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[Interview] The WarCraft 3 sales pitch w/ RotterdaM - Page 2

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LuckyChoW
Profile Joined July 2018
4 Posts
February 21 2020 03:09 GMT
#21
I purchased a copy of Warcraft 3. If they wanted me to give it a chance, they maybe could've taken the time to tweak the economy so wood wasn't such a useless resource, and to add Progress Bars, Health Bars, and customizable hotkeys. I could never get the customizable hotkeys file to work for me.

Without these changes, I've stuck to Starcraft 2. I haven't requested a refund yet, but I won't be recommending this game to anyone.

Peace
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
February 21 2020 04:33 GMT
#22
On February 21 2020 12:09 LuckyChoW wrote:
I purchased a copy of Warcraft 3. If they wanted me to give it a chance, they maybe could've taken the time to tweak the economy so wood wasn't such a useless resource, and to add Progress Bars, Health Bars, and customizable hotkeys. I could never get the customizable hotkeys file to work for me.

Without these changes, I've stuck to Starcraft 2. I haven't requested a refund yet, but I won't be recommending this game to anyone.

Peace


If you get the chance give the game bit more time.
Wood is certainly not useless, it needs to be managed.
I'm not sure what you refer to for progress bars but health bars are there (either hold alt, or go into menu and select always show health bars). Agree on customizable hotkeys but tbh the files/presets on Reddit are good and it's easy to activate (don't forget to set keys to custom in menu).

Personally hope wc3 takes off a bit, I have fun playing even with bugs.. although lately switching to classic graphics cause of fps drops
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Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
February 21 2020 04:36 GMT
#23
On February 21 2020 12:09 LuckyChoW wrote:
I purchased a copy of Warcraft 3. If they wanted me to give it a chance, they maybe could've taken the time to tweak the economy so wood wasn't such a useless resource, and to add Progress Bars, Health Bars, and customizable hotkeys. I could never get the customizable hotkeys file to work for me.

Without these changes, I've stuck to Starcraft 2. I haven't requested a refund yet, but I won't be recommending this game to anyone.

Peace


WTF? By all means play whichever game you enjoy more, but the bold is complete nonsense. Health bars absolutely are in the game as well.

Sounds like you didn't take Rotti's last paragraph to heart either.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
Aesto
Profile Joined September 2014
44 Posts
February 21 2020 04:39 GMT
#24
On February 21 2020 12:09 LuckyChoW wrote:
I purchased a copy of Warcraft 3. If they wanted me to give it a chance, they maybe could've taken the time to tweak the economy so wood wasn't such a useless resource, and to add Progress Bars, Health Bars, and customizable hotkeys. I could never get the customizable hotkeys file to work for me.

Without these changes, I've stuck to Starcraft 2. I haven't requested a refund yet, but I won't be recommending this game to anyone.

Peace

The game does have health bars (press Alt, or turn them on permanently in the menu), the customizable hotkeys are better than SC2 (you can change not only the hotkeys but also the position of the icons, which is amazing) and they've been tweaking the game for 17 years, and in that time, nobody has ever had a problem with how wood works o.O

This is just the typical mob mentality of the gamer community whenever a game has some issues on launch. It's ridiculously overblown. They need to fix the join bug and add ladder stats, but everything else is not much of a problem. And the underlying game has always been amazing.

Great interview.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-21 04:45:47
February 21 2020 04:44 GMT
#25
Not sure if I'll watch ESL or not, but as interested as I was in reforged, my interest in the game went out the window the moment I heard about how much of a catastrophe the launch was. Even worse than remastered seemed like a difficult thing to do, but Blizzard managed to accomplish it no problem. The fact that they even rewrote the custom game thing so that they get more control is baffling to me: https://venturebeat.com/2020/01/29/blizzard-owns-your-warcraft-3-reforged-custom-games/

I'm not sure if it's been changed since I last read up on it, but it's definitely troubling. Chances are that much like RM, the team will be downsized once a certain amount of time passes and the players will be stuck with whatever state the game is in with extremely slow-released patches. Who knows though, maybe the huge backlash they got will do some good though. Best to wait and see. Hope the players who enjoy the game still manage to do it.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Bomzj
Profile Joined July 2018
Belarus24 Posts
February 21 2020 06:27 GMT
#26
Reforged is a joke, complete trash.
capacityex
Profile Joined June 2019
27 Posts
February 21 2020 08:11 GMT
#27
it was fun to partition my hard drive and install my original game after reading this, god i dont remember the game being that hard!
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
February 21 2020 08:27 GMT
#28
I'm gonna watch it, it's got Thorzain so how could I not?!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-21 09:11:16
February 21 2020 09:05 GMT
#29
As much as I used to like Wc3 (and still really enjoy to watch), I'll only watch if there's some B-Stream that shows old graphics. I can't get used to the Reforged graphics. Thankfully, basically all players don't use them, but the main stream probably will.

Also on topic: A fantastic interview, as expected from Rotti & Wax. As a Moon fanboy, I surely would have recommended some of his awesome multi expand or zeppelin micro games.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
February 21 2020 09:15 GMT
#30
Despite WarCraft being an incredibly deep and competitive RTS, it's always been a really tough sell to try and get StarCraft II fans to watch. So, we enlisted the help of Rotterdam—perhaps the biggest combined fan of SC2 and War3 in the entire world—to help with this sales pitch.

I'm not gonna support Blizzard evil strategies. What they did with the launch, EULA and other things is unforgivable.

