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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51718 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27479 Posts
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_Spartak_
Turkey464 Posts
https://x.com/Frost_Giant/status/1800002182789677236 | ||
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CicadaSC
United States2079 Posts
On June 10 2024 13:10 _Spartak_ wrote: Kakao Games will be publishing Stormgaten Korea: https://x.com/Frost_Giant/status/1800002182789677236 what does that mean exactly? what will they be doing for them? | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey464 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7460 Posts
On June 10 2024 10:03 SoleSteeler wrote: Overall, War3 was super popular and a great game, but having huge armies and multiple bases was not something you saw in it. I'm glad SG fulfills that fantasy. I'm hopeful for the 3v3 mode, but I can't see how it won't lag like hell! Even SC2, a 14 year old game, can barely run even 3v3/4v4 big armies past a certain point. I guess CPUs from the past 2-3 years have a better shot. Sorry for my unorganized ramblings. AFAIK that it the sole reason they build this whole netcode/ rollback whatever thing from the ground up. To have basically 2000 supply of units on screen lagfree. If it works remains to be seen. Obviously this is only server side. If your PC can't handle the graphics/ effects that is another story | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
I'm no developer so I don't know if it's actually possible to make 3c3 with 300 cap armies playable. The play tests they've shown so far don't run particularly smoothly but obviously optimisations are going to come much later SC2 was always limited to 2 cores if I remember correctly, even modern PCs with 8+ cores don't really have higher clock speeds than they did 10 years ago so SC2 4v4 etc can still be a pain to play. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7460 Posts
On June 10 2024 20:42 Fango wrote: I assume their tech guys are working on making 3v3 playable. If they want the game to have casual appeal it needs to run on non-spacestation PCs. And their minimum requirements according to steam are fairly mild (a 10 year old system can hit that). I'm no developer so I don't know if it's actually possible to make 3c3 with 300 cap armies playable. The play tests they've shown so far don't run particularly smoothly but obviously optimisations are going to come much later SC2 was always limited to 2 cores if I remember correctly, even modern PCs with 8+ cores don't really have higher clock speeds than they did 10 years ago so SC2 4v4 etc can still be a pain to play. Yeah 4v4 max army with Carrier battles was just slow mo if it moved at all | ||
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ETisME
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SoleSteeler
Canada5472 Posts
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States758 Posts
On June 10 2024 12:51 WombaT wrote: I must say I quite dig the Celestials/the game is looking in better shape than when I was last checking out streams I am sure Armada just rings the bell for you as well , haha :D Carriers have arrived! | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18050 Posts
On June 10 2024 23:58 SoleSteeler wrote: Kakao is the biggest messaging app in Korea - literally every single person has it (I swear it must be 95%+ share). I also have it having lived there and still keep in touch with friends/family (my wife is Korean). Kakao being their publisher for Korea can only be a good thing. Kakao Games is drowning in a sea of red ink https://www.statista.com/statistics/1387755/kakao-games-net-income/ These big losses occur as the parent company tightens up its governance and protocols. This is not a situation that "can only be a good thing". This is prolly why Frost Giant had to beg for a million dollars from the general public giving up a tonne of fees in the process rather than just getting a million dollars from Kakao Games. Kakao is no better or worse, ethically speaking, than other mega publishers like EA, Nintendo, and Ubisoft. They all have checkered pasts where they've all gone to battle with many big governments and the regulatory agencies in the highest courts in the land over game, financial, and monopoly regulations. I'd say Kakao's involvement is not positive nor is it negative. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On June 10 2024 20:42 Fango wrote: I assume their tech guys are working on making 3v3 playable. If they want the game to have casual appeal it needs to run on non-spacestation PCs. And their minimum requirements according to steam are fairly mild (a 10 year old system can hit that). The alternative is that the engineers tell the game designers "we can't actually get good FPS with so many units" so 3v3, by necessity, becomes more about controlling heroes and small armies. Which I don't even think would necessarily be a bad thing (but would be disappointing for people who love 3v3 and 4v4 BGH / fastest). It'd also mean that 1v1 players don't get to enjoy a trickle-down effect of having even higher FPS and taking advantage of 240hz++ monitors. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5472 Posts
