EPTMet and talked to Punk several times, and what I've heard from many players, Punk's "alpha"/heel is more of a persona tbh. Quite a nice dude in person.
If there's a person who not only plays a heel, but is also an asshole irl, its got to be FChamp.
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
Met and talked to Punk several times, and what I've heard from many players, Punk's "alpha"/heel is more of a persona tbh. Quite a nice dude in person. If there's a person who not only plays a heel, but is also an asshole irl, its got to be FChamp. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On July 18 2017 06:35 sung_moon wrote: Very surprised at the anti-Punk remarks coming out after Evo's conclusion (not referring to the posts above). Met and talked to Punk several times, and what I've heard from many players, Punk's "alpha"/heel is more of a persona tbh. Quite a nice dude in person. If there's a person who not only plays a heel, but is also an asshole irl, its got to be FChamp. Yeah for sure. When I say Punk's heel I don't mean it in a bad way (I know you said "not referring to the posts above"). He's clearly playing it up and it's hilarious to watch a newer face completely scramble the scene. I'm sure a lot of people don't like it though. The most telling thing imo is that Punk was emotional after GF, not just salty. If he was just de cocky alfa he probably wouldn't be so passionate and invested. | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On July 18 2017 06:41 Duka08 wrote: Yeah for sure. When I say Punk's heel I don't mean it in a bad way (I know you said "not referring to the posts above"). He's clearly playing it up and it's hilarious to watch a newer face completely scramble the scene. I'm sure a lot of people don't like it though. The most telling thing imo is that Punk was emotional after GF, not just salty. If he was just de cocky alfa he probably wouldn't be so passionate and invested. He became a "heel" literally bc he was defending himself from older players in the scene trying to bully him. For example, Gootecks was making fun of how he looks (while LIVE on stream!) and implying things like he was only winning bc he's a "pad player". This was before any of the cockiness or "alpha" comments. He didn't want to let ppl bully him, so he said he would bully them. But seriously, when he acts cocky, can he even keep a straight face? Kid is just having fun, and the "alpha" cockiness was his way to prevent the old school players from clowning him. If people want real cocky players? FChamp as mentioned above is one. But how about all the old school players who can't perform anymore, so they clown new players, try to act like their play is not legitimate bc the game doesn't take skill, and throw out excuses for every sub par performance. Gootecks? Yes... I'm talking about people just like him. Known for being a dick to people who arent big names in tournaments. On his gameplay, first it's the characters, then his char is released and becomes top tier, then it's bc he's a stick player and all these pad players have an advantage, then he can't even perform on a hitbox and loses to stick players. So then now, just give up and build popularity by dressing up, and hire some other people to make media better than he can & leech off of it. With the occasional staged skits & tshirts to take advantage of the FGC with his constant get rich quick schemes. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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Mensol
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Full on for Guiltygear now tho, damn that game is everything I wish a fighting to be. | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On July 18 2017 08:06 sung_moon wrote: I have noticed when I started watching Excellent Adventures again, Gootecks and Mike use a HitBox now? Lol Yeah... At least Gootecks blamed pad players for his drop in performance. He claimed he could not compete with pad players anymore. So he switched to hitbox... and still performs badly lol | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On July 18 2017 07:58 Spyridon wrote: He became a "heel" literally bc he was defending himself from older players in the scene trying to bully him. For example, Gootecks was making fun of how he looks (while LIVE on stream!) and implying things like he was only winning bc he's a "pad player". This was before any of the cockiness or "alpha" comments. He didn't want to let ppl bully him, so he said he would bully them. But seriously, when he acts cocky, can he even keep a straight face? Kid is just having fun, and the "alpha" cockiness was his way to prevent the old school players from clowning him. If people want real cocky players? FChamp as mentioned above is one. But how about all the old school players who can't perform anymore, so they clown new players, try to act like their play is not legitimate bc the game doesn't take skill, and throw