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cha0
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Miragee
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On June 11 2024 22:53 cha0 wrote: So what is the status of the NDA and streaming? I saw there were one or two streams going over the reveal but I don't see anyone playing now, is it back to NDA? Gameplay from the last beta phase is still under NDA. There is no beta phase running right now. Artosis went over some games of Parting on his stream recently. Maybe some individuals still have special access w/o NDA, Idk. | ||
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Adico
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On June 11 2024 22:53 cha0 wrote: So what is the status of the NDA and streaming? I saw there were one or two streams going over the reveal but I don't see anyone playing now, is it back to NDA? For pretty much everyone, the NDA is still active. Some content creators were given special access to the frigate test to showcase the celestials, and the afterMath team made a few matches with its players (albino, PartinG, TheoRy) public for said creators to make videos of. At this time, there is no playtest running, so it's just the creators who have access in-game. They are playing the same version playtesters (and backers) played back in May. The version shown in the PC Gaming show, however, is slightly more updated (The cabal unit for the celestials has its textures and model, for instance). | ||
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Adico
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Frigate patch notes: https://liquipedia.net/stormgate/Patch/Closed_Beta_Frigate/F55366 Celestial page: https://liquipedia.net/stormgate/The_Celestial_Armada An all celestial tournament: https://liquipedia.net/stormgate/The_Alpha_Navigators_Cup/11/Misc | ||
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Agh
United States1082 Posts
On June 10 2024 12:51 WombaT wrote: I must say I quite dig the Celestials/the game is looking in better shape than when I was last checking out streams Granted I was pretty busy, but my limited testing left me pretty underwhelmed. Perhaps it just suffers from brand new race pains but its was difficult to get a cohesive build order down intuitively compared to the other two races. Just felt like a fake opening gambit where the payoff is over-tuned economic growth, where you know that something like map or spawn will determine the outcome. (which is terrible and has no place in RTS). Such is the state of current-year "beta" gameplay I guess. | ||
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End1ess
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CicadaSC
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Adico
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On June 11 2024 23:18 Adico wrote: For pretty much everyone, the NDA is still active. Some content creators were given special access to the frigate test to showcase the celestials, and the afterMath team made a few matches with its players (albino, PartinG, TheoRy) public for said creators to make videos of. At this time, there is no playtest running, so it's just the creators who have access in-game. They are playing the same version playtesters (and backers) played back in May. The version shown in the PC Gaming show, however, is slightly more updated (The cabal unit for the celestials has its textures and model, for instance). Update, NDA has officially been lifted now for everyone. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5469 Posts
On June 12 2024 01:28 End1ess wrote: The 3 race will have major balance issue, will takes years to balance. Random units throw in the game just like SC2. Do they not learn from SC2 by hoping tweeting HP, power, speed and cool-down will fix balance? Infernal and Celestial has no unit building time. Look like human is the weakest race. Celestials do have build time? Asymmetrical balance is tough to get right, and I don't think it's possible to be perfect, but it is good that the races play so differently and have their strengths/weaknesses. Vanguard held 3 of the top 5 spots in the last beta: https://stormgate.untapped.gg/en/leaderboard I wouldn't worry about balance until the game is released to EA for all. From the betas, they seem fine to fairly quickly tune down obviously OP units (like hornets a couple builds prior). | ||
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End1ess
Canada77 Posts
On June 12 2024 03:26 SoleSteeler wrote: Celestials do have build time? Asymmetrical balance is tough to get right, and I don't think it's possible to be perfect, but it is good that the races play so differently and have their strengths/weaknesses. Vanguard held 3 of the top 5 spots in the last beta: https://stormgate.untapped.gg/en/leaderboard I wouldn't worry about balance until the game is released to EA for all. From the betas, they seem fine to fairly quickly tune down obviously OP units (like hornets a couple builds prior). In the 3rd race reveal video it show a warp prism summon units. | ||
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Miragee
8690 Posts
On June 12 2024 04:26 End1ess wrote: In the 3rd race reveal video it show a warp prism summon units. That's definitely not the case. All celestial units have building times. What the celestials have is that you can spawn all units from the same building. Imagine having 5 Baracks and can chose one where all units produced will spawn. You can't spawn them from the main building, either. All you see in the trailer is buildings being warped in, which also have a building time. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1972 Posts
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_Spartak_
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SoleSteeler
