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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
March 04 2017 04:21 GMT
#601
One way or another, I'll eventually get the switch for smash and FE. Considering i can get botw on wii u, I might just do that...
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-04 04:31:09
March 04 2017 04:30 GMT
#602
I'm for sure going to get it, the question is when. Maybe for Mario Kart, maybe for Splatoon 2, maybe only for Skyrim (never played it). Who knows, maybe a long time from now for Fire Emblem or Monster Hunter ;D. But it's a must buy.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3260 Posts
March 04 2017 05:50 GMT
#603
^with how active the Skyrim mod scene is/was, I definitely would recommend to get it for pc.

For me the two titles that would make me buy the console would either be a good Metroid or a good F-zero. I liked FE a lot more on handheld so far. I have zero trust in Nintendo that smash NX is gonna top melee, if they make one.
I'd prolly buy it for a big pokemon-rpg, but that would be a first on a "home" console.

Overall I've got to say that the handheld series have a lot more draw for me.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
March 04 2017 06:05 GMT
#604
On March 04 2017 13:30 ZenithM wrote:
I'm for sure going to get it, the question is when. Maybe for Mario Kart, maybe for Splatoon 2, maybe only for Skyrim (never played it). Who knows, maybe a long time from now for Fire Emblem or Monster Hunter ;D. But it's a must buy.

as far as fire emblem goes, warriors will prob come out around september, FE16 will come sometime next year, and probably FE Echoes Holy War if SoV sells well
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-04 06:12:35
March 04 2017 06:11 GMT
#605
I would expect FE16 to be a mainline title before they do an FE4 remake. It would be too controversial to risk as the flagship title on a new system.

More likely they'll release a safe Awakening/Birthright-esque title to appease the newer fanbase before proceeding with the remake to appease grumpy old fans.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 04 2017 06:20 GMT
#606
Count me among the people who don't like to buy a console for just one game. Once it gets it to two with more on the way soon, I'll pull the trigger. BotW is not really my genre but the game looks good enough for me to add it to the list. One more game, maybe xenoblade or pokemon or something else, and I'll buy, preferably after the price drops.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
March 04 2017 06:33 GMT
#607
On March 04 2017 15:11 TheYango wrote:
I would expect FE16 to be a mainline title before they do an FE4 remake. It would be too controversial to risk as the flagship title on a new system.

More likely they'll release a safe Awakening/Birthright-esque title to appease the newer fanbase before proceeding with the remake to appease grumpy old fans.

Oh yea for sure, the FE Switch announced in the direct will be a continuation of 3ds emblem...but there is still hope the following title will be Jugdral or Elibe
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DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
March 04 2017 07:52 GMT
#608
As much as I adore the new Zelda, the Switch itself really is disappointing...

1. You can't charge the controller. They want another 25 USD for a controller grip you can charge. Fuck off.
2. The dock is a joke. Honestly, just a block of plastic with some connectors.
3. Although the Switch only connects to the dock via USB-C, they won't let you use the Switch with a USB-C monitor. If my monitor can power a Macbook Pro and display 4k at 60 FPS, surely it's powerful enough to power a 6 inch tablet.
Of course they're doing this to sell more of their stupid docks.
4. The form factor, at least to me, is a swing and a miss. As a home console, this thing is okay if you don't care about graphics, but for on the road it's far too large, too flimsy and to heavy. You'd need an actual case to even carry it around in your backpack because it's so wide and the control sticks are exposed.
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-04 09:26:24
March 04 2017 09:25 GMT
#609
Anyone have the Pro Controller and have an opinion on it?

I don't have a Switch but my controller I use for PC broke and if the Pro is good I might just get that since eventually I'll probably get a Switch eventually as well.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 04 2017 12:46 GMT
#610
On March 04 2017 10:24 Faruko wrote:


what a review honestly


Having played several hours of this game with a friend yesterday, I completely agree with this review.

We had a blast running around and exploring the world with only a hint of direction as to what the "main quest" actually was. Exploring for shrines, taking out small bokoblin encampments, climbing and gliding around the world, collecting resources (pretty much all related to cooking as far as I could tell), talking to random NPC's, all of it was a blast and seemed just as engaging as the hint of the main story we got.

Shrines are like bite sized dungeons. They are just enough to give you the taste of some puzzle and exploring your abilities (which you get a lot of almost right off the bat). I generally found that I wished they could be longer, but since they always left me wanting more it was that much more satisfying tracking down the next Shrine in the over-world. There also seems to be at least one "hidden" chest in each shrine which rewards you with less than common quality equipment and sometimes rupees.

Having easily lost 4-5 hours exploring one or two of the zones, with a brief excursion to an area that felt like a significantly greater challenge combat wise, I expect this game can easily give most players a solid 30-50 hours of enjoyment. Hard to say what the replay value of the game might be right now though.

