EPTFunny how Tim pretty much outlines his work history the past 30 years and omits the 3.5 year failure of the C&C Live Service game cancelled in late 2013. Tim was something like "Senior Production Leader".
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17710 Posts
Funny how Tim pretty much outlines his work history the past 30 years and omits the 3.5 year failure of the C&C Live Service game cancelled in late 2013. Tim was something like "Senior Production Leader". | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4435 Posts
On November 25 2025 23:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote: In Tim's words he needs to "up my AI game. Get Ready. Or get left behind." Uhhh , Isn't he ready to retire? He should move to a house in the middle of nowhere and hang out with other old people. btw, Wildgate published and developed by Mike Morhaime's Dreamhaven is close to dying as well. The game released in late July and its now 50% off until December 4th. They had a free weekend and as soon as the free weekend ended it fell to 50 players. It is a multiplayer live service game with 5 teams of 3 competing with each other. So you need more than 50 players for proper balanced competition. Those Morhaime Dreamhaven games are actually good though, and well rated on steam.When Tim talked about the market being overcrowded he wasn't wrong.Which begs the question if good games from Morhaime can only get mediocre sales what hope do $2 million budget games from a guy who has put out subpar offerings frequently have? | ||
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Maksim2010
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada1201 Posts
On November 28 2025 02:08 Maksim2010 wrote: I don’t get how that game is still not canceled by him. It’s like he wants them to run out of money and close the studio. I could tell like 2 years ago it will flop. I would have restarted the project when everyone complained about graphics or develop a popular genre or get hired for a different project from an other company to earn money for the studio. But it seems he only wants to scam the RTS fans for more money… Frost Giant has run out of money already. Stormgate's launch had less than a fifth of the numbers of the EA launch, which we know from their SEC report earned less than $1 million in game sales, or less than a month of Frost Giant's expenses prior to launch. Right now the game earns no money at all. But Tim Morten's ego simply does not allow him to close the studio. He can just keep posting on LinkedIn forever and claim to be searching for that mythical "partner" that (in theory) will allow the studio to continue. The only remaining hitch is that Frost Giant has to start paying back the $2 million loan to Silicon Valley Bank in three days. I'm not sure how Tim can navigate that without some sort of bankruptcy disclosure. | ||
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ChillFlame
317 Posts
On November 28 2025 02:08 Maksim2010 wrote: I don’t get how that game is still not canceled by him. It’s like he wants them to run out of money and close the studio. I could tell like 2 years ago it will flop. I would have restarted the project when everyone complained about graphics or develop a popular genre or get hired for a different project from an other company to earn money for the studio. But it seems he only wants to scam the RTS fans for more money… Yes, that's the crazy part. Everyone with at least two brain cells knew the game was toast after the EA release. There's no historic precedent of a ~$40m F2P game coming back from ~100 CCU (concurrent users). There was a financial projection post based on their SEC filings. https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1eggkld/financial_projections_for_stormgate_in_early/. According to the projections, they needed ~1m MAU (monthly active users) to break even. They had something like ~10k MAU 2 months in. I insist that every person who wasn't sure of the game's failure was either not informed, stupid, or malicious. Everybody else knew it was over. Devs knew, players knew. Even Tim knew. Yet he continues to sell the game on Steam. The game is an online-only live-service nightmare. You pull the plug, *poof* you can't play it. No end-of-service plans, no official statements on the game's possible viability, nothing. Yet no one except 3 crazy people on Steam forums (including me) tries to get it delisted from Steam. I don't quite understand it. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3513 Posts
