I'm not going to argue with you if you refuse to read. The reason why nobody acknowledged your points is because they're all flat-out wrong. There are not just 3 specific styles set in stone. If you've watched any high level DotA matches within the past year you'd know that most successful teams have very organic play. There's no reason why (with good team composition) you can't have a hard carry farming non-stop AND down towers before the 10min mark AND pull off necessary ganks. This happens all the time when the stronger teams come out to play. The much-maligned single carry focus turtle-style is used by like 2 or so Chinese teams and I imagine that's just because their carry players are so damned good at farming. A morphling with 3-4 tier 4 items by 30min is a lot safer to bank on then your risky early push and gank strats, and that's what pro teams care about: winning. Even then, many Chinese teams incorporate aggressive gank and pushing styles, especially in series. If you look to SEA and European play you'll find all the ganking and pushing you want. Go watch a Filipino game and you'll find more aggression and higher ganking + pushing tempo than any HoN game I've seen. Your point about hero variety has already been refuted. The metagame is not static and a huge number of heroes have gone in and out of fashion over time. Just the last SMM and you can see the amount of experimentation and strategic picks is considerable in DotA. Phase boots, arcane boots, power treads all see their fair share of competitive usage, and travels don't see any more use in HoN than they do in DotA. Read rabidch's post again and you'll see that the number of items that are never used is completely comparable to HoN. If you look at the competitive HoN scene, it's very telling when the pioneering team, FnaticMSI, made its name by adopting hero, item, laning combinations and strategies from competitive DotA.
I didn't say that teams pigeon-holed themselves to one of those three style, I simply said that all three styles come into play in HoN, unlike high-level DotA, where I would say there just isn't as much ganking or pushing.
Look, you can tell me DotA is organic and requires alot of skill, it does, DotA is very high level and strategic. But HoN chiseled out some of the problems in DotA that caused skill ceilings. I already know I won't convince you, you're just going to have to get to a decent MMR in HoN and see it for yourself.
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yo so this argument is retarded and boring, just stop imo.
rabid how often do u doter now? i've been thinking about playing again.
on an unrelated note, i got that gas chamber video rabid, u should check it out. if you go to 8:03 i'm on the left side haha
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Seriously this DOTA vs HON discussion is totally pointless. Newsflash HoN and Dota are different games. Both have their own issues and neither side will ever convince the other that their's is better.
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Huk is playing HoN on his stream with kelly lol.
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[QUOTE]On March 18 2011 01:37 Nitrogen wrote:
yo so this argument is retarded and boring, just stop imo.
rabid how often do u doter now? i've been thinking about playing again.
on an unrelated note, i got that gas chamber video rabid, u should check it out. if you go to 8:03 i'm on the left side haha
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you're not just thinking about playing, we are playing this weekend fgt
edit: never posting from my phone again, fcking quoting
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Wait, wasn't Kelly supposed to be a DotA commentator?
Why is she asking what items to get. =/
Also, Huk needs to chill out.
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On March 18 2011 02:36 Klimpen wrote:
Wait, wasn't Kelly supposed to be a DotA commentator?
Why is she asking what items to get. =/
Also, Huk needs to chill out.
Yes she was, and to the other question - no, this is hilarious.
In other news "idra is terrible".
Edit: HuK's gonna take a break from sc2
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lol stop arguing with rakanishu he has to be trolling
all of his conclusions come from two assumptions that were already empirically proven wrong: 1) that there's more hero variety in hon and 2) that there's more item variety in hon
given wrong assumptions it follows that any conclusions he makes are also wrong
logic 101 folks
p.s. lol @ 1734 being decent psr. one of my accounts is 1770 with a 92% winrate over the last 25 games and all i did was fuck around going shit like lothars on legio with a buddy or 2, yeah real competition there brah
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On March 18 2011 02:41 JeeJee wrote:
lol stop arguing with rakanishu he has to be trolling
all of his conclusions come from two assumptions that were already empirically proven wrong: 1) that there's more hero variety in hon and 2) that there's more item variety in hon
given wrong assumptions it follows that any conclusions he makes are also wrong
logic 101 folks
p.s. lol @ 1734 being decent psr. one of my accounts is 1770 with a 92% winrate over the last 25 games and all i did was fuck around going shit like lothars on legio with a buddy or 2, yeah real competition there brah
mmr jeejeechan
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On March 18 2011 02:41 JeeJee wrote:
lol stop arguing with rakanishu he has to be trolling
all of his conclusions come from two assumptions that were already empirically proven wrong: 1) that there's more hero variety in hon and 2) that there's more item variety in hon
given wrong assumptions it follows that any conclusions he makes are also wrong
logic 101 folks
p.s. lol @ 1734 being decent psr. one of my accounts is 1770 with a 92% winrate over the last 25 games and all i did was fuck around going shit like lothars on legio with a buddy or 2, yeah real competition there brah
MMR, not PSR.
