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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
December 09 2020 21:59 GMT
#261
I think Childe also has the same thing to a lesser extent because he isn't as straight forward. They are not as easy to play as Diluc to maximize DPS. Klee also has more info on her but is mostly from animation canceling because that is where her complexity is. Diluc has no such thing as he is just a straight forward nuke who is also a dude.

Electro is holding Keqing back unfortunately. She is still the best DPS not named Klee/Diluc but pyro is just broken with Melt and Vaporize.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
December 09 2020 22:10 GMT
#262
I think we'll really see when the Abyss changes (I'm hearing it might change in 1.2) - if they switch Abyss 12's Leyline from Pyro to Electro (along with whatever enemies they stick in it) we should really see whether Pyro is so dominant that it ignores the damage boost or if it's been a combination of easy strong damage and the end-game just being ridiculously Pyro-favored for months.

As it stands Abyss 9 and 12 favor Pyro way too much and there're too many electro-immune enemies to be able to comfortably take Keqing.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-09 22:40:28
December 09 2020 22:37 GMT
#263
I liked the crystalize thing in the abyss right now for my Ningguang. I also heard (not confirmed) Cyro might be getting some buffs.

I don't know how the physical Keqing performs but you could take that to 12. I heard she is good for like 12-3 or something?

Pyro is just easier though, especially now because 2/3 team cleansers are pyro loool.

Overloaded might be good in Abyss higher levels if they add in larger packs of bigger enemies that won't get flung around everywhere because it does do good AoE.


I am not completely bothered by Pyro being better because other elements are still capable to clearing Abyss (just need more investment to do so). And it seems like every character is viable with investment. I more just want to see different encounters then DPS checks in timed fights.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
December 09 2020 22:48 GMT
#264
She's fine in 12-x because you can set up overload spam - as an example Xiangling's skill effectively comes three Overload procs and Xiangling passively scales EM anyways. Just that Diluc/Klee/Bennett are miles better, and even Razor is better because he self-cleanses (Keqing eats up too much stamina).

I'm just hearing that they're changing Leylines and enemies in Abyss come 1.2 so Pyro may stop being king, at least for Abyss 12. It's king right now because it's got the 75% damage boost.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-09 23:09:39
December 09 2020 22:55 GMT
#265
Glad they are changing it up but they probably will still be kings unless they make the enemy types pyro slimes lol. Vape and Melt too strong xd

I built lots of EM and full Crimson witch set on my Xiangling for overloaded but then did some testing with Mona and Vaporize was just doing so much more. It was depressing.

Trying to think of the best way to utilize my Childe right now and I initially was thinking going electro supports for him but idk now might have to try Vaporize comp.



Edit: I did have a question about Xiangling. If I kinda use her as a pseudo carry in Abyss should I just craft the Cresant Pike for her? I have Dragons Bane and that gives her so much EM but I guess her AAs would be a lot stronger and more consistent.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
December 09 2020 23:31 GMT
#266
Whether EM is good on Xiangling depends on if she's aura or trigger. Unfortunately, internal cooldown and the strength of elemental application seems to matter a lot when it comes to reactions, and there don't seem to be any good resources for determining any of this.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
December 09 2020 23:45 GMT
#267
I am not familiar enough with the pyro reactions because I have basically never used them outside of Overloaded. I prob should watch the Elemental Reactions video again by Jinx/Tuner that was posted here a couple more times lol.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
December 10 2020 00:07 GMT
#268
Even that vid doesn't cover everything. I think they go over some of the details in the Xingqiu vid.

The long and the short of it is that every individual skill has an internal cooldown for applying elements. For instance, I can't trigger reactions on every Keqing auto attack even when imbued with electro - the internal cooldown prevents it. Similarly, Oz only applies electro every 3 shots or so.

Each skill has a specific "strength" to it as well. Xingqiu's hydro is strong (lasts ~3 reactions). I think Klee's E is also strong. This is why some characters are better than others when it comes to being the aura.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-10 00:35:03
December 10 2020 00:25 GMT
#269
If you want a really in-depth understanding: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FaLYqA7MBow0DNBPUc2b9t_dEBhvRT-vs-l03PW0Wu8/edit#heading=h.qkxzed6t90o

Edit:
Or really probably a combination of
  • https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQ_ayc9bVtUZz9zlF7h6L5EsKE1tUIujtXYkicp0nmxG5CXzRSA91Eh4qKQTadh-KOg8im5gRN_iD-R/pub
  • https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uiJje5yqv7v2UKrWoBAgBMrHrrNemtkooo8JqAGJpP8/edit?usp=sharing
  • https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O9SeEyS2uOnjYLEJ0d5E6TUxabp7fgyc6MGlSMJBsw0/edit
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-10 00:46:29
December 10 2020 00:45 GMT
#270
Looking at the volume of artwork being produced, Mona is much more popular. Fischl about the same popularity too. Barbara close behind. I find it bizarre that so much has been written about Keqing, when in comparison for other characters is like a barren desert. It's not a little more, it's like ten-hundred times more. Where are the weapon DPS analysis for other characters? Where are the artifact combinations? Where are comparisons of different builds of Mona?