out excuses for every sub par performance. Gootecks? Yes... I'm talking about people just like him. Known for being a dick to people who arent big names in tournaments. On his gameplay, first it's the characters, then his char is released and becomes top tier, then it's bc he's a stick player and all these pad players have an advantage, then he can't even perform on a hitbox and loses to stick players. So then now, just give up and build popularity by dressing up, and hire some other people to make media better than he can & leech off of it. With the occasional staged skits & tshirts to take advantage of the FGC with his constant get rich quick schemes. He took his "heel" persona way too far at moments, and clearly was just straight up disrespecting people in tournaments at a certain point. He toned it back a little, but he was clearly cocky as shit going into this tournament, because he didn't display any new tech, and was doing the same shit as always with no improvements or variations to what he was doing. Tokido showed up with new tech, new patterns, and basically bodied him. Punk is a phenomenal player, I do not dispute that at all. But he certainly took things abit far at times during tournament play. He's not Fchamp level of assholeness, but he certainly was no saint during the past 6 months or so. Don't fan boy and defend him, Punk was still an asshole at times, and he ate a whole lot of humble pie in the GF versus a clearly more prepared player. Confidence was not the reason why Tokido won, he won because he was straight up in better form. On July 18 2017 05:09 Spyridon wrote: Honestly if you follow him, a lot of his "cockiness" is just a front anyway. They edit his interviews to make it look like hes cockier than it is, for example the ELeague one. In reality, when Punk first started taking over the scene, everyone was making fun of him (even Gootecks while commentating) so he started his cocky attitude to kinda bully the bullies. He says this in the ELeague video, but they completely edited the order of everything happening to make it look like he was more self centered. With that said, you could clearly see Punk was choking in his playstyle. His AA's stopped. No shimmies at all??? That's the cornerstone of Punk's spacing/neutral gameplay, and once you seen after the reset where he wasn't doing any of that, it became obvious that he fell apart mentally. This, combined with Tokidos confidence from playing consecutive sets, he had no chance. With Tokido playing so on point, I'm not sure who would have won if Punk was not choking. But it would have at least been competitive. What we seen was not even competitive. Top 8 was great, and the finals made a great story because Tokido's such an appreciated personality and it's completely deserving that he has a EVO win under his belt. But the actual match for finals was a let down imo. Punk/Tokido showdown should have been fireworks! Punk only started choking after Tokido basically bodied him in the first set by dominating the neutral game. That's where Punk makes his money, by controlling space and then getting frame traps and pressuring his opponent into making mistakes for the mix-up game. Tokido however basically stopped him cold. It's not like Punk just suddenly stopped knowing how to play SF, it's that his ground game was in complete shambles because he couldn't deal with Tokido's tech. Once that happened, he had to pay alot more attention to getting hit by random normals on the ground than he normally does, which results in his bad AA game towards the end where he ate dive kicks and jump ins for free. Punk lost 10-0 in a set to Tokido prior to Evo. Tokido was the one player Punk didn't want to see outside of maybe Itabashi, and that's mostly because good Gief players can win from like 1% health no matter the MU. He definitely mentally fell apart in the 2nd set, but the 1st set was straight up Tokido dominating Punk. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 18 2017 02:24 sung_moon wrote: edit: Yea, camera cut away from him to Tokido during award ceremony, but Punk was definitely hanging on by a thread from letting the waterworks loose. Dude's only 18, he's only going to get better and more experienced. They cut away from Punk/Tokido before the match actually started too, and when they cut back to Punk he'd just done the same eye rub and put his glasses back on, so waterworks might've started well before. Clearly an emotional moment for him just being in the finals. