On August 17 2016 01:12 Plansix wrote: Star Citizen's final form will be a lawsuit.
That game is building up to be a disaster of proportions even more epic than the promises it made.
I haven't really been following, what's going on with star citizen lately?
I have no specifics tbh and I have no business talking about it because I haven't touched the game in recent months, only fiddled about with it probably over a year ago and since then I've just read up a little bit and looked at footage. It just seems to me like it'll be a jack of all trade and a master of none, the devs promised so much and yet everything they've released seems to be half baked. It may have gotten better since but footage I've seen seems underwhelming, even if we ignore the bugs which are to be expected. Add to that a batshit crazy fanbase that's deeply invested (both emotionally and financially) in this absolute marvel of a game that's being promised to them... I think there's a lot of grounds for people to be disappointed.
It is really, really beautiful though. But I think it will be shallow, and I think that a lot of the features that were promised will be either missing or poorly integrated.
It's just how I am tho, I like maintaining low expectations for everything so when something good comes up it's that much more exciting. I'll buy Star Citizen if it turns out to be good but some people are already down literally tens of thousands of dollars buying virtual ships for a game that's not released -_-
i think if you dissect all the articles or interviews about this game up to release you will find a lot of just pure malarkey. like this one talking about potential features
"The team programmed some of the physics for aesthetic reasons. For instance, Duncan insisted on permitting moons to orbit closer to their planets than Newtonian physics would allow. When he desired the possibility of green skies, the team had to redesign the periodic table to create atmospheric particles that would diffract light at just the right wavelength."
even if you gave them the benefit of the doubt that they could simulate ray based light refraction at the molecular level (which may require a NASA super computer and cause the game to run slightly worse than it does now on PC), wheres the evidence of any sort of interactions between the periodic table? theres no presence of gaseous elements anywhere, theres no atomic weights, just plutonium-lined planets.
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TWITCH_MIA 849 points 8 hours ago
This shit made me spit my coffee...
"When he desired the possibility of green skies, the team had to redesign the periodic table to create atmospheric particles that would diffract light at just the right wavelength."
On August 15 2016 06:54 QuanticHawk wrote: the marketing was intentionally deceptive specifically about multiplayer.
How so? I know a set of people met in the game in real time and couldn't see each other. But that has been alluded to being a server issue, though we don't know for sure quite yet without an official response.
They said the game was multiplayer as in, you could meet other players. They said there wasn't any PvP action and you should never really even expect to meet another player. So basically it's a singleplayer game, how was that wrong?
as you noted, most of the commentary from the dev team regards to multiplayer and lots of gameplay was very cryptic
i pretty much subscribe to TotalBiscuit's narrative regarding Hello Games' motives for the cryptic and dishonest responses by the studio head guy.. whatever his name is. Hello Games was more than just cryptic. Hello Games lied.
TB contends there were plenty of red flags warning potential customers about this game. people projected their wishes, hopes, and dreams onto a game with deliberately vague pre-release advertising. The dreamers got a rude awakening while Sony and Hello Games filled their pockets with pre-order cash. Wow, i've never seen that happen before.
There is another post where one person disputes like 4-5 points, and that's enough for fanboys to get riled up and claim that everything is in the game, including multiplayer. The denial is quite strong. The "people don't understand how big the game is" is quite a cute argument, since they are procedurelly generated, the amount of planets has little relevance if the amount of assets and their variance is still crap.
On August 17 2016 17:42 Endymion wrote: wtf why was it deleted??? that thread had a great op! i dont use reddit, did the mods delete it or something?
When these things happen on reddit is it often mods trying to suppress opinions. Sub reddits are pretty autonomous and as such there is not really a level of oversight of mods like here on TL.
It could have entirely different reasons but the logical explanation is to try and hide the truth about the game.
The entire user account is deleted. Mods can't do that. More likely that he just didn't want all the hatemail he was getting through PMs from rabid NMS defenders.
