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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
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On March 17 2011 07:39 Alventenie wrote: Hmm, riki with invis at level 3 + non channeling chaos ward at level 6 Edit: Secret hero that can only be randomed? The terminator or something? EDIT2: SHINBI IS AN IDIOT LOL | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On March 17 2011 07:39 Alventenie wrote: Hmm, riki with invis at level 3 + non channeling chaos ward at level 6 Was this icefrog? Was fanadin icefrog? I don't think they are, but I'm not sure can't remember that far back. I thought riki with death ward was during ROC? | ||
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
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Rakanishu2
United States475 Posts
On March 16 2011 08:13 Judicator wrote: Rakanishu2's post can be summed up as: Hi I haven't paid too close attention to either HoN or DotA but I'll try to compare them using some flimsy logic and arguments that sounds right in my head and spit them out there as fact. There's no debate because I can simply rattle off all of the popular strategies and heroes since 6.27...OH WAIT I ALREADY DID. I played alot of DotA back in it's hay, and I have 1734 MMR normal mode in HoN. I still play HoN regularly. | ||
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Rakanishu2
United States475 Posts
1) I wanted to take this to PMs because I didn't want to crap on the thread, wait, I already typed that, you've failed to read. Surprising. Oh well, continue thread-crapping. 2) Support all using striders helps dynamic gameplay. being a ward-whore and nothing more dumbs down 1-2 players on the teams gameplay variety, and the amount of skill they can put into their play. Is that logic sound enough for you? Or do I need to break things down even more systematically for you to understand any point I make? Since you enjoy making and breaking the rules of debate, here's one for you, finish this statement: "striders lower the skill ceiling in HoN because of A), B) C)." I'm pretty sure this is not how you will approach your reply, instead opting for childish replies, dodges, etc. 3) The hand of midas change has been around for atleast 2-3 weeks. And it was just an example of one of many changes that have occurred to take items previously useless, and making them worthy of high-level play. You provoking me to list examples, and then you saying, "4-5 examples isn't good enough" is very sub-par argumentative strategy. How about some counter-examples? Examples of how dota requires more skill? You've provided none of those. 4) Heroes pick varies much more in high level HoN. There are scarce few heroes that do not have a few wins under their belts in all the major tournaments. There are more heroes in DotA, that doesn't mean there aren't a few that were head and shoulders above others, and a few that were complete cellar-dwellers. Go ahead and go into the numbers, I dare you to actually bring evidence of your own into an argument rather than just trying (read: failing) to discredit mine. | ||
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Rakanishu2
United States475 Posts
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:54 Rakanishu2 wrote: I played alot of DotA back in it's hay, and I have 1734 MMR normal mode in HoN. I still play HoN regularly. I am 1734 MMR in nomral moed i am jsutfied to say hoN>doTa bcuz i am 1734 mean i have pro skiLLz dat kiLLz0r & i have a over 9000 iq when it comes to understanding the metagame | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:54 Rakanishu2 wrote: I played alot of DotA back in it's hay, and I have 1734 MMR normal mode in HoN. I still play HoN regularly. Rofl. Because quantity means quality right? What are you going to do next? Pull up your TDA and DXD game counts? Or the last 2 seasons of CAL-I? There's a term for people like you, a scrub, people who think they know, but don't have a clue. Get it through your head, you're comparing two games across different cycles of development both by the community and the developer(s). Let's name the heroes that have been played extensively in a major, (Cal season 1 or 2 Finals, F4F, Pride, Prime Nations, Asus, etc.) since 6.27 LM in DotA: + Show Spoiler + QoP SF CM Void Both SKs Krob ES KotL Spec Atropos PL SA Tinker Lina Lesh Warlock Enigma Both BMs DK VS Mag Tide Invoker Viper TB Lich Clinkz Axe PotM Luna TA Sniper Morph WD Enchant THD Veno Chen Kunkka Omni Sven Cent Tiny Drow Rhasta Necro Visage Lion Pugna Zeus .... Do you want me to go on? Do you want me to list the specific versions that used those heroes? The players/teams noted for playing those heroes? The strategies for applying those heroes? Why those heroes were picked and banned so consistently through out the many iterations of DotA? You really want to draw conclusions based on how many iterations of HoN since it's official release? As for your playing support argument, rofl. Ward bitch is easy, lol, that's a popular misconception from the 27 and 52e days. And the items argument is hilarious. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On March 17 2011 11:01 OmgIRok wrote: I am 1734 MMR in nomral moed i am jsutfied to say hoN>doTa bcuz i am 1734 mean i have pro skiLLz dat kiLLz0r & i have a over 9000 iq when it comes to understanding the metagame  wheres that videoyou arent taking a "crap on this thread" because this thread gets crapped on with pointless posts all the time (ITS FRIDAY LOL), in fact this is actual quality posting because we're actually discussing the games edit: the only posts i can really take 100% seriously are alvs | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:05 Ack1027 wrote: Was this icefrog? Was fanadin icefrog? I don't think they are, but I'm not sure can't remember that far back. I thought riki with death ward was during ROC? fanadin wasnt icefrog, was guinsoo 5.36 where fanadin could 1v5 heroes (except imba omniknight) because his ultimate did more damage than stated iirc guinsoo stopped being head after 5.84b (c was a hacked version) but still had some dev influence | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
