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1. This question isn't as complicated as you think. There isn't some intricacy. The way I see bracers is this: they give great hp for the price, negligible agi gain, and a little mana. I used to get vanguard on jugg but I stopped because the way I play jugg I go neturals a lot. I get 3 because it's a nice balance toward the extra hp that jugg really needs [ fragile ] but if I neut I don't really get focus fired a lot and even if I do in team battles I can always pump more into stats. The 3rd bracer saves time + money and I still get pretty strong with jugg in the same amount of time if not faster. I very rarely ever need 3 bracers though. You have to understand that this 2 bracer standard comes from everyone else getting 2 bracers. [ besides obvious item details ] For example, if today everyone started getting 3 bracers, most of the other heroes would be forced to change their items accordingly.
2. Taken from the dota FAQ:
Q. What is the rate of gold generation?
A: Players get 8 gold every 7 seconds. If the game mode is -em, players will receive an additional 8 gold every 7 seconds after -em was initially typed.
Q. What is the Gold gain based on the number of deaths or kills in a roll?
A: The amount of gold gained is 100 gold + 100 + 5/lvl of hero killed + bonus; Bonus ranges from 0-400 and increases in increments of 50 gold per each additional kill after the godlike status is achieved.
Q. What is the amount of gold loss for dying?
A: Gold lost for dying is 30*hero level.
Edit: For question 1 I forgot to add that 3xbracer was much more common before vanguard was introduced. Yet another reason why I say it's worse for newbs to learn dota nowadays. A lot of more complications.
But also the reason I say icefrog should introduce more items not new heroes.
HypocRITe G_G
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the new shop should become recipe 5 and everything should be re-sorted with extra recipes/base items >__>
more items > more heroes forsure though for more diversity/options
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I agree. The more heroes there are, the less balanced the game will be. I'm not quite sure how much IceFrog is going for balance with DotA, but the more heroes there are, the more matchups that need to be accounted for, and and such, the more variables there are, which is a balancing nightmare.
And about the bracers thing: It's just that I always see 3 bracers on jugg. I always see 3 on huskar, and 3 talismans on silencer, and 3 bands on drow, and 3 bands on SA, and so on. I'm way too observant and analytical for my own good. 
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On July 27 2007 08:36 rpf wrote:I agree. The more heroes there are, the less balanced the game will be. I'm not quite sure how much IceFrog is going for balance with DotA, but the more heroes there are, the more matchups that need to be accounted for, and and such, the more variables there are, which is a balancing nightmare. And about the bracers thing: It's just that I always see 3 bracers on jugg. I always see 3 on huskar, and 3 talismans on silencer, and 3 bands on drow, and 3 bands on SA, and so on. I'm way too observant and analytical for my own good.
From what I've seen, 3 talismans is actually quite rare on Silencer; He usually goes for Midas, finishes up 1/2 Nulls, then into Bots/Euls, then Heart/Scythe. Your typical carrying Silencer.
Bracers are just gotten based on need; you usually only get 2 because, as Ack said, everyone else gets 2, and therefore they somewhat "balance" each other out. However, Morphling can mass Wraiths nicely.
Remember, you should always keep your item build flexible.
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Bump.
I have two more questions:
1. When is it appropriate to get treads over BoT? I understand that Furion is (duh) the only hero you *don't* get BoT on, but it seems like BoT is better than treads in every way minus the IAS.
Now, IAS is most important on damage dealing heroes and heroes that depend on chance on hit abilities, so are treads better than BoT on heroes like Slardar, Void, Drow, or Sniper?
2. SnY. Ugh. I hate this item. 5k gold for minimal increases in a bunch of areas. What heroes do you want this on? Or is it just me and there are better items for the same or similar price?
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never get treads. except on furion. lol
bottle first.
blink dagger on every hero who doest have it.
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Dagger isn't good on every hero, though. Heroes like sniper and drow benefit so much more from lothar's, seeing as the +agi/+dmg boosts their role superbly, plus gives them the much needed escape mechanism, whereas a dagger only gives them the escape, and many heroes have chase mechanisms, whereas lothar's keeps people from chasing you unless they have a gem/slardar ulted you/they drop wards every 10 feet.