Canada5469 Posts
On June 11 2024 22:46 Manit0u wrote: Doesn't look good. In my opinion, sadly, this title won't even take off the ground. There will be some interest in the beginning and then it'll just die. I was a little surprised because this guy has played the beta a lot... he stomped me a few times also. But overall, the video is about the lack of innovation on the look and lore of the celestial (close to protoss), but overall he seems to like Stormgate. Time stamp at 5:36, he does like the game "a lot" and has casted it "a lot" - but first impressions are what he's worried about. More discussion on the unfinished art, uninspired angels/demons/humans trope (valid). "Gameplay is innovative" around 9:45. Valid criticisms - how similar in lore they are to protoss. (start around 11:05 of the video). Commends them and talks about the innovation of their base building and focus, which is "hidden" behind the obviousness of angel/protoss. (start around 12:45 for full point) "The freshest and most innovative thing they've done" around 14:30. "(FGS) hide it behind easy to criticize look/lore" Loves the kri unit (they are indeed cool, to me). Around 20:00 onwards - "big down on the look/lore", also talks about "good will" of the community which shouldn't be abused (I agree) and they seem "late" on some things. Ends on trailer had some of the coolest SG footage but maybe many won't remember it. Overall a nice video. The game needs to attract people. The gameplay is legit really fun (to me) and I'm not the one to be too critical of lore, but others definitely do care a lot about lore/looks. First impressions matter. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 11 2024 22:46 Manit0u wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpr9aZXdhxY Doesn't look good. In my opinion, sadly, this title won't even take off the ground. There will be some interest in the beginning and then it'll just die. He's not wrong. FG set them selves up for bad feedback with a new race that looks so protoss-y. The gameplay in a lot of areas is really good, but the cinematics and presentation of their reveals leaves a lot to be desired. They might have been better off not keeping things a secret at all, and allowing the community to give feedback even earlier (like during the aesthetics and unit design phases), or kept everything a secret up to near release, or at least up to the point they had finalised environments and models. | ||
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KingzTig
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The problem again all comes down to how visually bland it is. That trailer also really needs much better presentation, it's a video showcasing the third faction yes, but it's also for campaign players. I just don't see how any of the units would look cool in the cutscenes. Even that slam moment lacks real impact, no consideration on camera movements etc. Even indie titles are making way better promo videos, and aesthetic goes a LONG way. look at killknight as an example, it's a game that knows its audience. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10929 Posts
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NonY
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On June 12 2024 06:56 SoleSteeler wrote: I was a little surprised because this guy has played the beta a lot... he stomped me a few times also. But overall, the video is about the lack of innovation on the look and lore of the celestial (close to protoss), but overall he seems to like Stormgate. Time stamp at 5:36, he does like the game "a lot" and has casted it "a lot" - but first impressions are what he's worried about. More discussion on the unfinished art, uninspired angels/demons/humans trope (valid). "Gameplay is innovative" around 9:45. Valid criticisms - how similar in lore they are to protoss. (start around 11:05 of the video). Commends them and talks about the innovation of their base building and focus, which is "hidden" behind the obviousness of angel/protoss. (start around 12:45 for full point) "The freshest and most innovative thing they've done" around 14:30. "(FGS) hide it behind easy to criticize look/lore" Loves the kri unit (they are indeed cool, to me). Around 20:00 onwards - "big down on the look/lore", also talks about "good will" of the community which shouldn't be abused (I agree) and they seem "late" on some things. Ends on trailer had some of the coolest SG footage but maybe many won't remember it. Overall a nice video. The game needs to attract people. The gameplay is legit really fun (to me) and I'm not the one to be too critical of lore, but others definitely do care a lot about lore/looks. First impressions matter. what was his ID in the beta? i didnt watch the whole video so i missed it if it's revealed in there somewhere | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5469 Posts
Saving my true grinding for when I get a new PC (mine is 10 years old) and the ladders aren't reset every other month.  | ||
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Agh
United States1082 Posts
On June 13 2024 02:58 SoleSteeler wrote: His ID is just B2WNeo - doesn't have a lot of games from Frigate (I searched that name on the leaderboard). I think I played him in previous betas, and his MMR isn't high either. Mine is only like 1450-1550ish. So he's not some high level person. Saving my true grinding for when I get a new PC (mine is 10 years old) and the ladders aren't reset every other month. lmao that definitely isn't neo. (referring to the guy who said he was high mmr) while he's a great guy I can probably beat him in wc3 using my feet on the floor for mouse and keyboard, and I can't imagine his skill in stormgate is any better. | ||
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