On November 27 2025 09:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i don't think 10 years producing 0 product is standard tech. I mean... look at Tim's career. If Stormgate had have been cancelled in early 2025 (as it should have), then he pretty much hasn't shipped a meaningful product in the last 15 years. Just a random example. I'm just saying most products fail. Look at the context of my full quote. Even people working at Google are usually working on internal projects that get started, incubate for a few years, and then scrapped before they see the light of day. Lots of people bounce from failed project to failed project. The success rate is pretty low. Tim is right about some of his LinkedIn ramblings. We've got 10000 games being made, and 1000 games being successful. You have to be very good AND somewhat lucky. FG was definitely not 'very good'. I'll rephrase as standard corporate tech*. Obviously a small-medium business has to make sense or it goes belly up quickly. | ||
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Gargonus
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Gargonus
40 Posts
I can haz fiv million ??? | ||
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THIRD_DEGREE_
United States20 Posts
I don't know if this was a trend for him prior to Stormgate. Today's episode of MortTV is an instant classic. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4435 Posts
This week, I want to turn that around as a question: who can recommend publishers that are actually writing checks in the $5M range (bonus points if they aren't afraid of RTS)? He's looking to do another rts but with 1/8 the budget of stormgate? Probably with way more help from AI. Can guarantee more people are looking forward to DORF which is made by 3 guys out of their own pocket. | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey459 Posts
On December 02 2025 02:20 Gargonus wrote: Pretty uncontroversial opinion imo. Blizzard RTSes have always been on the more cartoony side. You would reply to me on discord rather than take it to friendly territory if you thought this was such an unreasonable take.Spartak remaining in character as always | ||
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Gargonus
40 Posts
I post it here just for fun, because we love to look at your history of wild takes which have gone very intense these last days. As I had said somewhere, usually you brought arguments, but nowadays you don't. It makes all of this look much more insane ! The funny thing is that, indeed, Blizzard style is cartoony. But you failing to realize (or ignoring) that making a game cartoony-blizzard-like is not enough to have a good game is hilarious. You'd really pursue any desperate lead to defend this pathetic game. Why not argue with you on Discord ? Because as on Reddit, I have done it plenty of times, and it's useless. What's the point ? Please, I beg you, speak of "bad faith" now xD | ||
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada1201 Posts
On December 02 2025 04:24 Gargonus wrote: Oh hello Spartak ! I post it here just for fun, because we love to look at your history of wild takes which have gone very intense these last days. As I had said somewhere, usually you brought arguments, but nowadays you don't. It makes all of this look much more insane ! The funny thing is that, indeed, Blizzard style is cartoony. But you failing to realize (or ignoring) that making a game cartoony-blizzard-like is not enough to have a good game is hilarious. You'd really pursue any desperate lead to defend this pathetic game. Why not argue with you on Discord ? Because as on Reddit, I have done it plenty of times, and it's useless. What's the point ? Please, I beg you, speak of "bad faith" now xD "Bad faith" seems to be a really big deal with him. | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey459 Posts
On December 02 2025 04:24 Gargonus wrote: Oh hello Spartak ! I post it here just for fun, because we love to look at your history of wild takes which have gone very intense these last days. As I had said somewhere, usually you brought arguments, but nowadays you don't. It makes all of this look much more insane ! The funny thing is that, indeed, Blizzard style is cartoony. But you failing to realize (or ignoring) that making a game cartoony-blizzard-like is not enough to have a good game is hilarious. You'd really pursue any desperate lead to defend this pathetic game. Why not argue with you on Discord ? Because as on Reddit, I have done it plenty of times, and it's useless. What's the point ? Please, I beg you, speak of "bad faith" now xD It is a pretty boring debate, mostly comes down to terminology difference but it is a pretty reasonable take. I have the arguments to back it up. I can provide them to you if you show the courage to directly respond to me next time instead of attempting to circlejerk at a place where you hope I don't see it. | ||
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THIRD_DEGREE_
United States20 Posts
On December 02 2025 03:33 _Spartak_ wrote: Pretty uncontroversial opinion imo. Blizzard RTSes have always been on the more cartoony side. You would reply to me on discord rather than take it to friendly territory if you thought this was such an unreasonable take. You mean a forum where you can delete things you don't agree with? I mean, just today you deleted something for "bad faith paraphrasing" because Reimer titled today's mort post where he inquires about publishers able to offer $5M as "Anybody know anyone who can give me $5 million?" when Tim Morten says: "who can recommend publishers that are actually writing checks in the $5M range?" The core meaning is the same, nor does it break any rules, but none of that really matters to you anyways. Otherwise, we wouldn't be dealing with an expression of personal objection dressed up as moderation. If anything, it's arguably more honest than Morten. | ||