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On August 04 2007 22:57 rpf wrote:
Bump.
I have two more questions:
1. When is it appropriate to get treads over BoT? I understand that Furion is (duh) the only hero you *don't* get BoT on, but it seems like BoT is better than treads in every way minus the IAS.
Now, IAS is most important on damage dealing heroes and heroes that depend on chance on hit abilities, so are treads better than BoT on heroes like Slardar, Void, Drow, or Sniper?
2. SnY. Ugh. I hate this item. 5k gold for minimal increases in a bunch of areas. What heroes do you want this on? Or is it just me and there are better items for the same or similar price?
1. Getting treads is up to you. If you're farming really well you can go ahead and get them, or if you have an easy game. Ideally you want to get BoT only though. I like to get treads myself on most agi heros/dpsers just cause I like the IAS and I'm not playing games where the money is gonna kill me.
2. SnY is only a great item on one hero, the bounty hunter. It's easy to farm because it's made of many cheap pieces, but for any hero there is almost ALWAYS a much better and more cost efficient item, except that item takes a lot longer time to buy the parts for. Again, ideally, SnY should not be gotten on any hero other than Bounty Hunter but again, depends on the game and your tastes.
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What about rexxar? that sounds so bad on him...
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Aye, that's me.
Hm, I guess dagger is good on anyone. At least you can just blink through trees and book it, whereas with lothar's you just have to run to safety and port out.
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On August 05 2007 00:10 HappyFeetO_O wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2007 22:57 rpf wrote:
Bump.
I have two more questions:
1. When is it appropriate to get treads over BoT? I understand that Furion is (duh) the only hero you *don't* get BoT on, but it seems like BoT is better than treads in every way minus the IAS.
Now, IAS is most important on damage dealing heroes and heroes that depend on chance on hit abilities, so are treads better than BoT on heroes like Slardar, Void, Drow, or Sniper?
2. SnY. Ugh. I hate this item. 5k gold for minimal increases in a bunch of areas. What heroes do you want this on? Or is it just me and there are better items for the same or similar price? 1. Getting treads is up to you. If you're farming really well you can go ahead and get them, or if you have an easy game. Ideally you want to get BoT only though. I like to get treads myself on most agi heros/dpsers just cause I like the IAS and I'm not playing games where the money is gonna kill me. 2. SnY is only a great item on one hero, the bounty hunter. It's easy to farm because it's made of many cheap pieces, but for any hero there is almost ALWAYS a much better and more cost efficient item, except that item takes a lot longer time to buy the parts for. Again, ideally, SnY should not be gotten on any hero other than Bounty Hunter but again, depends on the game and your tastes.
SnY is a great item as a surprise item, where it can work on a hero but there are better alternatives (more expensive). To me its like Stygian/Mael vs the MKB/Buriza/Radiance dilemma on some heroes, that first hammer is gonna help alot but overall the latter are better items.
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i recently started playing again and i'm amazed at how good the diffusal manta line on any hero that has some type of images this includes spectre/naga/pl etc.
diffusal is such a godly item, i wonder why i don't see it more often.. dirt cheap too, it almost pays for itself with the extra hero kills you get
is there a reason why it's not more popular?
btw, is there an easy way to get spectre to hop cliffs and trees to escape using the dagger skill? i've been using shift-click spam, but sometimes it fails on me and it's really frustrating when i die in those situations ;(
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Run to the tree line/cliff ledge, and click on the other side with the dagger and it should work.
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i meant her dagger skill, not the item rpf =)
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You just need to spam the shit out of it, really close to the body of the merc otherwise her AI goes stupid and messes it up
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just use small clicks and use SC micro for it. sometimes tho she goes rogue and like doesnt listen to me
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i can't find where to get some of the items at the higher level shops. are there different shops outside of the base somewhere? items like the demon edge, etc
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On August 05 2007 21:55 Meta wrote:
i can't find where to get some of the items at the higher level shops. are there different shops outside of the base somewhere? items like the demon edge, etc
Are you serious? Ask in game and someone will ping the location for you.
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