I'm kinda wishing I had gone ahead and picked up my own switch and copy of Zelda just to get the chance to really sink my teeth into BotW. However, I think in a couple weeks Switch owners are going to find themselves without much incentive to be using their new counsels. I also got the chance to try 1,2, Switch and the new Bomberman and while Bomberman is a good callback to the original I just don't see any other the other software besides Zelda being worth it right now. I'm probably going to keep my "wait and see" approach and get the Switch somewhere down the line when there is a bit more reason to invest into the new system.
I can take that responsibility.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 04 2017 13:32 GMT
#611
Edge's review on Zelda is probably the best:
http://imgur.com/a/2eSrB

And man, nintendo is so damn smart, did you see all the indie games announced?

Sick sick sick sick. I might get it for this year Christmas
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
March 04 2017 13:38 GMT
#612
Zelda looks sick , and as a PC gamer only (had PS3 and now PS4 doing nothing in my living room) i have this tingling feeling that i WANT TO PLAY THE NEW ZELDA , if its really a 50+ hours game then its 100% worth the money for me as its easily 2 monthes of gaming , ill wait for another good title that i want to play and once i see it going to try the switch , reviews looks amazing and the twitch stream looks amazing as well.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
March 04 2017 13:55 GMT
#613
On March 04 2017 14:50 Archeon wrote:
^with how active the Skyrim mod scene is/was, I definitely would recommend to get it for pc.

For me the two titles that would make me buy the console would either be a good Metroid or a good F-zero. I liked FE a lot more on handheld so far. I have zero trust in Nintendo that smash NX is gonna top melee, if they make one.
I'd prolly buy it for a big pokemon-rpg, but that would be a first on a "home" console.

Overall I've got to say that the handheld series have a lot more draw for me.

If you're a handheld fan and liked the Advance Wars series, a fantasy themed spiritual successor is in the works.


On March 04 2017 21:46 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2017 10:24 Faruko wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0AC5qp4rl4

what a review honestly


Having played several hours of this game with a friend yesterday, I completely agree with this review.

We had a blast running around and exploring the world with only a hint of direction as to what the "main quest" actually was. Exploring for shrines, taking out small bokoblin encampments, climbing and gliding around the world, collecting resources (pretty much all related to cooking as far as I could tell), talking to random NPC's, all of it was a blast and seemed just as engaging as the hint of the main story we got.

Shrines are like bite sized dungeons. They are just enough to give you the taste of some puzzle and exploring your abilities (which you get a lot of almost right off the bat). I generally found that I wished they could be longer, but since they always left me wanting more it was that much more satisfying tracking down the next Shrine in the over-world. There also seems to be at least one "hidden" chest in each shrine which rewards you with less than common quality equipment and sometimes rupees.

Having easily lost 4-5 hours exploring one or two of the zones, with a brief excursion to an area that felt like a significantly greater challenge combat wise, I expect this game can easily give most players a solid 30-50 hours of enjoyment. Hard to say what the replay value of the game might be right now though.

I'm kinda wishing I had gone ahead and picked up my own switch and copy of Zelda just to get the chance to really sink my teeth into BotW. However, I think in a couple weeks Switch owners are going to find themselves without much incentive to be using their new counsels. I also got the chance to try 1,2, Switch and the new Bomberman and while Bomberman is a good callback to the original I just don't see any other the other software besides Zelda being worth it right now. I'm probably going to keep my "wait and see" approach and get the Switch somewhere down the line when there is a bit more reason to invest into the new system.


Shrines get bigger the further into the game you get.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
March 04 2017 14:15 GMT
#614
i think Nintendo has some very good games for the first year overall that will keep people busy overall thought the year but they need to show strong sales to show 3rd parties that the switch is worth investing in

Im pretty sure sales have been strong overall but lets see how it fares in the long run, i do have high hopes, marketing and hype has been pretty great overall...
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
March 04 2017 17:39 GMT
#615
On March 04 2017 16:52 DickMcFanny wrote:
As much as I adore the new Zelda, the Switch itself really is disappointing...

1. You can't charge the controller. They want another 25 USD for a controller grip you can charge. Fuck off.
2. The dock is a joke. Honestly, just a block of plastic with some connectors.
3. Although the Switch only connects to the dock via USB-C, they won't let you use the Switch with a USB-C monitor. If my monitor can power a Macbook Pro and display 4k at 60 FPS, surely it's powerful enough to power a 6 inch tablet.
Of course they're doing this to sell more of their stupid docks.
4. The form factor, at least to me, is a swing and a miss. As a home console, this thing is okay if you don't care about graphics, but for on the road it's far too large, too flimsy and to heavy. You'd need an actual case to even carry it around in your backpack because it's so wide and the control sticks are exposed.


The controlers battery lasts 20 hours, and placing them on the switch itself charges them. The chargin grip is not at all necessary.
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
March 04 2017 17:57 GMT
#616
I was tempted to get this early, but I'll hold off till the Christmas period (or perhaps even beyond that). Definitely feels like this system has potential as a handheld.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 04 2017 20:30 GMT
#617
On March 04 2017 15:33 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2017 15:11 TheYango wrote:
I would expect FE16 to be a mainline title before they do an FE4 remake. It would be too controversial to risk as the flagship title on a new system.