On August 17 2016 01:12 Plansix wrote: Star Citizen's final form will be a lawsuit.
That game is building up to be a disaster of proportions even more epic than the promises it made.
I haven't really been following, what's going on with star citizen lately?
I have no specifics tbh and I have no business talking about it because I haven't touched the game in recent months, only fiddled about with it probably over a year ago and since then I've just read up a little bit and looked at footage. It just seems to me like it'll be a jack of all trade and a master of none, the devs promised so much and yet everything they've released seems to be half baked. It may have gotten better since but footage I've seen seems underwhelming, even if we ignore the bugs which are to be expected. Add to that a batshit crazy fanbase that's deeply invested (both emotionally and financially) in this absolute marvel of a game that's being promised to them... I think there's a lot of grounds for people to be disappointed.
It is really, really beautiful though. But I think it will be shallow, and I think that a lot of the features that were promised will be either missing or poorly integrated.
It's just how I am tho, I like maintaining low expectations for everything so when something good comes up it's that much more exciting. I'll buy Star Citizen if it turns out to be good but some people are already down literally tens of thousands of dollars buying virtual ships for a game that's not released -_-
what are you talking about, star citizen posts youtube updates like every freakin day, from what i see they are doing fantastically
On August 17 2016 01:12 Plansix wrote: Star Citizen's final form will be a lawsuit.
That game is building up to be a disaster of proportions even more epic than the promises it made.
I haven't really been following, what's going on with star citizen lately?
I have no specifics tbh and I have no business talking about it because I haven't touched the game in recent months, only fiddled about with it probably over a year ago and since then I've just read up a little bit and looked at footage. It just seems to me like it'll be a jack of all trade and a master of none, the devs promised so much and yet everything they've released seems to be half baked. It may have gotten better since but footage I've seen seems underwhelming, even if we ignore the bugs which are to be expected. Add to that a batshit crazy fanbase that's deeply invested (both emotionally and financially) in this absolute marvel of a game that's being promised to them... I think there's a lot of grounds for people to be disappointed.
It is really, really beautiful though. But I think it will be shallow, and I think that a lot of the features that were promised will be either missing or poorly integrated.
It's just how I am tho, I like maintaining low expectations for everything so when something good comes up it's that much more exciting. I'll buy Star Citizen if it turns out to be good but some people are already down literally tens of thousands of dollars buying virtual ships for a game that's not released -_-
what are you talking about, star citizen posts youtube updates like every freakin day, from what i see they are doing fantastically
I'm not saying they don't communicate with the fanbase. They do a lot of talking, it's what they do. They like their marketing, they sell ships for hundreds of dollars still. There's also some pretty footage that looks like the mechanics are mediocre. Last I saw of the gunplay, it seemed to be an absolute disaster. When I did some dogfighting in the alpha, it was straight up bad. But the rabid fanbase will deny, of course, because they're invested.
But show me something good and I'll change my mind.
What I've seen is -Beautiful scenery and graphics -Horrible dogfighting -Horrible gunplay -Absolutely disgusting monetization -Extremely long development time -Confusing website. What can you buy? What are those versions? Can I buy the game, why do I buy a ship when I buy the game? -The game is split into two now? What?
Anyway crowdfunded games are always iffy, so you can't blame people for getting skeptical a few years into development. I'll just have to see evidence that the game will deliver on its promises and tbh the footage I've seen suggests it'll be eye candy and not much more.
Until that game exists, I won’t pass judgment. But the way they have been monetizing the game is close to irresponsible. At least when a publisher fronts the money, they know the game may never come into existence.
I don't know how someone can say "they are doing fantastically" when the game has been in development for years and the kickstarted delivery date was November 2014 anyway. At some point you get to pass judgment. They've got so many layers of stretch goals... people call it feature creep. I reserve the right to be extremely skeptical, now that we're looking at being 2 years late with development with no announced release date yet, while the devs feel little pressure to deliver because they have money to pay themselves and their employees and the game's release probably won't come with a huge leap in revenue since the fanbase has already put millions in and there's no huge marketing around the game to build the hype for new parties.
