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Jaug
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden249 Posts
March 13 2011 10:50 GMT
#23901
Could some stats wiz figure out how bad a hero that has 42% win rate overall is?

I mean if a hero only wins 42% that could mean you only win when the team wins game for you.

I'm thinking of quitting the game right away when I have one of these heroes in my team (~1700 MMR):

Madman: 45% winrate overall
Scout: 44% winrate overall
Balphagore: 42% winrate overall

Whenever I play a game with these heroes on my side it's a 4v5 3v5 etc depending on how many slots been taken by them.
StallingHard
Profile Joined February 2011
144 Posts
March 13 2011 11:54 GMT
#23902
On March 13 2011 19:50 Jaug wrote:
Could some stats wiz figure out how bad a hero that has 42% win rate overall is?

I mean if a hero only wins 42% that could mean you only win when the team wins game for you.

I'm thinking of quitting the game right away when I have one of these heroes in my team (~1700 MMR):

Madman: 45% winrate overall
Scout: 44% winrate overall
Balphagore: 42% winrate overall

Whenever I play a game with these heroes on my side it's a 4v5 3v5 etc depending on how many slots been taken by them.


Madman is one of (if not the) best hard carries in the game. Just because a hero has a bad win % doesn't mean the hero is bad. It simply means people can't play him. If invoker was ported right now I bet his win rate would be something absurdly low like 40%
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 13 2011 12:22 GMT
#23903
smoke of deceit = my new favorite item

omfg so fun
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 14:46:22
March 13 2011 14:44 GMT
#23904
On March 13 2011 19:11 anomalopidae wrote:
I believe that to only be able to double stack is a known and confirmed bug

It's not a bug. I already answered this question.

Edit: Also, you know what hero I rarely see? Fayde. http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/hero_use.php I see 70-75 way more often than her. Maybe it has to do with the level of game.
Wrath 2.1
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany880 Posts
March 13 2011 14:59 GMT
#23905
On March 13 2011 19:50 Jaug wrote:
Could some stats wiz figure out how bad a hero that has 42% win rate overall is?

I mean if a hero only wins 42% that could mean you only win when the team wins game for you.

I'm thinking of quitting the game right away when I have one of these heroes in my team (~1700 MMR):

Madman: 45% winrate overall
Scout: 44% winrate overall
Balphagore: 42% winrate overall

Whenever I play a game with these heroes on my side it's a 4v5 3v5 etc depending on how many slots been taken by them.


Pandamonium has a 41,9 % win , yet I think he's perfectly fine and very solid hero. Same with madman, In bp I ban him every time.
The carry with the highest win % is pesti with 52,4 %. followed by zephyr with 51,7.

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
DarkOptik
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 15:20:32
March 13 2011 15:20 GMT
#23906
Seeing as these stats include everything from competitive to 1300 PSR players, I really wouldn't use them for much of anything. Jereziah and Plague Rider for example have a whopping 58% win rate (highest out of any of the heroes), but are they hardly picked or banned in any competitive game. Pubs just don't know how to play against them, but that doesn't necessarily make them good/bad heroes.
buckbo1604
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada186 Posts
March 13 2011 16:56 GMT
#23907
On March 13 2011 14:36 GhostKorean wrote:
??? you mean you can only have 2 stacks? I interpreted it as you can stack it twice for a total of 3 stacks. I didn't know that, sorry
also, sc2 is soooooooo fun guys


crysis2.
iloveoil
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 20:04:32
March 13 2011 19:55 GMT
#23908
http://www.own3d.tv/MYM

germany vs sweden now ;; think its some us dota player casting? demon?

later usa playing methinks. i can stop posting this if you think im spamming btw

ye usa vs ukraine
bhp255
Profile Joined July 2008
United States600 Posts
March 13 2011 20:43 GMT
#23909
agreed, win percentages posted there are cumulative, so it rarely indicates what heroes are "best"

considering high-level competitive play (the most reliable way of determining whether a hero is "good" or not) is but the smallest minority of players in HoN, it would only play a negligible part in the computation of these win percentages
Following Okazaki's steps to becoming a Fuuko Master
anka
Profile Joined October 2010
46 Posts
March 13 2011 20:51 GMT
#23910
When I read the line "Let's Play" I always think of something accessible, easy to get into.
But HoN/DotA is far from that, lets do an anology/story. It will be devided into parts.