More likely they'll release a safe Awakening/Birthright-esque title to appease the newer fanbase before proceeding with the remake to appease grumpy old fans.

Oh yea for sure, the FE Switch announced in the direct will be a continuation of 3ds emblem...but there is still hope the following title will be Jugdral or Elibe


I still find the gameplay of the 3DS FEs fun enough that I can cringe through the shounen tropes. It's still a worthwhile trade off to keep these type of games economically viable.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 04 2017 23:23 GMT
#618
Watching Dansgaming playing Zelda, i made two important observations.

First: i really want to play Zelda. But.

Second: man the performance is bad. Like, there's neither a way nor a reason to try and sugarcoat this. It's awful. Yes, there's stretches where the game runs 30fps, but there's entire zones (especially if raining) where it drops below 15fps. And not just rarely.

I mean, come on. Zelda should've been the reason to get a switch over the Wii U, performance. I don't care for 900p, if i can play on 720p without drops (assuming it does, didn't look into it yet).
On track to MA1950A.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3260 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-05 00:07:04
March 05 2017 00:01 GMT
#619
On March 04 2017 22:55 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2017 14:50 Archeon wrote:
^with how active the Skyrim mod scene is/was, I definitely would recommend to get it for pc.

For me the two titles that would make me buy the console would either be a good Metroid or a good F-zero. I liked FE a lot more on handheld so far. I have zero trust in Nintendo that smash NX is gonna top melee, if they make one.
I'd prolly buy it for a big pokemon-rpg, but that would be a first on a "home" console.

Overall I've got to say that the handheld series have a lot more draw for me.

If you're a handheld fan and liked the Advance Wars series, a fantasy themed spiritual successor is in the works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv0zuRTGLf4

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2017 21:46 Tictock wrote:
On March 04 2017 10:24 Faruko wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0AC5qp4rl4

what a review honestly


Having played several hours of this game with a friend yesterday, I completely agree with this review.

We had a blast running around and exploring the world with only a hint of direction as to what the "main quest" actually was. Exploring for shrines, taking out small bokoblin encampments, climbing and gliding around the world, collecting resources (pretty much all related to cooking as far as I could tell), talking to random NPC's, all of it was a blast and seemed just as engaging as the hint of the main story we got.

Shrines are like bite sized dungeons. They are just enough to give you the taste of some puzzle and exploring your abilities (which you get a lot of almost right off the bat). I generally found that I wished they could be longer, but since they always left me wanting more it was that much more satisfying tracking down the next Shrine in the over-world. There also seems to be at least one "hidden" chest in each shrine which rewards you with less than common quality equipment and sometimes rupees.

Having easily lost 4-5 hours exploring one or two of the zones, with a brief excursion to an area that felt like a significantly greater challenge combat wise, I expect this game can easily give most players a solid 30-50 hours of enjoyment. Hard to say what the replay value of the game might be right now though.

I'm kinda wishing I had gone ahead and picked up my own switch and copy of Zelda just to get the chance to really sink my teeth into BotW. However, I think in a couple weeks Switch owners are going to find themselves without much incentive to be using their new counsels. I also got the chance to try 1,2, Switch and the new Bomberman and while Bomberman is a good callback to the original I just don't see any other the other software besides Zelda being worth it right now. I'm probably going to keep my "wait and see" approach and get the Switch somewhere down the line when there is a bit more reason to invest into the new system.


Shrines get bigger the further into the game you get.

Nice, Advance wars in fantasy sounds like fun. How much does/doesn't the switch support indie-devs?

Btw I really like the pseudo-handheld idea, Nintendo has a lot of experience with handheld consoles and their home consoles have been lacking a bit recently. Also a lot of their handheld series like Pokemon, FE (only played the one with Ike on home console), Advance wars, Phoenix Wright and Castlevania (except SotN) (both Konami though) didn't really work well on console or only got some half-assed games (Pokemon) but were always great on handheld.
Playing my stuff in HD at home and in lower reso on the move without problems with transfering safe files sounds really nice as well.
But the battery time should be at least 3, ideally 7 hours+ for it to be a real "handheld" console. I mean the sole purpose of handheld consoles is to be mobile with it and play on trips etc. First reviews talked about 1 hour of battery time, which is enough for short bus trips (for which the console is too big), but not for actually being on the road. Also batteries get worse over time, so if we end up at half an hour that's barely worth carrying around.

As someone who's not the biggest fan of open world titles I'm not that interested in BotW.
low gravity, yes-yes!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 05 2017 00:35 GMT
#620
On March 04 2017 10:24 Faruko wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0AC5qp4rl4

what a review honestly


Worth noting that despite his absolutely glowing review of BotW, his review of the Switch itself is much more tempered, and he basically said that the system itself doesn't have enough to be worth buying yet. Which is completely fair.
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