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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19338 Posts
On December 07 2023 18:57 YueY. wrote: There are 3 different reward tiers that include being able to name a unit and there are 700 maximum people that can purchase it. Not sure how that will be possible even if they are campaign units. Yes! Someone please explain how 700 units will be named. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45678 Posts
On December 08 2023 21:56 BisuDagger wrote: Yes! Someone please explain how 700 units will be named. My guess is that those "units" will probably be NPCs or brief cameo characters or neutral map units (like the ursadon), not actual army units that you can create/train/build and use in the game for battles. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17474 Posts
It seems FG hastily jammed this Kickstarter together. This is an indicator this money raising initiative occurs under some form of duress rather than some organic feel-good thing. Time will tell. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45678 Posts
On December 08 2023 23:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote: A lot of the explanations are not well fleshed out. As a result, we are left guessing about a lot of stuff. There is lots of guess work going on about other aspects of these tiers by several people. It seems FG hastily jammed this Kickstarter together. This is an indicator this money raising initiative occurs under some form of duress rather than some organic feel-good thing. Time will tell. That might be the case, but you might also be surprised just how many ambiguous Kickstarters are out there, including ones that still end up having a lot of support anyway. It might be less about duress and more about not asking potential customers to look at what was written up ahead of time and anticipating/addressing any FAQs. | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
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YueY.
United States18 Posts
On December 08 2023 22:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: My guess is that those "units" will probably be NPCs or brief cameo characters or neutral map units (like the ursadon), not actual army units that you can create/train/build and use in the game for battles. Yeah but there are also rewards to become a NPC and that’s another 400 people. We’ll just have to wait and see. | ||
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Monochromatic
United States998 Posts
On December 08 2023 21:56 BisuDagger wrote: Yes! Someone please explain how 700 units will be named. It's probably tacking a name on a unit. I.e. this marine is named Jeff. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26667 Posts
On December 10 2023 06:03 Monochromatic wrote: It's probably tacking a name on a unit. I.e. this marine is named Jeff. Yeah, I’m sure Myth 2 isn’t the only strategy game where every unit has a name, merely the only one I’ve played. Was a nice immersive touch so I’d assume it’s something like that. | ||
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Leonix
161 Posts
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
On December 11 2023 08:45 Leonix wrote: Why is there so much hype around this game"Stormgate", what genre is it actually ? It's an RTS game? I thought that was obvious. There is hype because Blizzard Entertainment isn't interested in developing RTS games anymore, and this seems to be the next big thing in the genre, as the studio behind it has people from SC2/Wc3/CnC. | ||
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Creager
Germany1923 Posts
In addition to that I'd agree with people that already pointed out how vague the supporter tiers are, I also don't want to support the f2p business model in general, give me a complete game I can churn out $60-70 bucks for and leave me alone with all the FOMO and GaaS stuff. | ||
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Leonix
161 Posts
On December 11 2023 19:32 lestye wrote: It's an RTS game? I thought that was obvious. There is hype because Blizzard Entertainment isn't interested in developing RTS games anymore, and this seems to be the next big thing in the genre, as the studio behind it has people from SC2/Wc3/CnC. I meant like Fantasy, scifi, etc. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17474 Posts
On December 14 2023 00:24 Creager wrote: Sorry, as much as Frostgiant has been fondling the RTS community's balls and as much I'd like to support them, I'm simply not pre-ordering anything anymore, that ship has sailed a long time ago. In addition to that I'd agree with people that already pointed out how vague the supporter tiers are, I also don't want to support the f2p business model in general, give me a complete game I can churn out $60-70 bucks for and leave me alone with all the FOMO and GaaS stuff. To add to your post. THeir biggest financial backer is complete and total scum. No big surprise their first revenue generating move is ethically ambiguous while Tim Morten tells us he is our "friend". Kakao rips off working class Koreans by the thousands every single day. They have been entangled in numerous scams for years. All they do is apologize then move on to fucking over more people. With "friends" like Tim Morten... I don't need any enemies. