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On February 21 2020 21:36 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2020 20:52 Adnapsc2 wrote:
What is the point to listen the opinion of somebody being paid by blizzard? If at least the guy didnt defend a player banned from wcs recently.. Warcraft 3 reforged is a failure according to most part of the fans. Its pointless to deny this reality. Is he wrong about what made WC3 special to him? Which is most of what the interview talked about. It is worth noting that ESL announced WC3 was part of their circuit a good bit before Reforged actually launched. I’m sure some of the casting and player talent that committed to such ventures are as pissed as many of the rest of us with the Reforged launch, but it’s difficult to savage something when you’ve got skin in the game, maybe contracts at play etc.
Bro, this article is named "Give warcraft 3 a chance?". Its all about defending and promoting warcraft 3 reforged.
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I spent years of my life making custom maps for WC3 and was probably one of the most excited people for Reforged.
But now my interest in WC3 is completely dead.
And refunded.
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I watched Grubby go 34-0 the other day
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On February 21 2020 21:50 Adnapsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2020 21:36 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 21 2020 20:52 Adnapsc2 wrote:
What is the point to listen the opinion of somebody being paid by blizzard? If at least the guy didnt defend a player banned from wcs recently.. Warcraft 3 reforged is a failure according to most part of the fans. Its pointless to deny this reality. Is he wrong about what made WC3 special to him? Which is most of what the interview talked about. It is worth noting that ESL announced WC3 was part of their circuit a good bit before Reforged actually launched. I’m sure some of the casting and player talent that committed to such ventures are as pissed as many of the rest of us with the Reforged launch, but it’s difficult to savage something when you’ve got skin in the game, maybe contracts at play etc. Bro, this article is named "Give warcraft 3 a chance?". Its all about defending and promoting warcraft 3 reforged.
I get payed by blizzard? :D I get payed by blizzard in the same way you get payed by blizzard, if playing a blizzard game means you get payed by blizzard then I guess we are colleagues now, in that case you should be a little less salty on the ladder and take your terrible 1 base all in losses as a man 
Also mate, I am not defending anything blizzard did or has done in this interview. Wax asked me to hope on voice and answer questions he had for me, I even said the majority of my focus now is on StarCraft so I don't think I'd be perfect for this but he told me to just do it and will ask about the past.
Should I suddenly not have warm memories of Wc3 because they messed up the Reforged launch? I say nothing positive about it at all, all the love in this Interview is love for the actual game, and Wc3 is one of the best games ever made imo. The tournament cirquit was also already announced before the bad launch, so not exactly sure what you're upset about unless you suddenly want me not love a game I played every day of my life for 7-8 years straight or just decline interviews because Blizzard made a booboo? Seems a bit odd.
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On February 21 2020 22:12 RotterdaM wrote:
it's nice to see you working hard to bring back and promote a game you have a lot of passion for rotti. A lot of us love wc3 too but were very disappointed by the remake. Only the community can save it from here on now.
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The game was great and I loved it until I got sick of it. The meta ended up being shit imo. As an orc, fuck talons, fuck sorceress, fuck this damn T2 forever, this damn BM 1st all the damn time, fuck Demon Hunter, fuck tower rush, fuck those same maps since forever, fuck those boars. It was just lame strats all around. And half the units and heroes were worthless or very niche at best.
Maybe four races was too many.
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France13011 Posts
Cool interview thanks!
Will definitely tune in for the WC3:R tournament at Dreamhack Anaheim
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Czech Republic12132 Posts
On February 21 2020 22:12 RotterdaM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2020 21:50 Adnapsc2 wrote:On February 21 2020 21:36 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 21 2020 20:52 Adnapsc2 wrote:
What is the point to listen the opinion of somebody being paid by blizzard? If at least the guy didnt defend a player banned from wcs recently.. Warcraft 3 reforged is a failure according to most part of the fans. Its pointless to deny this reality. Is he wrong about what made WC3 special to him? Which is most of what the interview talked about. It is worth noting that ESL announced WC3 was part of their circuit a good bit before Reforged actually launched. I’m sure some of the casting and player talent that committed to such ventures are as pissed as many of the rest of us with the Reforged launch, but it’s difficult to savage something when you’ve got skin in the game, maybe contracts at play etc. Bro, this article is named "Give warcraft 3 a chance?". Its all about defending and promoting warcraft 3 reforged. I get payed by blizzard? :D I get payed by blizzard in the same way you get payed by blizzard, if playing a blizzard game means you get payed by blizzard then I guess we are colleagues now, in that case you should be a little less salty on the ladder and take your terrible 1 base all in losses as a man Also mate, I am not defending anything blizzard did or has done in this interview. Wax asked me to hope on voice and answer questions he had for me, I even said the majority of my focus now is on StarCraft so I don't think I'd be perfect for this but he told me to just do it and will ask about the past. Should I suddenly not have warm memories of Wc3 because they messed up the Reforged launch? I say nothing positive about it at all, all the love in this Interview is love for the actual game, and Wc3 is one of the best games ever made imo. The tournament cirquit was also already announced before the bad launch, so not exactly sure what you're upset about unless you suddenly want me not love a game I played every day of my life for 7-8 years straight or just decline interviews because Blizzard made a booboo? Seems a bit odd.
