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On January 04 2011 04:23 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 21:35 Alventenie wrote:On January 03 2011 11:47 rabidch wrote:On January 03 2011 11:13 OmgIRok wrote:On January 03 2011 11:05 rabidch wrote:On January 03 2011 10:59 Durak wrote:On January 03 2011 10:16 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 03 2011 08:20 rabidch wrote:
tbh that pudge clip pretty much looked like a pubstomp ye, as did the potm kill on AM How else would they get 10 plays a week?  anybody else ask why did obsidian destroyer have a point booster? for aghs obv aghs first on OD is retarded. Point booster is still a solid item to just get and hold onto until later. Its nice hp/mp boost per cost and only takes 1 slot. You could get it first just to have better stats for mid game then make it an item later into the game. 2 bracers is the most cost effective (you get +12 damage with it now (+6 damage +6 int)* as well), aghanims is marginal at best on OD and at all stages of the game i would pass it guinsoo+bkb still the way to go
There was a discussion on it that Vigoss commented on and he had really compelling points for it if you could get it in reasonable time (ie, you had 1200ish gold, should you buy 2 bracers or 1 point booster). He said that point booster wins out majority of the time due to a few things. Inventory management, it keeps 1 slot freed up for something else. It can be upgraded, and if you say, well i wasn't going to upgrade it, well you weren't gonna upgrade the bracers either were you? It leaves the option open for you to upgrade it to either Bloodstone/Aghs/Skadi. Overall I think that the item choice is fine compared to 2 bracers, since sooner than later you will probably kill one of those bracers for something else, whereas if you had the point booster you would of already had the free inventory spot.
Obviously if you have bracer parts already though, they are cheaper to make at the time, but if you were given just 1200 gold, point booster is just fine in the long run, even if you don't upgrade it until 3 or 4 items later.
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On January 04 2011 06:55 Nitrogen wrote:
Well, back to Missouri. Peace out bitches
kill someone for me.
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On January 04 2011 12:14 Alventenie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 04:23 rabidch wrote:On January 03 2011 21:35 Alventenie wrote:On January 03 2011 11:47 rabidch wrote:On January 03 2011 11:13 OmgIRok wrote:On January 03 2011 11:05 rabidch wrote:On January 03 2011 10:59 Durak wrote:On January 03 2011 10:16 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 03 2011 08:20 rabidch wrote:
tbh that pudge clip pretty much looked like a pubstomp ye, as did the potm kill on AM How else would they get 10 plays a week? anybody else ask why did obsidian destroyer have a point booster? for aghs obv aghs first on OD is retarded. Point booster is still a solid item to just get and hold onto until later. Its nice hp/mp boost per cost and only takes 1 slot. You could get it first just to have better stats for mid game then make it an item later into the game. 2 bracers is the most cost effective (you get +12 damage with it now (+6 damage +6 int)* as well), aghanims is marginal at best on OD and at all stages of the game i would pass it guinsoo+bkb still the way to go There was a discussion on it that Vigoss commented on and he had really compelling points for it if you could get it in reasonable time (ie, you had 1200ish gold, should you buy 2 bracers or 1 point booster). He said that point booster wins out majority of the time due to a few things. Inventory management, it keeps 1 slot freed up for something else. It can be upgraded, and if you say, well i wasn't going to upgrade it, well you weren't gonna upgrade the bracers either were you? It leaves the option open for you to upgrade it to either Bloodstone/Aghs/Skadi. Overall I think that the item choice is fine compared to 2 bracers, since sooner than later you will probably kill one of those bracers for something else, whereas if you had the point booster you would of already had the free inventory spot. Obviously if you have bracer parts already though, they are cheaper to make at the time, but if you were given just 1200 gold, point booster is just fine in the long run, even if you don't upgrade it until 3 or 4 items later.
but that's a rather old argument
bracers/nulls/bands have +3 damage each now, not much, but ups their value slightly.
and that +12 damage over point booster is nice to have in general
(and also one of the new items, jango, requires bracer but its not very useful on this hero)
secondly, item management w/ 2 bracers on OD is only really an issue if you went bottle for mid lane. treads, 2 bracers, and tp only takes up 4****** slots. leaving space for theoretical escape item, situational bottle, and one component item like ulti orb
lastly, those 3 items to build are all not good, if it was another hero like QoP that could actually use aghanims or the other items the argument would be entirely different but we're talking about OD here.