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On July 18 2017 13:28 Spyridon wrote: Yeah... At least Gootecks blamed pad players for his drop in performance. He claimed he could not compete with pad players anymore. So he switched to hitbox... and still performs badly lol Are you serious? Wtf, Gootecks is complaining that the pad are giving these guys the edge??? | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On July 19 2017 07:13 sung_moon wrote: Are you serious? Wtf, Gootecks is complaining that the pad are giving these guys the edge??? Yup, after promoting sticks being better for years. It's just displacement though, bc he's not a top player anymore. Don't have the exact clips saved, but here's some examples that came up right away on google https://clips.twitch.tv/AntsyObliqueSandwichDAESuppy?tt_medium=clips_embed&tt_content=player_twitch_logo https://twitter.com/gootecks/status/845853414479183872?lang=en | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On July 19 2017 07:33 Spyridon wrote: Yup, after promoting sticks being better for years. It's just displacement though, bc he's not a top player anymore. Don't have the exact clips saved, but here's some examples that came up right away on google https://clips.twitch.tv/AntsyObliqueSandwichDAESuppy?tt_medium=clips_embed&tt_content=player_twitch_logo https://twitter.com/gootecks/status/845853414479183872?lang=en Sticks USED to be better and had significant advantages over pads. Evo and other major tournaments used to ban remapping of buttons. Also sticks are in fact much more accurate with their movements and much more precise. Try playing something like CvS2 let alone something like Alpha 3, 3rd Strike, or ST on a pad and you'll see a massive difference. There's no difference now because fighting games are now much more pad friendly, as all the companies (Capcom, Namco, etc.) are lowering the entry bar. Gootecks is a clown anyways, I don't think anyone takes him seriously. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12244 Posts
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
On July 21 2017 09:57 Excalibur_Z wrote: Street Fighter is out. Jenga is in. Excal, pick up guilty so you can beat me at it  | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On July 19 2017 10:52 superstartran wrote: Sticks USED to be better and had significant advantages over pads. Evo and other major tournaments used to ban remapping of buttons. Also sticks are in fact much more accurate with their movements and much more precise. Try playing something like CvS2 let alone something like Alpha 3, 3rd Strike, or ST on a pad and you'll see a massive difference. There's no difference now because fighting games are now much more pad friendly, as all the companies (Capcom, Namco, etc.) are lowering the entry bar. Gootecks is a clown anyways, I don't think anyone takes him seriously. Well my main issue is, regardless of the "controller type" debate, Gootecks used it as an excuse, when the entire pro scene (especially the Japanese scene) is still having absolutely no issues winning on stick. And if that rly was his problem, switching would have improved his performance. It didn't lol. Sadly a lot of ppl take him seriously, but idk, I'm not really a fan. He does do some good for the FGC, I'm not gona say he doesn't contribute. But the amount of exploitation of the FGC the man does is ridiculous, and he represents a perfect example of a lot of the negative aspects of the "old school FGC". | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
Plus the thing is loud as hell, especially when you're doing directional inputs on KoF for example, making you susceptible to "hard" reads. I guess you could try to mask yourself by doing fake inputs or something, but that's just more work. With these new sideways ergonomic mice coming out, I'm beginning to think pads are actually the most ergonomic since they keep your wrists in natural position if you hold them normally (some people still hover their right hand over the buttons like on a stick). Still wouldn't use them for CvS2 or 3S with all that kara cancelling and shit though Each input device has its own tradeoffs. I agree at the end of the day just practice with whatever you're most comfortable with and dominate, like John Choi with his 20? year-old wooden mas stick and Nalra with his ball mouse. | ||
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Duka08
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On July 22 2017 05:10 Spyridon wrote: Well my main issue is, regardless of the "controller type" debate, Gootecks used it as an excuse, when the entire pro scene (especially the Japanese scene) is still having absolutely no issues winning on stick. And if that rly was his problem, switching would have improved his performance. It didn't lol. Sadly a lot of ppl take him seriously, but idk, I'm not really a fan. He does do some good for the FGC, I'm not gona say he doesn't contribute. But the amount of exploitation of the FGC the man does is ridiculous, and he represents a perfect example of a lot of the negative aspects of the "old school FGC". Gootecks is a clown, I dumped him online bad in SFV and he flipped out. And I'm pretty shitty other than I run some cheesy frame trap setups. The controller/joystick debate died years ago when they made it easier to execute in general. | ||
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