On July 25 2023 12:58 thePunGun wrote: The stash thing is probably a remnant of diablo 3 and it made sense coding it that way back then for the real money auction house, is my best guess. They probably just copy pasted everything inventory management code related, made some minor adjustments after testing it and called it a day. Which obviously isn't the smartest thing to do, but chosing the less time consuming method is sadly the new Blizzard way by the looks of it. Prime example of that is OW2 and D4 sadly seems to be following that mo.
Wasn't Diablo 3's stash larger though? Or does it just feel larger because players don't need to fill it with aspects?
On July 25 2023 12:58 thePunGun wrote: The stash thing is probably a remnant of diablo 3 and it made sense coding it that way back then for the real money auction house, is my best guess. They probably just copy pasted everything inventory management code related, made some minor adjustments after testing it and called it a day. Which obviously isn't the smartest thing to do, but chosing the less time consuming method is sadly the new Blizzard way by the looks of it. Prime example of that is OW2 and D4 sadly seems to be following that mo.
Wasn't Diablo 3's stash larger though? Or does it just feel larger because players don't need to fill it with aspects?
In D3 at least not everything took the same amount of space. You know, probably a chipped gem or a ring shouldn't really take the same real estate as a platemail...
And Blizz devs should probably also refrain from making public statements because it's been hurting them quite badly recently.
On July 25 2023 12:58 thePunGun wrote: The stash thing is probably a remnant of diablo 3 and it made sense coding it that way back then for the real money auction house, is my best guess. They probably just copy pasted everything inventory management code related, made some minor adjustments after testing it and called it a day. Which obviously isn't the smartest thing to do, but chosing the less time consuming method is sadly the new Blizzard way by the looks of it. Prime example of that is OW2 and D4 sadly seems to be following that mo.
Wasn't Diablo 3's stash larger though? Or does it just feel larger because players don't need to fill it with aspects?
In D3 at least not everything took the same amount of space. You know, probably a chipped gem or a ring shouldn't really take the same real estate as a platemail...
And Blizz devs should probably also refrain from making public statements because it's been hurting them quite badly recently.
I find this way of presenting highly annoying, just post the full tweets and don't jump back and forth cutting the posts in half. How the fuck am I supposed to get what part he agrees with and what context the other dude gave if you cut them peacemeal? The other guy is literally an indie dev and he could be talking about indie dev things and Balser could be agreeing with him on indie development.
Also twitter is a car crash in the making, I can't even see tweets without logging in anymore and the X login site looks like my last graphics card when it started dying.
And yes, Larian is an independent studio that spends all their time developing the same game type, the third game of this type in the last 8 years, which is also what everyone expects them to make. You would presume that they have become quite good at it.
Blizzard is a studio owned by a corporate giant that made one game of this type in the last 20 years and from what I read has a high turnover of personnel and the sub-studio that made the most celebrated entry of their series was closed 18 years ago. If you're expecting D4 to be the same labor of love and polish then yes, you have unrealistic expectations. AAA studios don't put out products with that level of polish.
On July 25 2023 12:58 thePunGun wrote: The stash thing is probably a remnant of diablo 3 and it made sense coding it that way back then for the real money auction house, is my best guess. They probably just copy pasted everything inventory management code related, made some minor adjustments after testing it and called it a day. Which obviously isn't the smartest thing to do, but chosing the less time consuming method is sadly the new Blizzard way by the looks of it. Prime example of that is OW2 and D4 sadly seems to be following that mo.
Wasn't Diablo 3's stash larger though? Or does it just feel larger because players don't need to fill it with aspects?
In D3 at least not everything took the same amount of space. You know, probably a chipped gem or a ring shouldn't really take the same real estate as a platemail...
And Blizz devs should probably also refrain from making public statements because it's been hurting them quite badly recently.
If you're expecting D4 to be the same labor of love and polish then yes, you have unrealistic expectations. AAA studios don't put out products with that level of polish.
Isn't Elden Ring "AAA" though?? Just checked and interestingly, FromSoftware is owned 66% by a japanese media conglomerate, 16% chinese tech conglomerate, 14% sony.
On July 26 2023 02:25 Archeon wrote: If you're expecting D4 to be the same labor of love and polish then yes, you have unrealistic expectations. AAA studios don't put out products with that level of polish.
But why are my expectations unrealistic? If they have a lot more money, 20x the manpower and access to all the tech they want why shouldn't I be expecting more from them than smaller studios?
They take longer to develop, deliver inferior product and charge more for it. This doesn't make any sense at all and if your argument is going to be "this is just the current reality and you have to accept it" then I can tell you right away that I refuse to accept this as a norm. Why should I lower my expectations and not hold big AAA studios to the same standards as everyone else if they want more of my money than the others?
yeah i agree with manitou that we should be holding companies like blizzard to a higher standard, not just because of their past success but simply because of their sheer size and capability.
this trend of just accepting defeat and not holding people accountable to things is exactly how companies like blizzard were able to let their standards drop with no repercussion
On July 26 2023 02:25 Archeon wrote: If you're expecting D4 to be the same labor of love and polish then yes, you have unrealistic expectations. AAA studios don't put out products with that level of polish.
But why are my expectations unrealistic? If they have a lot more money, 20x the manpower and access to all the tech they want why shouldn't I be expecting more from them than smaller studios?
They take longer to develop, deliver inferior product and charge more for it. This doesn't make any sense at all and if your argument is going to be "this is just the current reality and you have to accept it" then I can tell you right away that I refuse to accept this as a norm. Why should I lower my expectations and not hold big AAA studios to the same standards as everyone else if they want more of my money than the others?