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On January 04 2011 12:50 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 12:14 Alventenie wrote:On January 04 2011 04:23 rabidch wrote:On January 03 2011 21:35 Alventenie wrote:On January 03 2011 11:47 rabidch wrote:On January 03 2011 11:13 OmgIRok wrote:On January 03 2011 11:05 rabidch wrote:On January 03 2011 10:59 Durak wrote:On January 03 2011 10:16 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 03 2011 08:20 rabidch wrote:
tbh that pudge clip pretty much looked like a pubstomp ye, as did the potm kill on AM How else would they get 10 plays a week? anybody else ask why did obsidian destroyer have a point booster? for aghs obv aghs first on OD is retarded. Point booster is still a solid item to just get and hold onto until later. Its nice hp/mp boost per cost and only takes 1 slot. You could get it first just to have better stats for mid game then make it an item later into the game. 2 bracers is the most cost effective (you get +12 damage with it now (+6 damage +6 int)* as well), aghanims is marginal at best on OD and at all stages of the game i would pass it guinsoo+bkb still the way to go There was a discussion on it that Vigoss commented on and he had really compelling points for it if you could get it in reasonable time (ie, you had 1200ish gold, should you buy 2 bracers or 1 point booster). He said that point booster wins out majority of the time due to a few things. Inventory management, it keeps 1 slot freed up for something else. It can be upgraded, and if you say, well i wasn't going to upgrade it, well you weren't gonna upgrade the bracers either were you? It leaves the option open for you to upgrade it to either Bloodstone/Aghs/Skadi. Overall I think that the item choice is fine compared to 2 bracers, since sooner than later you will probably kill one of those bracers for something else, whereas if you had the point booster you would of already had the free inventory spot. Obviously if you have bracer parts already though, they are cheaper to make at the time, but if you were given just 1200 gold, point booster is just fine in the long run, even if you don't upgrade it until 3 or 4 items later. ... secondly, item management w/ 2 bracers on OD is only really an issue if you went bottle for mid lane. treads, 2 bracers, and tp only takes up 3 slots. leaving space for theoretical escape item, situational bottle, and one component item like ulti orb ....
I don't really know dota lingo, but wouldn't treads+ 2 bracers + tp take up four item slots?
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On January 04 2011 12:57 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 12:50 rabidch wrote:On January 04 2011 12:14 Alventenie wrote:On January 04 2011 04:23 rabidch wrote:On January 03 2011 21:35 Alventenie wrote:On January 03 2011 11:47 rabidch wrote:On January 03 2011 11:13 OmgIRok wrote:On January 03 2011 11:05 rabidch wrote:On January 03 2011 10:59 Durak wrote:On January 03 2011 10:16 don_kyuhote wrote:
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ye, as did the potm kill on AM How else would they get 10 plays a week? anybody else ask why did obsidian destroyer have a point booster? for aghs obv aghs first on OD is retarded. Point booster is still a solid item to just get and hold onto until later. Its nice hp/mp boost per cost and only takes 1 slot. You could get it first just to have better stats for mid game then make it an item later into the game. 2 bracers is the most cost effective (you get +12 damage with it now (+6 damage +6 int)* as well), aghanims is marginal at best on OD and at all stages of the game i would pass it guinsoo+bkb still the way to go There was a discussion on it that Vigoss commented on and he had really compelling points for it if you could get it in reasonable time (ie, you had 1200ish gold, should you buy 2 bracers or 1 point booster). He said that point booster wins out majority of the time due to a few things. Inventory management, it keeps 1 slot freed up for something else. It can be upgraded, and if you say, well i wasn't going to upgrade it, well you weren't gonna upgrade the bracers either were you? It leaves the option open for you to upgrade it to either Bloodstone/Aghs/Skadi. Overall I think that the item choice is fine compared to 2 bracers, since sooner than later you will probably kill one of those bracers for something else, whereas if you had the point booster you would of already had the free inventory spot. Obviously if you have bracer parts already though, they are cheaper to make at the time, but if you were given just 1200 gold, point booster is just fine in the long run, even if you don't upgrade it until 3 or 4 items later. ... secondly, item management w/ 2 bracers on OD is only really an issue if you went bottle for mid lane. treads, 2 bracers, and tp only takes up 3 slots. leaving space for theoretical escape item, situational bottle, and one component item like ulti orb .... I don't really know dota lingo, but wouldn't treads+ 2 bracers + tp take up four item slots?