Part 1

Imagine yourself swimming in an ocean of piss, and from time to time you dive down to the bottom of the ocean to scoure the seabed for something usefull, thats about how pleasnt and thats how much you will understand of your first games. Then after you have done quite many dives down to the bottom of the ocean you finally find something, you pick it up, it has an ovalshaped top and a stick connected to the oval shape, you wonder what this is, you think of it for a while, and then suddenly you find land!
At this point you'v been swimming in an ocean of piss that is the start of playing HoN/dota and the Racquet you'v found on the bottom of the ocean will represent the understanding of the gameplay.

Part 2

You'v got ahold of it, but you dont really know what to do with it, its frustrating, you have this awesome thing and you really dont know what to do.
While you wander arround on the piece of dirt your on, and suddenly you find something red and round, you start to wonder, wonder if I can hit it with my raquet? You try, the red round thing gets smashed and falls to the ground as a red gooey thing, you find more red rounds things, lets call them tomates. After a while when you'v been hitting these tomates, you notice that the sun is gone and the clouds in the sky is gettin darker.
Now you'v have had some experiance with the gameplay (raquet) but you
dont really know what you'r doin, it might feel pointless, but atleast you'r gettin better at hittin those tomates and damn hard to.

Part 3

BEWARE - Shitstorm incoming.
The sky is gettin darker, and suddenly small pieces of something brown, gooey and smelly drops down from the sky, you wonder what this is. But you continue to wander arround and hittin tomates, while the shit if flying all over the place, hitting you in the face and beeing generally unpleasant, your starting to get angry, screaming at the shit, but you figure out its pointless, for obvious reasons, because it only replys variations of "noob". While you wander/run arround trying to find cover for the shit droppin from the sky, you stumble upon something yellow, round and bouncy, for a while you wonder, "what is this? And what do I do with it?", but then you try to hit it with you'r raquet, its amazing! What a discovery, you'r having such a fun time the shit droppin from the sky dont disturb you as much as before. After a while you'r really good at having the ball under controll, bouncin on the raquet as if this is nobodys bznz. Suddenly you hear a voice.

This part is focusing on the whine that will occur on lower levels, often without a purpose and often very harsh for someone whos learning the game, but since you'v found the missing half of you'r raquet, you'r gettin better at this thing, whatever it is.

Part 4

The voice is calling on you, you turn arround wondering where it came from, and there ins the distance you see a shadowy figure, you rush towards it, your totally coverd in shit when you get to this person, he greets you and notices you have a raquet and a ball, he picks up his own equipment, you both smile and whoner what whill happen. You get an awesome idea, that if you hit the ball in his direction he might be able to hit it back, and he does, but because of the severe shitstorm arround you, your having problems seeing the ball and hitting it back. You start to wonder if you might be able to build some kind of shelter. After a while the two of you find another person with the same equipment as you, and your plan gets in the work, a big area shelter is starting to arise, fianlly some cover from the shitstorm, adn during all this some more people come and go to play with you, your finally starting to enjoy this! This is fun!

This part is focusing on improving you'r gameplay and teamplay, your starting to improve, enjoying the game with some buddies, eventually you might be able to play on a real tenniscourt at the tip top level. This is where it shines, this is where HoN/DotA is!

I hope this wont discourage people from starting to play, but I promise you, in 99% of cases you'r story will be somewhat like this.

Also to lazy to look for typos and whatnot.


Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
March 13 2011 21:30 GMT
#23911
On March 11 2011 09:02 Rakanishu2 wrote:
From someone who played all three extensively, HoN requires the most knowledge and skill, by far.

LOOOOOOOOOOLololololol.
HoN requires more knowledge and skill than DotA!????!
Seriously just quit plaing straightaway if you think so. Please spectate some professional DotA and then see if you can tolerate any professional HoN !
Also while you're at it, you have all the freedom to stop spouting BS like that!
"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
March 13 2011 23:14 GMT
#23912
Results for the USA-Ukraine game-
+ Show Spoiler +
Did not expect USA to take those games so handily, well played all around.
(-_(-_(-_(^_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-) CJ Fighting! "Beer -> soju -> whisky is a terrible build"~~ Scrarecrow.
bhp255
Profile Joined July 2008
United States600 Posts
March 13 2011 23:53 GMT
#23913
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 14 2011 05:51 anka wrote:
When I read the line "Let's Play" I always think of something accessible, easy to get into.
But HoN/DotA is far from that, lets do an anology/story. It will be devided into parts.

Part 1

Imagine yourself swimming in an ocean of piss, and from time to time you dive down to the bottom of the ocean to scoure the seabed for something usefull, thats about how pleasnt and thats how much you will understand of your first games. Then after you have done quite many dives down to the bottom of the ocean you finally find something, you pick it up, it has an ovalshaped top and a stick connected to the oval shape, you wonder what this is, you think of it for a while, and then suddenly you find land!
At this point you'v been swimming in an ocean of piss that is the start of playing HoN/dota and the Racquet you'v found on the bottom of the ocean will represent the understanding of the gameplay.