Agreed! But to be honest: We all knew what Diablo 4 would be like and we bought in anyways. Shame on us
On July 25 2023 12:58 thePunGun wrote: The stash thing is probably a remnant of diablo 3 and it made sense coding it that way back then for the real money auction house, is my best guess. They probably just copy pasted everything inventory management code related, made some minor adjustments after testing it and called it a day. Which obviously isn't the smartest thing to do, but chosing the less time consuming method is sadly the new Blizzard way by the looks of it. Prime example of that is OW2 and D4 sadly seems to be following that mo.
Wasn't Diablo 3's stash larger though? Or does it just feel larger because players don't need to fill it with aspects?
In D3 at least not everything took the same amount of space. You know, probably a chipped gem or a ring shouldn't really take the same real estate as a platemail...
And Blizz devs should probably also refrain from making public statements because it's been hurting them quite badly recently.
If you're expecting D4 to be the same labor of love and polish then yes, you have unrealistic expectations. AAA studios don't put out products with that level of polish.
Isn't Elden Ring "AAA" though?? Just checked and interestingly, FromSoftware is owned 66% by a japanese media conglomerate, 16% chinese tech conglomerate, 14% sony.
AAA studio can be run correctly, the point was that Blizzard is not run correctly to make a great game. It is run to reach a certain level using ressources available.
It is sad, but in dev in general the amount of ressources do not replace talent. And talent cannot strive in toxic environment. The equation is not a simple equation to nail, you need to be organised to survive any member of the team leaving, yet you need such level of expertise that usually, there are none on the market, so you need to find by miracle someone or head hunt.
On July 26 2023 02:25 Archeon wrote: If you're expecting D4 to be the same labor of love and polish then yes, you have unrealistic expectations. AAA studios don't put out products with that level of polish.
But why are my expectations unrealistic? If they have a lot more money, 20x the manpower and access to all the tech they want why shouldn't I be expecting more from them than smaller studios?
They take longer to develop, deliver inferior product and charge more for it. This doesn't make any sense at all and if your argument is going to be "this is just the current reality and you have to accept it" then I can tell you right away that I refuse to accept this as a norm. Why should I lower my expectations and not hold big AAA studios to the same standards as everyone else if they want more of my money than the others?
Agreed! But to be honest: We all knew what Diablo 4 would be like and we bought in anyways. Shame on us
D4 is the last blizz game I will buy on release. Not going to let my childhood joys of wc, diablo, and sc dictate what I do now. Blizz has to earn my money moving forward
On July 26 2023 18:08 0x64 wrote: I'm not hopeful, but I'm not desperate.
It's weird how the more time pass, the more I gain respect for D2.
When it came out, I took it for granted, blizzard had such a solid track record.
I am sure D4 will be much better than D3.
Diablo 2? Isnt that the game with basically unplayable Battle.net, completely infested with hacker? Do you guys ignore that on purpose?
The fact that bots exist doesn't change my massive enjoyment of Diablo 2. Not sure why you think it's unplayable; it's incredibly playable.
So if Diablo 4 would have the massive amount of botting, duping and hacking you wouldnt complain about that, or? Because that seems like a sidenote to you
On July 26 2023 18:08 0x64 wrote: I'm not hopeful, but I'm not desperate.
It's weird how the more time pass, the more I gain respect for D2.
When it came out, I took it for granted, blizzard had such a solid track record.
I am sure D4 will be much better than D3.
Diablo 2? Isnt that the game with basically unplayable Battle.net, completely infested with hacker? Do you guys ignore that on purpose?
The fact that bots exist doesn't change my massive enjoyment of Diablo 2. Not sure why you think it's unplayable; it's incredibly playable.
So if Diablo 4 would have the massive amount of botting, duping and hacking you wouldnt complain about that, or? Because that seems like a sidenote to you
I'm not sure why I need to repeat myself, but I'll do it one time: Again, that's not a big issue for me, personally. Other people might not like it, and it's surely preferable to have zero bots or hackers, but they're not affecting my personal experience of the game. I still enjoyed Diablo 2, despite other people cheating, and I'd still enjoy Diablo 4. If you made a TL account just to shit on Diablo 2 in a Diablo 4 thread, then it doesn't look like you'll be hanging around very long.
you do realise its the same loser thats been posting unconditional pro-d4/blizzard stuff for months now? im 90% sure hes on blizzards marketing teams payroll at this point. im actually hoping this is the case, for his sake.
On July 26 2023 18:08 0x64 wrote: I'm not hopeful, but I'm not desperate.
It's weird how the more time pass, the more I gain respect for D2.
When it came out, I took it for granted, blizzard had such a solid track record.
I am sure D4 will be much better than D3.
Diablo 2? Isnt that the game with basically unplayable Battle.net, completely infested with hacker? Do you guys ignore that on purpose?
The fact that bots exist doesn't change my massive enjoyment of Diablo 2. Not sure why you think it's unplayable; it's incredibly playable.
So if Diablo 4 would have the massive amount of botting, duping and hacking you wouldnt complain about that, or? Because that seems like a sidenote to you
as someone who only plays singleplayer in D2, not cause of botting and hacking but because I simply prefer that, I do not care about what goes on on Battle.net
On July 26 2023 20:49 evilfatsh1t wrote: you do realise its the same loser thats been posting unconditional pro-d4/blizzard stuff for months now? im 90% sure hes on blizzards marketing teams payroll at this point. im actually hoping this is the case, for his sake.
He's shitting on Diablo 2; I wouldn't consider that to be a pro-Blizzard take. Either way, he's almost certainly a troll, so I won't be engaging with him any further.
On July 26 2023 21:23 Manit0u wrote: It's his 15th account in this thread or something. Does nothing but post a one-liner to stir shit up and gets banned.
At this point for a split-second I wondered why he hasn't been IP banned yet, but then I remember its 2023 and everyone has easy access to a VPN to that wouldn't even stop him...
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