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Kaz1
Profile Joined April 2015
35 Posts
December 23 2022 14:42 GMT
#861
On December 17 2022 02:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MrLlamaSC has been going through every D4 character class and providing other helpful videos:
https://www.youtube.com/@MrLlamaSC/videos


Tbh, I can't watch his stuff. After looking at his vids on D2 builds and seeing him say with a straight face that chaos sanctuary is a hard place for a palidin to level...ummm ya...and saying how buff he was and as he proceeded to teleport passed everything. Then for builds, he just shows totally end game gear (which he still did not discuss other options...that are franky just better, etc. Just cannot take him seriously at all.

Sadly, this is another in the franchise I have no interest in. I do hope that folks enjoy it, but I will be staying away from this title.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 18 2023 21:24 GMT
#862
Bump. Upcoming beta approaching for those that pre-ordered. System requirements still not released should be soon. On March 24-26th everyone can take part.

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23916442/your-guide-to-the-diablo-iv-open-beta
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17601 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-19 03:28:53
February 19 2023 03:28 GMT
#863
On December 23 2022 23:42 Kaz1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2022 02:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MrLlamaSC has been going through every D4 character class and providing other helpful videos:
https://www.youtube.com/@MrLlamaSC/videos


Tbh, I can't watch his stuff. After looking at his vids on D2 builds and seeing him say with a straight face that chaos sanctuary is a hard place for a palidin to level...ummm ya...and saying how buff he was and as he proceeded to teleport passed everything. Then for builds, he just shows totally end game gear (which he still did not discuss other options...that are franky just better, etc. Just cannot take him seriously at all.

Sadly, this is another in the franchise I have no interest in. I do hope that folks enjoy it, but I will be staying away from this title.


MrLlama is great. The only problem he has is that he also fell into the trap common for people who've spent 20k+ hours in a game: their perspective is a bit skewed. If you're making a guide video most people that are going to view it will be beginners or intermediate people looking for some next step. Showing builds that revolve around some ultra rare drops is not really the way to go (might be different if you labeled the guide as "expert level" or something).

I know a lot of people have quit games (not just D2) because they looked up builds and it's stuff that's unattainable for them for the next 6+ months of playing.

It's the same thing you sometimes see with games like Guild Wars 2, all is cool and dandy but then you look up guides for DPS and you see that your "opener" in a fight is an 18-step process and if you don't know your whole 40-step rotation by heart to the point of muscle memory people don't want to see you in raids etc. Shit like that really kills games.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8785 Posts
February 19 2023 03:52 GMT
#864
yeah mrllama is an overall great d2 content creator. the only problem with "guides" on youtube is that even the budget guides assume that you play multiplayer. none of the guides out there are truly ssf tailored because anyone who plays ssf will realise that item builds mean fuck all because it relies on you having to actually find it, which is going to be unlikely on first time playthroughs.

so for genuine noobs, the best advice is to just wear whatever is best out of what drops for you. then the discussion needs to be moved to what skill build to use assuming you dont have the items you want, and a lot of people including mrllama seem to include disclaimers at least that x build isnt the build to beeline for during progression. use y build until a certain lvl or until you have certain breakpoints then respec, etc.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 19 2023 18:06 GMT
#865
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4235 Posts
February 19 2023 18:46 GMT
#866
On February 19 2023 12:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah mrllama is an overall great d2 content creator. the only problem with "guides" on youtube is that even the budget guides assume that you play multiplayer. none of the guides out there are truly ssf tailored because anyone who plays ssf will realise that item builds mean fuck all because it relies on you having to actually find it, which is going to be unlikely on first time playthroughs.

so for genuine noobs, the best advice is to just wear whatever is best out of what drops for you. then the discussion needs to be moved to what skill build to use assuming you dont have the items you want, and a lot of people including mrllama seem to include disclaimers at least that x build isnt the build to beeline for during progression. use y build until a certain lvl or until you have certain breakpoints then respec, etc.


well to be fair to him, he also says what you are saying a lot, such as "or whatever item you find that has X". I feel like people "watch" videos with no sound and jumping a lot and then get a very skewed perspective.

Besides, he does have a million videos with "let's play" that start from lvl one and finish hell with a ssf character and build of choice for that guide. So he has the tools for even total beginers. Hell my 63 yo father picked up one of his guides and finished hell for the first time in his life in D2R. So his stuff does help complete noobs.

I do agree that some/most of his 15 min summaries show a ton of items that you need to farm or a lot (a LOOOT) of luck to drop on a single playthrough. Then again, they are showing your target for a specific build and a couple of alternatives, they are not a show of what to use in a regular single hell run. (for context, the videos were made to support the summaries in icy veins. Its a visiual thing for the text of the items that you are looking for in a specific build that appears there).

And I do have my gripes with some of his content, not a fanboy or something, I just don't personally agree with the above opinions
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8623 Posts
February 19 2023 18:58 GMT
#867
On February 19 2023 06:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bump. Upcoming beta approaching for those that pre-ordered. System requirements still not released should be soon. On March 24-26th everyone can take part.

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23916442/your-guide-to-the-diablo-iv-open-beta


hell yeah, get your preorders ready guys! /$

+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry, couldn't resist =(
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22046 Posts
February 19 2023 20:53 GMT
#868
They give a free for everyone open beta weekend and people still bitch, sigh

There is no pleasing some.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8623 Posts
February 19 2023 23:13 GMT
#869
I was just making a joke but sure, if you want to take it seriously: They still charge people money for more and earlier access to an unfinished product. The fact that adding a "free" _open_ beta is now considered generous tells you a whole lot about the industry and its consumer market.