I think it is as Spazer said, it is just that analyzing Keqing acquired a momentum of it's own. Even the best source on elemental auras is from trying to theorycraft Keqing.

On December 10 2020 07:48 Southlight wrote:
I'm just hearing that they're changing Leylines and enemies in Abyss come 1.2 so Pyro may stop being king, at least for Abyss 12. It's king right now because it's got the 75% damage boost.

Where do you hear that leylines and enemies in Abyss are changing in 1.2? I can find nothing in the official website.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6925 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-10 10:19:40
December 10 2020 10:14 GMT
#271
Haven't heard any changing of the existing Abyss, but I have heard that the new snowy mountain does have a new domain and it is rumored to be Abyss 13+

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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-10 14:07:22
December 10 2020 13:51 GMT
#272
If 1.1 is any indication, that's a new weekly boss. There's already a single domain for abyss floors 1-12, and already pre-existing space to add four more floors to that without even have to program in new GUI, so it doesn't really make sense to think that is a new domain for floor 13. Spiral abyss is meant to be climbing a spire so why would you need to teleport to another dungeon?

I "heard" that in 1.1 abyss floors would be changing enemies and adding new floors and that turned out to be false. It's an obvious and simple thing for Mihoyo to do so I suspect for every new update someone will "hear" they are changing abyss. Rumours are just rumours; I could just as easily say that I heard the new domain is rumoured to be a new weekly boss, one of the four winds, the fourth temple of Dvalin. What can you say to that then?
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6925 Posts
December 10 2020 15:59 GMT
#273
On December 10 2020 22:51 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
If 1.1 is any indication, that's a new weekly boss. There's already a single domain for abyss floors 1-12, and already pre-existing space to add four more floors to that without even have to program in new GUI, so it doesn't really make sense to think that is a new domain for floor 13. Spiral abyss is meant to be climbing a spire so why would you need to teleport to another dungeon?

I "heard" that in 1.1 abyss floors would be changing enemies and adding new floors and that turned out to be false. It's an obvious and simple thing for Mihoyo to do so I suspect for every new update someone will "hear" they are changing abyss. Rumours are just rumours; I could just as easily say that I heard the new domain is rumoured to be a new weekly boss, one of the four winds, the fourth temple of Dvalin. What can you say to that then?


hmmm... very true.

If it is a weekly boss, it would have to be an ice dragon obviously. I mean it is the icy top (or bottom, who knows) of an icy mountain called Dragonspine.
We'll see in just 2 weeks!
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-11 17:26:02
December 11 2020 16:58 GMT
#274
That new domain is all but confirmed to be for the new cryo and hydro artifacts, (which are crazy powerful) from the developer livestream.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
December 11 2020 17:40 GMT
#275
Aye I'm looking forward to them for my Childe.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
December 11 2020 17:45 GMT
#276
The hydro set is like perfect for Childe lol.

Cryo set looks noice. Esp since Ganyu and Ayaka are coming soon. Also Rosaria is going to be a 4 star cryo lancer.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6925 Posts
December 12 2020 12:02 GMT
#277
Will take a break from GI until X-mas. New event is meh, farming got boring and is super slow. My BP is finished and I don't wanna even do my dailies right now. Guess I burned out.

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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 12 2020 17:02 GMT
#278
Genuine question: how do you burn out from playing a game? It's not a stressful job.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
December 12 2020 18:04 GMT
#279
On December 13 2020 02:02 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Genuine question: how do you burn out from playing a game? It's not a stressful job.

Surely you can see how the psychological impact of 'fear of missing out' can bring about burn out with a game.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6925 Posts
December 12 2020 18:39 GMT
#280
On December 13 2020 02:02 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Genuine question: how do you burn out from playing a game? It's not a stressful job.


I am all or nothing with MMO typish games (dailies/ weeklies and stuff like that) That's how you burn out
Add to that what Firebolt said with missing out on events and primos.
I keep thinking about a game in all kinds of situations through the day, eager to test what I was thinking about.
This means and I can't just go play casually again. I have to stop completely otherwise my mind will start wandering again.

I just googled about "MMO burnout" and to my surprise that is actually a thing widely discussed.
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