oops
thats what i get for going back and deleting things
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OD has nice damage already anyway, and with astral just hits even harder. Im not saying that its 100% better since most situations you will have just spare change to spend stuff on and not really 1200 laying around when you say, oh lemme get some hp. But overall in context point booster does provide roughly equal amount that 2 bracers do. Plus once you work for that other intermediate piece to another item (ult orb or whatever), you won't have to ditch a bracer for it.
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If you are playing an optimal game where you are keeping up in creep score, there is only one reason to not buy the point booster and that is if you already have bracer items. Not sure anyone goes into the lane with gauntlets.
I don't even play this game anymore wat.
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Why are we talking about bracers anyway?
Don't people get 2 Nulls for OD?
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This discussion is way too meta-rpf for me :<
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On January 04 2011 17:50 Ack1027 wrote:
If you are playing an optimal game where you are keeping up in creep score, there is only one reason to not buy the point booster and that is if you already have bracer items. Not sure anyone goes into the lane with gauntlets.
I don't even play this game anymore wat.
Why would anyone want to go with bracers over nulls with OD? he has got a decent str gain and his arcane orbs damage is calculated with his current mana. its better to get 2 nulls and get a fast guinsoo. im hardly up to date now days when it comes to DotA but i've never seen obsidian with bracers in a competetive game.
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On January 04 2011 18:28 paper wrote:
This discussion is way too meta-rpf for me :<
u r 2 meta-ryugie for me
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Has anyone tried out dotalicious?
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[EU]crudo
and
[EU]crudolol
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On January 05 2011 22:34 hideo wrote:
Has anyone tried out dotalicious?
yes i do use that platform, hence my hiatus from scbw / tl.net -_-
its a nice platfrom, mainly because rude behaviour (which runs rampant in the DotA community) is seen as something bad by the guys who run it, thus encouraging the ppl who play their to manner up.
i appreciate that a lot cuz when i started playing dota i was somewhat surprised to how good the standard level of good manners of starcraft players compares to the standard level in dota xD
anyways, give it a try if you are a euro player; if you are american there is a US testserver right now, but dont bet on games getting filled on it too often so you should expect euro pings for hostbots etc.
gl hf =)
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On January 04 2011 18:57 nagachicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 17:50 Ack1027 wrote:
If you are playing an optimal game where you are keeping up in creep score, there is only one reason to not buy the point booster and that is if you already have bracer items. Not sure anyone goes into the lane with gauntlets.
I don't even play this game anymore wat.
Why would anyone want to go with bracers over nulls with OD? he has got a decent str gain and his arcane orbs damage is calculated with his current mana. its better to get 2 nulls and get a fast guinsoo. im hardly up to date now days when it comes to DotA but i've never seen obsidian with bracers in a competetive game.
I think English isn't your first language or you misread. I am stating that OD does not go into the lane with gauntlets so therefore in a situation where you are keeping up in creep score you would never need to get bracers over point booster.
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old video.
Still pretty hilarious.
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On January 03 2011 07:30 MYM.Testie wrote:
And a bench player we never wanted to use in clan wars for ToT).
but 9 pool builds and mass lurker are best strat
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