Part 2

You'v got ahold of it, but you dont really know what to do with it, its frustrating, you have this awesome thing and you really dont know what to do.
While you wander arround on the piece of dirt your on, and suddenly you find something red and round, you start to wonder, wonder if I can hit it with my raquet? You try, the red round thing gets smashed and falls to the ground as a red gooey thing, you find more red rounds things, lets call them tomates. After a while when you'v been hitting these tomates, you notice that the sun is gone and the clouds in the sky is gettin darker.
Now you'v have had some experiance with the gameplay (raquet) but you
dont really know what you'r doin, it might feel pointless, but atleast you'r gettin better at hittin those tomates and damn hard to.

Part 3

BEWARE - Shitstorm incoming.
The sky is gettin darker, and suddenly small pieces of something brown, gooey and smelly drops down from the sky, you wonder what this is. But you continue to wander arround and hittin tomates, while the shit if flying all over the place, hitting you in the face and beeing generally unpleasant, your starting to get angry, screaming at the shit, but you figure out its pointless, for obvious reasons, because it only replys variations of "noob". While you wander/run arround trying to find cover for the shit droppin from the sky, you stumble upon something yellow, round and bouncy, for a while you wonder, "what is this? And what do I do with it?", but then you try to hit it with you'r raquet, its amazing! What a discovery, you'r having such a fun time the shit droppin from the sky dont disturb you as much as before. After a while you'r really good at having the ball under controll, bouncin on the raquet as if this is nobodys bznz. Suddenly you hear a voice.

This part is focusing on the whine that will occur on lower levels, often without a purpose and often very harsh for someone whos learning the game, but since you'v found the missing half of you'r raquet, you'r gettin better at this thing, whatever it is.

Part 4

The voice is calling on you, you turn arround wondering where it came from, and there ins the distance you see a shadowy figure, you rush towards it, your totally coverd in shit when you get to this person, he greets you and notices you have a raquet and a ball, he picks up his own equipment, you both smile and whoner what whill happen. You get an awesome idea, that if you hit the ball in his direction he might be able to hit it back, and he does, but because of the severe shitstorm arround you, your having problems seeing the ball and hitting it back. You start to wonder if you might be able to build some kind of shelter. After a while the two of you find another person with the same equipment as you, and your plan gets in the work, a big area shelter is starting to arise, fianlly some cover from the shitstorm, adn during all this some more people come and go to play with you, your finally starting to enjoy this! This is fun!

This part is focusing on improving you'r gameplay and teamplay, your starting to improve, enjoying the game with some buddies, eventually you might be able to play on a real tenniscourt at the tip top level. This is where it shines, this is where HoN/DotA is!

I hope this wont discourage people from starting to play, but I promise you, in 99% of cases you'r story will be somewhat like this.

Also to lazy to look for typos and whatnot.




omg, idk why but i actually read all of this
incredibly full of typos and... actually i dont think they're typos... its just random finger spasms?
hello -> typo = hwllo or hellp or helo, not
wonder -> whoner
your -> you'r
you're -> you'r

anyways, besides the painful spelling, story didnt really help at all, especially since u had to explain what each part of the story meant
also, its not always that bad... just find good people and play with them
thats how i went from being a random ubernoob pub (i'd say <1000 PSR) to.... playing with devaz/alv/riki/testie and being decent i guess :D
Following Okazaki's steps to becoming a Fuuko Master
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 14 2011 00:00 GMT
#23914
jesus christ
i challenge anyone to make it through this song


what the fuck
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
March 14 2011 00:24 GMT
#23915
On March 14 2011 09:00 JeeJee wrote:
jesus christ
i challenge anyone to make it through this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0

what the fuck

Tried. Failed.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
Glull
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Germany404 Posts
March 14 2011 00:34 GMT
#23916
was on the verge of reporting you

failed your challenge though, so your victory. :|
buckbo1604
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada186 Posts
March 14 2011 02:10 GMT
#23917
On March 14 2011 09:00 JeeJee wrote:
jesus christ
i challenge anyone to make it through this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0

what the fuck


couldnt do it..1:38 furthest i got.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 14 2011 02:11 GMT
#23918
Skipped to random part in the middle
insta stopped.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 14 2011 02:15 GMT
#23919
sounds like omgirok when he sings
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
March 14 2011 02:18 GMT
#23920
its funny how you can feel so embarrassed watching a video that has nothing to do with you.

i got to 40 seconds and almost died
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