So while I loved the interview and enjoyed, nope, nope, nope. Unless they pay me really well.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 21 2020 09:15 GMT
#31
On February 21 2020 04:26 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
*This interview has been edited and condensed.


Not sure I believe that
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 21 2020 09:20 GMT
#32
Thanks for the intervew, great to see more wc3 love!

Would love to see a warcraft 3 subsection in "other games".
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 21 2020 09:39 GMT
#33
Good Interview, Rotti always gives great insight.

I'm not going to buy reforged for several reasons , mainly I don't have enough time to game anymore.

I'm conflicted about watching the tournament though, i'm fairly anti Activision-Blizzard but I have fond memories of Dreamhack and Rotterdam talking about the deep strategy behind engagements and creep farming sounds cool.
Plus it's just a video game right so who gives a fuck.

I'll stick it on in the background while I work, like I do with most tournaments these days.
Zerg for Life
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-21 10:20:53
February 21 2020 10:20 GMT
#34
I had a lot of fun with WC3 and the custom maps back in the day. I was hoping Reforged would revive it but oh well ......

Grubby's channel is interesting to watch, I particularly enjoy the games where he play silly unorthodox strategies based on viewer requests. https://www.youtube.com/user/FollowGrubby

I would describe WC3 as somewhere between Street Fighter and Starcraft, where the positioning of armies on a larger scale is important, but so is preserving every unit and dodging individual "punches and kicks".
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Adnapsc2
Profile Joined October 2018
47 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-21 12:25:36
February 21 2020 11:52 GMT
#35
What is the point to listen the opinion of somebody being paid by blizzard? If at least the guy didnt defend a player banned from wcs recently.. Warcraft 3 reforged is a failure according to most part of the fans. Its pointless to deny this reality.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 21 2020 12:17 GMT
#36
On February 21 2020 20:52 Adnapsc2 wrote:
What is the point to listen the opinion of somebody being paid by blizzard? If at least the guy didnt defend a player banned from wcs recently.. Warcraft 3 is a failure according to most part of the fans. Its pointless to deny this reality.

Warcraft 3 is pretty much a perfect game, nobody thinks it's a failure. Reforged launched as a failed remake, but the core game is brilliant and the tournament scene and community is doing well and was already doing well before Reforged or EPT were a thing. Everybody should check it out if they haven't already.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Adnapsc2
Profile Joined October 2018
47 Posts
February 21 2020 12:27 GMT
#37
On February 21 2020 21:17 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2020 20:52 Adnapsc2 wrote:
What is the point to listen the opinion of somebody being paid by blizzard? If at least the guy didnt defend a player banned from wcs recently.. Warcraft 3 is a failure according to most part of the fans. Its pointless to deny this reality.

Warcraft 3 is pretty much a perfect game, nobody thinks it's a failure. Reforged launched as a failed remake, but the core game is brilliant and the tournament scene and community is doing well and was already doing well before Reforged or EPT were a thing. Everybody should check it out if they haven't already.

Yeah, the core game is cool. I was talking about reforged. 30 euros for this? lol
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 21 2020 12:33 GMT
#38
On February 21 2020 21:27 Adnapsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2020 21:17 Musicus wrote:
On February 21 2020 20:52 Adnapsc2 wrote:
What is the point to listen the opinion of somebody being paid by blizzard? If at least the guy didnt defend a player banned from wcs recently.. Warcraft 3 is a failure according to most part of the fans. Its pointless to deny this reality.

Warcraft 3 is pretty much a perfect game, nobody thinks it's a failure. Reforged launched as a failed remake, but the core game is brilliant and the tournament scene and community is doing well and was already doing well before Reforged or EPT were a thing. Everybody should check it out if they haven't already.

Yeah, the core game is cool. I was talking about reforged. 30 euros for this? lol

Yeah there is most certainly no need to buy reforged at all. Not worth the money if you have classic keys already. But if you use ctrl + f and type reforged you will see that reforged is not even mentioned once in the interview. They are talking about wc3 the esport, Rotti never did any advertising for reforged or defended Blizzard.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
February 21 2020 12:36 GMT
#39
On February 21 2020 20:52 Adnapsc2 wrote:
What is the point to listen the opinion of somebody being paid by blizzard? If at least the guy didnt defend a player banned from wcs recently.. Warcraft 3 reforged is a failure according to most part of the fans. Its pointless to deny this reality.

Is he wrong about what made WC3 special to him? Which is most of what the interview talked about.

It is worth noting that ESL announced WC3 was part of their circuit a good bit before Reforged actually launched.

I’m sure some of the casting and player talent that committed to such ventures are as pissed as many of the rest of us with the Reforged launch, but it’s difficult to savage something when you’ve got skin in the game, maybe contracts at play etc.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1168 Posts
February 21 2020 12:42 GMT
#40
On February 21 2020 21:17 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2020 20:52 Adnapsc2 wrote:
What is the point to listen the opinion of somebody being paid by blizzard? If at least the guy didnt defend a player banned from wcs recently.. Warcraft 3 is a failure according to most part of the fans. Its pointless to deny this reality.

Warcraft 3 is pretty much a perfect game, nobody thinks it's a failure. Reforged launched as a failed remake, but the core game is brilliant and the tournament scene and community is doing well and was already doing well before Reforged or EPT were a thing. Everybody should check it out if they haven't already.


A perfect game with about 30 balance patches in the course of about 5 years, doesn't sound so perfect to me.

And WC:Refunded is a joke.
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
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