On June 11 2024 08:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I'd be careful giving money to Frost Giant. They've made many public statements about their precarious financial position. Kakao Games is drowning in a sea of red ink https://www.statista.com/statistics/1387755/kakao-games-net-income/ These big losses occur as the parent company tightens up its governance and protocols. This is not a situation that "can only be a good thing". This is prolly why Frost Giant had to beg for a million dollars from the general public giving up a tonne of fees in the process rather than just getting a million dollars from Kakao Games. Kakao is no better or worse, ethically speaking, than other mega publishers like EA, Nintendo, and Ubisoft. They all have checkered pasts where they've all gone to battle with many big governments and the regulatory agencies in the highest courts in the land over game, financial, and monopoly regulations. I'd say Kakao's involvement is not positive nor is it negative. I more mean because of their 97% market share in Korea (number retrieved from a quick Google). Kakao isn't going anywhere. I'm not familiar with their games publishing specifically(Kakao acquired them just as I left Korea, it seems), just how ubiquitous the Kakao name is. I've never heard a Korean speak poorly about the app or company. (I'm sure they exist, somewhere). But your point about negative income is of course valid. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18050 Posts
On June 11 2024 09:17 SoleSteeler wrote: I've never heard a Korean speak poorly about the app or company. (I'm sure they exist, somewhere). Kakao Chief Investment Officer Bae Jae-hyun was arrested. I'm sure some Koreans somewhere had to be saying something negative about Kakao for that to happen. Again though... relative to EA or Atari or Mattel or other giant video game mega publishers.. Kakao is no better or no worse. These mega publishers frequently get into dust ups with government regulators. Sometimes they are doing really scummy stuff or illegal things... sometimes they are innocent. Bringing this back to the game and how it impacts consumers. EA shut down all the C&C multiplayer servers. If things go bad for Frost Giant the exact same thing could happen with Stormgate. | ||
Waxangel
United States33714 Posts
not just that individually, but general conspiracy theorist brain about everything | ||
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ETisME
12909 Posts
On June 10 2024 05:32 _Spartak_ wrote: Whole segment with the developer interview: Finally taken my time to watch the whole video. The concept is really cool, but all the vertical special effects are taking up way too much screen space. I can imagine this race will really limits the map design in the long run. I really don't get why stormgate artstyle is so wonky. Infernal looking more and more "cultish" than demons, Celestials looks more advanced tech race than angelic, and vanguard is the only race that looks like what they should be: humans. some units could very well be a vanguard units, if they had the blue theme. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7460 Posts
On June 11 2024 20:14 ETisME wrote: Finally taken my time to watch the whole video. The concept is really cool, but all the vertical special effects are taking up way too much screen space. I can imagine this race will really limits the map design in the long run. I really don't get why stormgate artstyle is so wonky. Infernal looking more and more "cultish" than demons, Celestials looks more advanced tech race than angelic, and vanguard is the only race that looks like what they should be: humans. some units could very well be a vanguard units, if they had the blue theme. Why do Infernals have look like the Demons we're used too? Or in some other thread someone mentionen something along the lines of "Infernals don't look like Warcraft Orcs" Why put them in one drawer or the other. Why not their own drawer. As for the maps: You always could put something in that hinders or blocks flyers/ flying buildings I guess. Think thunderstorms/ EM-Storms or tornadoes or whatnot to make it lore compatible. The slow flying zones in SC2 came like 10 years after release and are basically in every map these days | ||
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ETisME
12909 Posts
On June 11 2024 20:27 Harris1st wrote: Why do Infernals have look like the Demons we're used too? Or in some other thread someone mentionen something along the lines of "Infernals don't look like Warcraft Orcs" Why put them in one drawer or the other. Why not their own drawer. As for the maps: You always could put something in that hinders or blocks flyers/ flying buildings I guess. Think thunderstorms/ EM-Storms or tornadoes or whatnot to make it lore compatible. The slow flying zones in SC2 came like 10 years after release and are basically in every map these days It doesn't need to look like demon we are used to, but it doesn't need to look like a cultish clan. Same way Diablo doesn't have a traditional angel design, but you for sure can tell it's majestic and holy. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17872 Posts
Doesn't look good. In my opinion, sadly, this title won't even take off the ground. There will be some interest in the beginning and then it'll just die. | ||
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