Yes, also you're supposed to send everyone of us a formal apology in the form of signed shirtless photo of you 
Love you, hope WC3 won't take you from SC2 
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On February 21 2020 21:42 BlueStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2020 21:17 Musicus wrote:On February 21 2020 20:52 Adnapsc2 wrote:
What is the point to listen the opinion of somebody being paid by blizzard? If at least the guy didnt defend a player banned from wcs recently.. Warcraft 3 is a failure according to most part of the fans. Its pointless to deny this reality. Warcraft 3 is pretty much a perfect game, nobody thinks it's a failure. Reforged launched as a failed remake, but the core game is brilliant and the tournament scene and community is doing well and was already doing well before Reforged or EPT were a thing. Everybody should check it out if they haven't already. A perfect game with about 30 balance patches in the course of about 5 years, doesn't sound so perfect to me. And WC:Refunded is a joke.
SC2 had about 40 balance patches. What are you even talking about? Continued support for the game is always good and patches help with revitalizing the meta.
WC3 is pretty perfect when it comes to core mechanics and gameplay, balance patches are usually just very minor tweaks anyway.
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United States33671 Posts
While Reforged has certainly been a disaster on the whole, one might say Blizzard working together with ESL to launch a meaningful pro-gaming circuit is actually the one GOOD element of Reforged that you should support 
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On February 21 2020 23:21 nojok wrote:
The game was great and I loved it until I got sick of it. The meta ended up being shit imo. As an orc, fuck talons, fuck sorceress, fuck this damn T2 forever, this damn BM 1st all the damn time, fuck Demon Hunter, fuck tower rush, fuck those same maps since forever, fuck those boars. It was just lame strats all around. And half the units and heroes were worthless or very niche at best.
Maybe four races was too many.
You should probably watch more recent games then, as many of those meta units you listed are either no longer in style or not the only strategy for their respective races. The strategies have greatly evolved and the match ups are more player or map specific than race specific.
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The designs/functionality of the game was holding up even against the latest RTS(and its 1 unit controlling successors) LoL didn't even replay functions until 3 years ago or so. All that was needed was a repeat of BW remaster to make the game completely modernized. This has to be some higher-up decisions because SC remaster didn't do so hot, and someone figured whatever is on reforged is more important than the game itself. WC3 really deserved better a second chance, and I am actually upset by this Reforged ordeal.
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On February 22 2020 04:28 Waxangel wrote:While Reforged has certainly been a disaster on the whole, one might say Blizzard working together with ESL to launch a meaningful pro-gaming circuit is actually the one GOOD element of Reforged that you should support
I can tolerate technical incompetence, not being able to finish things within a deadline, and even the scaling back of the more ambitious cinematics that were previously advertised because I know that's too much for a small team of likely recently-graduated newly-hireds that have to deal with along with the unwieldy corporate bureaucracy (with Bobby "We have a real culture of thrift" Kotick at the top) that the Blizzard of the early 2000s had less of. See this interview with former Blizzard North employees for more on how Blizzard has changed. Anyway, judging by what happened with Starcraft Remastered they probably would be able to fix most of the technical glitches and lack of ranked ladder within a year or two. Far from ideal, but I could see myself defending the game in the long term if those were the only problems.
What isn't acceptable is the new exclusive-ownership custom game EULA. That's not technical incompetence, that's sleazy lawyerly scheming that no other multiplayer game with custom modding capabilities has. It tells the customers and their fans that the new Activision Blizzard is more interested in swindling and asset-stripping from them rather than creating a quality product.
"We're sorry to those of you who didn't have the experience you wanted. Oh and fuck you, loyal fans who helped the Warcraft 3 multiplayer scene thrive for years. Hand over all your custom assets NOW! New rule: I don't want to see any custom games with South Park content because that's: a) third party, and b) inappropriate and obscene!"
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Another great creepy-Rotti title image. Another great interview.
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Wow, a lengthy interview about WC3 without mentioning Reforged once? That is... odd.
edit: I understand that the goal of the interview is to promote WC3, but doing that without addressing the controversy just seems so weird to me. It's like trying to sell a house that is on fire by pointing out how sturdy the walls are.
Also I can't help but be a bit disappointed by the interview. Usually interviews on TL are very comprehensive and especially both Rotti and Wax are known to not mince matters. An interview which avoids talking about the elephant in the room is the exact opposite of that.
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pre ordered it back in december 2018. and wasn't happy about the game after it came.
BUT... i completed single missions and got a refund. so, small victory against blizzard in my eyes.
always was a fan of w3 single player but multiplayer was boring as hell. if you compare it with scbw of sc2.
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You'd have to pay me money to play Reforged, yet Dreamhack is charging 100 USD (2,000 views! Wow! Popular!)
LOL like I'm ever giving Blizzard another cent. They've already made many BILLIONS and this is what we get? LOL wake up people.
I feel bad for the scene - everyone. Hive Workshop, Grubby, B2W, everyone. Especially cringey is seeing people convince themselves that it's actually not a sh*t sandwich they're voluntarily scarfing down.
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Russian Federation367 Posts
- Give a chance to Reforged!
- Thorzain vs Moon games happen.
- Moon proceeded to win a whole tournament.
Just let the game die peacefully.
p.s. After all people that are still want to play wc3 can enjoy it on the old version.
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I never understood pushing art/aesthetics in the RTS genre. It's a feat in itself to make something look worse 18 years later.
Updating and adding new textures to the existing units would have sufficed just fine.
Not adding in-game customized and account/profile based hotkeys and other features that players care about is inexcusable. Worse is being completely ignorant to what people want and things that would be deemed as improvements to the game.
Maybe they'll get everything right in a few years. The success AoE2 has had with going from HD to DE keeps me hopeful. At least HD was an improvement in functionality, and other aspects. Reforged has actually detracted from the original.
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If anything, i would say this stinking pile of thrash don't deserve any sales pitch at all.
If getting disconnected twice in a tournament and costing Thorzain a win does not indicate how rubbish this is, nothing will.
Anyone who still wants to pitch this bs needs to be shamed.
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