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Gargonus
40 Posts
On December 02 2025 04:30 _Spartak_ wrote: It is a pretty boring debate, mostly comes down to terminology difference but it is a pretty reasonable take. I have the arguments to back it up. I can provide them to you if you show the courage to directly respond to me next time instead of attempting to circlejerk at a place where you hope I don't see it. I never hoped you wouldn't see it, but I'm used to you making stuff up, rofl. No one is hiding anything from you. I mentioned this forum plenty of times. You're just uncomfortable cause you don't have mods power here and no other shill like Delirus to "back you up". As in your previous Reddit posts, you're acting like a child. It's not Stormgate that is bad, it was just impossible, every other RTS is just as bad, etc, etc. Trying to bring SC2 down to the same level of Stormgate is truly pathetic. Maybe one day you'll realize that roleplaying as a carpet for FG won't bring your money back  | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey459 Posts
On December 02 2025 04:32 THIRD_DEGREE_ wrote: You mean a forum where you can delete things you don't agree with? I mean, just today you deleted something for "bad faith paraphrasing" because Reimer titled today's mort post where he inquires about publishers able to offer $5M as "Anybody know anyone who can give me $5 million?" when Tim Morten says: "who can recommend publishers that are actually writing checks in the $5M range?" The core meaning is the same, nor does it break any rules, but none of that really matters to you anyways. Otherwise, we wouldn't be dealing with an expression of personal objection dressed up as moderation. If anything, it's arguably more honest than Morten. I am not interested in your opinions about honesty. Here is the same topic that is on the subreddit and is not deleted: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1pbjr99/linkedin_update_tim_morten_continues_to_seek/ On December 02 2025 04:36 Gargonus wrote: I never used my "moderating powers" when debating with you to suppress opinions I don't agree with (or anyone else for that matter). You just don't back yourself in an argument against me, that's why you wanted to avoid it. You can do with more confidence!I never hoped you wouldn't see it, but I'm used to you making stuff up, rofl. No one is hiding anything from you. I mentioned this forum plenty of times. You're just uncomfortable cause you don't have mods power here and no other shill like Delirus to "back you up". As in your previous Reddit posts, you're acting like a child. It's not Stormgate that is bad, it was just impossible, every other RTS is just as bad, etc, etc. Putting SC2 as the same level of Stormgate is truly pathetic. Maybe one day you'll realize that roleplaying as a carpet for FG won't bring your money back | ||
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Gargonus
40 Posts
THINK MARK, THINK | ||
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada1201 Posts
On December 02 2025 04:32 THIRD_DEGREE_ wrote: You mean a forum where you can delete things you don't agree with? I mean, just today you deleted something for "bad faith paraphrasing" because Reimer titled today's mort post where he inquires about publishers able to offer $5M as "Anybody know anyone who can give me $5 million?" when Tim Morten says: "who can recommend publishers that are actually writing checks in the $5M range?" The core meaning is the same, nor does it break any rules, but none of that really matters to you anyways. Otherwise, we wouldn't be dealing with an expression of personal objection dressed up as moderation. If anything, it's arguably more honest than Morten. Yeah, I mean I don't really care if my post got deleted, as long as someone was able to post the latest Tim Postmorten. But the "reasoning" behind it made me chuckle. | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey459 Posts
On December 02 2025 04:38 Gargonus wrote: Maybe because negative posts are actually the only posts in this sub now, and people would realize quite fast if you deleted them all ? THINK MARK, THINK Talk about "making stuff up". Negative posts have dominated the subreddit for almost two years now. The funny thing is you are talking to an audience here who is aware that it is bullshit that posts/comments are removed on the subreddit because they are negative. They pretend that is the case but they know it is not true. So it is not like you are fooling anyone. | ||
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