And prove it.
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On March 18 2011 02:41 JeeJee wrote:
lol stop arguing with rakanishu he has to be trolling
all of his conclusions come from two assumptions that were already empirically proven wrong: 1) that there's more hero variety in hon and 2) that there's more item variety in hon
given wrong assumptions it follows that any conclusions he makes are also wrong
logic 101 folks
p.s. lol @ 1734 being decent psr. one of my accounts is 1770 with a 92% winrate over the last 25 games and all i did was fuck around going shit like lothars on legio with a buddy or 2, yeah real competition there brah
Hows that Ghost Scepter on Axe doing for you bruh?
This argument is pointless, DotA2 will blow HoN out of the water. In less than a year it's going to be like lul HoN? DotA? WUTDOTA2!. 100$ paypal says DotA2 doubles the amount of players HoN has in...let's say, the first month. No wait, I'll be a sport, 200$ if you win, 100$ if I win. Icing on the cake, if Metacritic shows that DotA2 is lower than HoN I'll do the same bet. 400$ if HoN wins in both reviews and popularity in the first month.
Shinbilicious wants in too so you can be him as well. FREE MONEY YO.
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On March 18 2011 02:41 JeeJee wrote:
lol stop arguing with rakanishu he has to be trolling
all of his conclusions come from two assumptions that were already empirically proven wrong: 1) that there's more hero variety in hon and 2) that there's more item variety in hon
given wrong assumptions it follows that any conclusions he makes are also wrong
logic 101 folks
p.s. lol @ 1734 being decent psr. one of my accounts is 1770 with a 92% winrate over the last 25 games and all i did was fuck around going shit like lothars on legio with a buddy or 2, yeah real competition there brah
From a strict logical standpoint, when somebody makes an argument P -> Q and you prove that P is false, you do not immediately get the converse notP -> notQ.
For example: if you are in heaven (P) then you have died (Q). On the other hand, if you are not in heaven, that doesn't mean you're not dead. You could very well be in hell!
So basically your statement that "given wrong assumptions it follow that any conclusions he makes are also wrong" is not correct. A better statement is "given wrong assumptions it follow that any conclusions he makes are not necessarily correct."
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On March 18 2011 03:09 [TYG]Transcend wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 02:41 JeeJee wrote:
lol stop arguing with rakanishu he has to be trolling
all of his conclusions come from two assumptions that were already empirically proven wrong: 1) that there's more hero variety in hon and 2) that there's more item variety in hon
given wrong assumptions it follows that any conclusions he makes are also wrong
logic 101 folks
p.s. lol @ 1734 being decent psr. one of my accounts is 1770 with a 92% winrate over the last 25 games and all i did was fuck around going shit like lothars on legio with a buddy or 2, yeah real competition there brah Hows that Ghost Scepter on Axe doing for you bruh? This argument is pointless, DotA2 will blow HoN out of the water. In less than a year it's going to be like lul HoN? DotA? WUTDOTA2!. 100$ paypal says DotA2 doubles the amount of players HoN has in...let's say, the first month. No wait, I'll be a sport, 200$ if you win, 100$ if I win. Icing on the cake, if Metacritic shows that DotA2 is lower than HoN I'll do the same bet. 400$ if HoN wins in both reviews and popularity in the first month. Shinbilicious wants in too so you can be him as well. FREE MONEY YO.
I think DotA 2 will be awesome.
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