Many people have started predicting vaporware, I don't think I would agree... but I'd bet $20 that when this releases in 2017-2018, it'll have half-baked features. There's something powerful that comes from actual deadlines from investors who have leverage, and from the need to sell copies after finishing a game.
Either way if I'm wrong I won't feel bad about this, I take no pleasure in being pessimistic. I can say that I'm happy I've only preordered one game (a known quantity I had tried and enjoyed) since D3's release and it has saved my ass quite a few times. Being distrustful and not buying into the hype will save you grief and money in the long run.
On August 15 2016 06:54 QuanticHawk wrote: the marketing was intentionally deceptive specifically about multiplayer.
How so? I know a set of people met in the game in real time and couldn't see each other. But that has been alluded to being a server issue, though we don't know for sure quite yet without an official response.
They said the game was multiplayer as in, you could meet other players. They said there wasn't any PvP action and you should never really even expect to meet another player. So basically it's a singleplayer game, how was that wrong?
as you noted, most of the commentary from the dev team regards to multiplayer and lots of gameplay was very cryptic
i pretty much subscribe to TotalBiscuit's narrative regarding Hello Games' motives for the cryptic and dishonest responses by the studio head guy.. whatever his name is. Hello Games was more than just cryptic. Hello Games lied.
TB contends there were plenty of red flags warning potential customers about this game. people projected their wishes, hopes, and dreams onto a game with deliberately vague pre-release advertising. The dreamers got a rude awakening while Sony and Hello Games filled their pockets with pre-order cash. Wow, i've never seen that happen before.
On August 17 2016 17:42 Endymion wrote: wtf why was it deleted??? that thread had a great op! i dont use reddit, did the mods delete it or something?
When these things happen on reddit is it often mods trying to suppress opinions. Sub reddits are pretty autonomous and as such there is not really a level of oversight of mods like here on TL.
It could have entirely different reasons but the logical explanation is to try and hide the truth about the game.
lol, no.. I don't care how much you hate the game, the "logical" explanation is not the sub's mods deleting one post about criticism to "HIDE THE TRUTH, MAAAAN". There have been tons of very angry posts that have gotten just as much attention. Also his entire account is gone, not just that post, as someone mentioned. And someone copied the archived post for posterity and the mods re-stickied it.
If you want to get all tinfoil hat about anything, you could convince yourself Sony or HG contacted him directly and asked him to do it, for any number of reasons. Or he just didn't want to deal with angry fans messaging him. Who cares. We'll never know for sure. At least a copy of the post is still there on the front page.
On August 18 2016 02:48 ref4 wrote: some Sony marketing people probably contacted and offered the reddit user $50K or 100K to delete the post and his reddit account.
shit I would write a 10 page long thesis on why NMS is the best shit every since the invention of the wheel for that much money in a heart beat
oh thanks, I was definitely wondering what made up reasons would surface as to why he deleted his account
On August 18 2016 02:48 ref4 wrote: some Sony marketing people probably contacted and offered the reddit user $50K or 100K to delete the post and his reddit account.
shit I would write a 10 page long thesis on why NMS is the best shit every since the invention of the wheel for that much money in a heart beat
oh thanks, I was definitely wondering what made up reasons would surface as to why he deleted his account
I love it when people make up this shit. One dude tried to convince me that Sony pays 10K for every positive review like that is a thing that really happens.
On August 18 2016 02:48 ref4 wrote: some Sony marketing people probably contacted and offered the reddit user $50K or 100K to delete the post and his reddit account.
shit I would write a 10 page long thesis on why NMS is the best shit every since the invention of the wheel for that much money in a heart beat
oh thanks, I was definitely wondering what made up reasons would surface as to why he deleted his account
I love it when people make up this shit. One dude tried to convince me that Sony pays 10K for every positive review like that is a thing that really happens.