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-koreas-kakao-appoints-new-ceo-amid-scrutiny-tech-company-2023-12-13/ When this house of cards goes sideways I don't want to hear from all the "shocked and stunned" employees. Everyone knows Kakao is scum. | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On December 17 2023 02:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: To add to your post. THeir biggest financial backer is complete and total scum. No big surprise their first revenue generating move is ethically ambiguous while Tim Morten tells us he is our "friend". Kakao rips off working class Koreans by the thousands every single day. They have been entangled in numerous scams for years. All they do is apologize then move on to fucking over more people. With "friends" like Tim Morten... I don't need any enemies. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-koreas-kakao-appoints-new-ceo-amid-scrutiny-tech-company-2023-12-13/ When this house of cards goes sideways I don't want to hear from all the "shocked and stunned" employees. Everyone knows Kakao is scum. This feels very cynical and speculative re: frost giant. Kakao is a huge company, there are scandals but idk if they are ‘scum’ or if there is any evidence they have anything to do with this kickstarter. I think we’re not used to seeing a new studio attempt to make a triple A rts from the ground up, and a lot of this is growing pains. We’ve seen 0 indication of bad faith, other than clearly figuring figuring out, and needing to work on design elements. They’re trying to adjust to new ways of monetizing esports, I also prefer boxed games, but think it’s smart/correct that they’re trying to figure out how to make an rts competitive and profitable in this new world of f2p micro transactions. It seems to me the team is great and is working hard… | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
It’s a blend of sci-fi/fantasy! Space human race (sci-fi) , infernal/demons (fantasy), and some unknown third. This far the concept art seems cool. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26667 Posts
On December 18 2023 17:31 tili wrote: This feels very cynical and speculative re: frost giant. Kakao is a huge company, there are scandals but idk if they are ‘scum’ or if there is any evidence they have anything to do with this kickstarter. I think we’re not used to seeing a new studio attempt to make a triple A rts from the ground up, and a lot of this is growing pains. We’ve seen 0 indication of bad faith, other than clearly figuring figuring out, and needing to work on design elements. They’re trying to adjust to new ways of monetizing esports, I also prefer boxed games, but think it’s smart/correct that they’re trying to figure out how to make an rts competitive and profitable in this new world of f2p micro transactions. It seems to me the team is great and is working hard… I’m a fan of the boxed method. Well, usually a digital purchase these days as cool boxes aren’t really a thing anymore. I think that 100% would be fine with the existing RTS veterans, and I think Stormgate would be a lock to sell pretty well. I mean they’ve already made a million+ on Kickstarter alone, many of whom I imagine are throwing down just to get on the beta. I just don’t see my kiddo saving his pocket money to throw down retail price on a game he’d probably dig, but only because his old man introduced him to StarCraft, and his mates are even less likely to because few of their parents are big RTS nerds. So I think to attract a sizeable new audience it’s really a road they have to go down, I guess the tricky part is monetising with that model as RTS isn’t as neat a fit for it as a Fortnite | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7154 Posts
The F2P model gets you a higher base community and hopefully a somewhat steady income over a long period of time | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17474 Posts
On December 18 2023 17:31 tili wrote: I think we’re not used to seeing a new studio attempt to make a triple A rts from the ground up, and a lot of this is growing pains. We’ve seen 0 indication of bad faith, other than clearly figuring figuring out, and needing to work on design elements. Off the top of my head, in 2013 Victory Games was a new studio and they tried to make C&C Generals 2 from the ground up. Publicly , everything was going great. EA pulled the plug a few years into development. HOWEVER, yesterday's demonstration showed us Stormgate is in much better shape than C&C Generals 2 ever was. I recommend ignoring what developers/salesmen at GamerCons say and only go by their actions and direct evidence. Last night showed the public that Stormgate is in much better shape than C&C Generals 2. Both Victory Games and Frost Giant have pretty similar PR stances. Again, I think what people say is meaningless. Over the last 50 years there have been a million of these gamer con events where everything is great. I suggest ignoring the show and make money decisions based on what you see in the game play. The game looks solid to me. Does it look like the testers are having fun? I'd say "yes". There are people saying Stormgate looks like a "phone game" and the testers seem not very excited. For those people I'd suggest they wait until they can play it themselves for free on Steam. Fortunately, the Kickstarter lasts another 45 days so any one wanting in on the beta can gather more a lot more information before deciding whether or not to buy in. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13995 Posts
On December 18 2023 17:34 tili wrote: It’s a blend of sci-fi/fantasy! Space human race (sci-fi) , infernal/demons (fantasy), and some unknown third. This far the concept art seems cool. Concept art is fine and this may just be me, but I honestly feel this game looks worse than SC2. The Blizzard RTS excelled in visual clarity in a way I don't see in Stormgate footage and gameplay | ||
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