I think there are ways to please me. Blizzard is just very consistent when it comes to not ticking any of the necessary boxes. And not just Blizzard, just to make that clear.
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada508 Posts
February 20 2023 05:37 GMT
#870
On February 20 2023 08:13 Miragee wrote:
I was just making a joke but sure, if you want to take it seriously: They still charge people money for more and earlier access to an unfinished product. The fact that adding a "free" _open_ beta is now considered generous tells you a whole lot about the industry and its consumer market.

I think there are ways to please me. Blizzard is just very consistent when it comes to not ticking any of the necessary boxes. And not just Blizzard, just to make that clear.


What would you have preferred for Blizzard to do in this situation to please you since announcing the open beta has not?
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10135 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-20 10:10:14
February 20 2023 10:08 GMT
#871
On February 20 2023 05:53 Gorsameth wrote:
They give a free for everyone open beta weekend and people still bitch, sigh

There is no pleasing some.

Pretty sure an open beta has a purpose other than "give people free stuff".
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8623 Posts
February 20 2023 10:22 GMT
#872
On February 20 2023 14:37 cha0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2023 08:13 Miragee wrote:
I was just making a joke but sure, if you want to take it seriously: They still charge people money for more and earlier access to an unfinished product. The fact that adding a "free" _open_ beta is now considered generous tells you a whole lot about the industry and its consumer market.

I think there are ways to please me. Blizzard is just very consistent when it comes to not ticking any of the necessary boxes. And not just Blizzard, just to make that clear.


What would you have preferred for Blizzard to do in this situation to please you since announcing the open beta has not?


The news that they have decided to not tie any beta or headstarts to the preorder anymore. Not that this would have made me buy the game but I would have praised them for that. To be fair, in this exact situation with all the news they had already put out regarding preorder "benefits" that is not a step one could have expected from Blizzard in good faith because they had already committed and walking the decision back would have angered a lot of people who had already preordered. So yes, in this exact instance there was no pleasing me indeed.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7028 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-20 13:28:21
February 20 2023 13:28 GMT
#873
It's kinda their sales model to force people to put in preorders who wanna play somewhat "competitive" (meaning also Streamers and stuff because if you don't stream the earliest possible someone else will take your place and viewers).
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2023 03:42 GMT
#874
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17601 Posts
February 22 2023 04:54 GMT
#875
TBH I can't really get excited for this game. It kinda looks like discount PoE/LA. I guess it just proves that Blizzard is now creatively bankrupt.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7028 Posts
February 22 2023 07:34 GMT
#876
I'll play it eventually if it is a decent solo experience and if the reviews are decent. I'm not interested at all in the MMO aspect
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17601 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-22 10:42:20
February 22 2023 10:38 GMT
#877
On February 22 2023 16:34 Harris1st wrote:
I'll play it eventually if it is a decent solo experience and if the reviews are decent. I'm not interested at all in the MMO aspect


If anything the MMO aspect is more of a deterrent for me than an incentive. But I guess that's also the result of me never being a fan of multi-player in Diablo games, it's fun from time to time with your friends but overall a mostly pointless mode in this kind of game IMO.

I believe most people only really use multi-player for trading. This can just as well be achieved without any real multi-player, just have a shared auction house somewhere but the game be single player experience. Would actually be an innovative concept, where you'd only need Internet connection when going to the trading hub but could play offline everywhere else.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11713 Posts
February 22 2023 10:46 GMT
#878
On February 22 2023 19:38 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2023 16:34 Harris1st wrote:
I'll play it eventually if it is a decent solo experience and if the reviews are decent. I'm not interested at all in the MMO aspect


If anything the MMO aspect is more of a deterrent for me than an incentive. But I guess that's also the result of me never being a fan of multi-player in Diablo games, it's fun from time to time with your friends but overall a mostly pointless mode in this kind of game IMO.

I believe most people only really use multi-player for trading. This can just as well be achieved without any real multi-player, just have a shared auction house somewhere but the game be single player experience. Would actually be an innovative concept, where you'd only need Internet connection when going to the trading hub but could play offline everywhere else.


Yeah, but it is really hard to sell skins and boosts in a singleplayer game. Sometimes it works, but it works a lot better in multiplayer games.
studaos
Profile Joined February 2023
8 Posts
February 22 2023 11:23 GMT
#879
On February 22 2023 13:54 Manit0u wrote:
TBH I can't really get excited for this game. It kinda looks like discount PoE/LA. I guess it just proves that Blizzard is now creatively bankrupt.

Quick reminder of what Path of Exile looks like
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8623 Posts
February 22 2023 15:34 GMT
#880
On February 22 2023 19:38 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2023 16:34 Harris1st wrote:
I'll play it eventually if it is a decent solo experience and if the reviews are decent. I'm not interested at all in the MMO aspect


I believe most people only really use multi-player for trading. This can just as well be achieved without any real multi-player, just have a shared auction house somewhere but the game be single player experience. Would actually be an innovative concept, where you'd only need Internet connection when going to the trading hub but could play offline everywhere else.


Nice idea but it wouldn't work. If you can play offline, all data needs to be saved on your hard drive, which means you can manipulate your items in whichever way you want. This is basically an open battlenet scenario without any of the multiplayer stuff except trading, which is pointless because you can either make your own items or buy items someone else made.

Honestly, I'm much more in favour of hub multiplayers like PoE or GW. Now more than ever. D2 was similar, having hubs (chat rooms), but the other two examples took it a step further ingame. So, have instanced hubs with other players for trading, party forming (if you like), chatting and once you step outside you are on your own or with your party.
Offline modes need to be seperated for aforementioned reason(s).
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