On March 16 2011 06:50 Rakanishu2 wrote: For someone who steps in and lectures me on debate tactics and formalities, coming in and saying I'm wrong without a "because" of your own, pretty much makes you a hypocrite. And I'd love to talk to either of you in PMs, I don't want to crap on this thread like you would like to. But neither of you has made it to that step yet. HoN gets more variety into the picks, all 3 different styles of game have been succesfully achieved (heavy farm-carry based, Gank-heavy style, Push heavy style), there's much more variety in the heros picked when compared to DotA. So in terms of more skill being needed, there's inherently more variety in high level HoN, which insinuates more knowledge and skill being required. Several of the items were better balanced, making some of the useless ones from DotA really have solid roles (Hand of Midas --> alch bones comes to mind as a recent example), you see much more variety in the items picks, all 5 different types of boots get selected often for a concrete example, striders being brought in makes heavy support roles much more skill-oriented. But really, I'm not going to sit here and list all the small differences that make HoN more varied and demanding than DotA, if you want to talk, take it to PMs. The fact you can even think HoN can have "a far" greater skill level when the games are relatively similar is crazy. 1. The viable hero pool in dota is larger than HoNs. HoN has 75 heroes in total, in ONE 2010 Dota tournament (SMM) 72 unique heroes were picked. Hmmm. Source. 2. Have you ever played support for a good team in dota? There's a lot more to it than buying wards and placing them. 3. Dota is played a lot more and a lot higher level both in EU and in Asia. Have you even seen the Chinese dota scene? And as Judicator said, basing your opinions on a old version of dota that you played a bit and a game you currently play and follow is just amazingly dumb. | ||
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
On March 17 2011 11:23 rabidch wrote: fanadin wasnt icefrog, was guinsoo 5.36 where fanadin could 1v5 heroes (except imba omniknight) because his ultimate did more damage than stated I remember my first dota pubs had fucking old pudge + fanadins everywhere (probably post bug ult) Pretty sure that his ult got changed into some AoE meteor nuke shit, but at least liquid fire worked on towers for that IMBA 8 dps. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
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Rakanishu2
United States475 Posts
On March 17 2011 11:48 Goshawk. wrote: The fact you can even think HoN can have "a far" greater skill level when the games are relatively similar is crazy. 1. The viable hero pool in dota is larger than HoNs. HoN has 75 heroes in total, in ONE 2010 Dota tournament (SMM) 72 unique heroes were picked. Hmmm. Source. 2. Have you ever played support for a good team in dota? There's a lot more to it than buying wards and placing them. 3. Dota is played a lot more and a lot higher level both in EU and in Asia. Have you even seen the Chinese dota scene? And as Judicator said, basing your opinions on a old version of dota that you played a bit and a game you currently play and follow is just amazingly dumb. Hilarious. I don't think anyone in this thread is capable of even getting through my post, no one seems to have read it, at all. Across 4 times I've been quoted, 2 of the points I have made have been addressed, and only 1 successfully. Congrats, you've countered 1 of my 9 points. Well done! Also, I posted my MMR because someone basically said that I "tried" it and didn't have much experience in it. I'm not a braggart, nor do I think my MMR itself validates my opinion I already knew I wouldn't convince anyone to change their opinion, you love DotA, and you hate to see a game take everything great about it, and get rid of so many bad parts of the game. I love DotA too guys. I love it too. My favorite parts of your hilarious flailing against my point of view: 1) telling me how hard ward whoring is (completely off-topic and a perfect exhibition of inability to read before blathering) 2) Calling me an A-hole scrub because someone asking for the level of my ingame experience and me giving it to them 3) Showing me a list of heros picked in DotA, and once again using the fact that DotA has more heroes total as evidence that it takes more skill. 4) Posting that "quantity < quality" point completely invalidates everything you've posted. Thank you for letting me know exactly how little you know about HoN and matchmaking, nothing. I took the time to play both games before flailing, could you be so kind? idiot.I'm sorry, but you guys missed the mark. If you want to get trashed by this scrub in either game, hit me up! Oh wait, I don't think any of you have the MMR to run into me in HoN. see, I can be petty and infantile too!Edit: adding to the list of hilarious flailing against my posts, sorry there was just too much | ||
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Rakanishu2
United States475 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On March 17 2011 13:08 Rakanishu2 wrote: Hilarious. I don't think anyone in this thread is capable of even getting through my post, no one seems to have read it, at all. Across 4 times I've been quoted, 2 of the points I have made have been addressed, and only 1 successfully. Congrats, you've countered 1 of my 9 points. Well done! Also, I posted my MMR because someone basically said that I "tried" it and didn't have much experience in it. I'm not a braggart, nor do I think my MMR itself validates my opinion I already knew I wouldn't convince anyone to change their opinion, you love DotA, and you hate to see a game take everything great about it, and get rid of so many bad parts of the game. I love DotA too guys. I love it too. My favorite parts of your hilarious flailing against my point of view: 1) telling me how hard ward whoring is (completely off-topic and a perfect exhibition of inability to read before blathering) 2) Calling me an A-hole scrub because someone asking for the level of my ingame experience and me giving it to them 3) Showing me a list of heros picked in DotA, and once again using the fact that DotA has more heroes total as evidence that it takes more skill. 4) Posting that "quantity < quality" point completely invalidates everything you've posted. Thank you for letting me know exactly how little you know about HoN and matchmaking, nothing. I took the time to play both games before flailing, could you be so kind? idiot.I'm sorry, but you guys missed the mark. If you want to get trashed by this scrub in either game, hit me up! Oh wait, I don't think any of you have the MMR to run into me in HoN. see, I can be petty and infantile too!Edit: adding to the list of hilarious flailing against my posts, sorry there was just too much Not as hilarious as your inability to defend your original claims. Notice how nobody is even attempting to support your claims for you...1743 MMR is good bro, as good as those DXD players... Like I said, you are avoiding specifics completely, just made some claims then couldn't back them up when pressed for it. Specifics > generalities, basic argument making dude | ||
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