The LAN finals of the first edition super league dual-hosted by ESL and ESEA is underway in Cologne, Germany! Which teams will go to jail? Which team will own it all and win the game? Tune in to find out!
I feel like these casters and analysts have no chemistry. Maybe it's too early, but this group seems a bit off. I guess I'm spolied with Richard Lewis, Sir Scoots, and Thoorin. Hopefully, these guys hit their stride and groove as the day goes along.
They play 4 minutes worth of ads. Then they go on a short break of three minutes. Then they play the same set of ads for 4 minutes again. Seriously ESL?
I wonder if the players are having technical difficulties? It's LG first lan overseas, so it can be understandable. Though, I wish the casters let us know what the problems are to hold up the tournament.
LG peeks into sites without any flashes and nades. They lose so many 1v1 battles because the VP are pre-aiming spots and they don't flash and smoke to enter the sites.
On July 02 2015 20:25 ptbl wrote: 16-4...really sad :/. I really wanted LG to win. Man, what is wrong with NA.
There's nothing wrong with NA , this is their level. You being a blind fanboy won't magically make them into a better team overnight.
Uh Liquid took maps off of Navi and Fnatic at gfinity. I just thought with LG being better than Liquid in the ESL/ESEA lan they would have performed better than Liquid did at gfinity. Maybe Liquid is a LAN team, while LG is online warriors?
On July 02 2015 20:25 ptbl wrote: 16-4...really sad :/. I really wanted LG to win. Man, what is wrong with NA.
There's nothing wrong with NA , this is their level. You being a blind fanboy won't magically make them into a better team overnight.
Uh Liquid took maps off of Navi and Fnatic at gfinity. I just thought with LG being better than Liquid in the ESL/ESEA lan they would have performed better than Liquid did at gfinity. Maybe Liquid is a LAN team, while LG is online warriors?
On July 02 2015 21:53 iXphobos wrote: Ok guys. I just tuned in. Did C9 win because they played like an actual CS team or did nV just completely fuck it up?
They actually adjusted and played pretty good. NV started to miss some of their shots though, all credit to C9 though.
On July 02 2015 21:53 iXphobos wrote: Ok guys. I just tuned in. Did C9 win because they played like an actual CS team or did nV just completely fuck it up?
c9 won more than nV lost.
Ska played like a god, the calls were tight, and the team was coordinated. The POV streams are very enlightening as well.
Although these are Bo1's which are highly susceptible to upsets, still a huge confidence boost and a step for NA to become contenders in the CSGO world. WP C9 and CLG, now lets go Keyd Stars, our last honorary NA team!
On July 03 2015 00:36 iXphobos wrote: So, apparently i have no idea anymore on how this game works. WTF is going on? When did they buff all those teams???
i think our TL article about NA turned all the NA teams into super saiyans :D
On July 03 2015 00:36 iXphobos wrote: So, apparently i have no idea anymore on how this game works. WTF is going on? When did they buff all those teams???
i think our TL article about NA turned all the NA teams into super saiyans :D
On July 03 2015 00:36 iXphobos wrote: So, apparently i have no idea anymore on how this game works. WTF is going on? When did they buff all those teams???
i think our TL article about NA turned all the NA teams into super saiyans :D
The NA-EU gap isn't nearly as large as the foreigner-Korean gap in SC2 or BW.
NA has competed as equal rivals many, many times in CS (3d, NoA, coL, etc).
*Lately* however (since the iBP scandal got the best NA team banned) there has been a huge, foreigner-Korean level gap. Lots of team shuffles, teams not playing well, not having steady lineup and coaches etc.
This is one of the first tournaments that we're seeing the new c9, and CLG with JDM. It's unlikely to say that NA-EU gap is completely gone, but NA teams are looking much stronger than foreigners vs Koreans in SC2.
I guess we'll have to wait and see how the rest of the tourney goes!
I think we can conclude that NA is now completely better than EU. I mean 3/4 that's pretty good huh? Bo1 doesn't matter they play 20+ rounds a game. /s edit: I think the next event w/na vs. eu I will all in eu because I'll get better odds because of fanbois.
On July 03 2015 00:48 porkRaven wrote: I think we can conclude that NA is now completely better than EU. I mean 3/4 that's pretty good huh? Bo1 doesn't matter they play 20+ rounds a game. /s edit: I think the next event w/na vs. eu I will all in eu because I'll get better odds because of fanbois.
Generally see many more EU fanboys ranting about how bad NA is than NA fans saying they're all of a sudden the top. Your quote doesn't really work...
Also, everyone say it with me - "fNatic vs TSM in the round1 loser's bracket." Never thought I'd say that out loud
On July 03 2015 00:48 porkRaven wrote: I think we can conclude that NA is now completely better than EU. I mean 3/4 that's pretty good huh? Bo1 doesn't matter they play 20+ rounds a game. /s edit: I think the next event w/na vs. eu I will all in eu because I'll get better odds because of fanbois.
Generally see many more EU fanboys ranting about how bad NA is than NA fans saying they're all of a sudden the top. Your quote doesn't really work...
Also, everyone say it with me - "fNatic vs TSM in the round1 loser's bracket." Never thought I'd say that out loud
just check reddit, it's like NA won a major
NA fans are way more vocal than their EU counterpart
On July 03 2015 00:48 porkRaven wrote: I think we can conclude that NA is now completely better than EU. I mean 3/4 that's pretty good huh? Bo1 doesn't matter they play 20+ rounds a game. /s edit: I think the next event w/na vs. eu I will all in eu because I'll get better odds because of fanbois.
Generally see many more EU fanboys ranting about how bad NA is than NA fans saying they're all of a sudden the top. Your quote doesn't really work...
Also, everyone say it with me - "fNatic vs TSM in the round1 loser's bracket." Never thought I'd say that out loud
just check reddit, it's like NA won a major
NA fans are way more vocal than their EU counterpart
I think this is because they have less opportunities to be vocal.
On July 03 2015 00:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ah cmon guys, this is just sad for the tournament tbh, it's amazing for CLG and Keyd Stars, but for the quality of the tournament it fucking sucks -.-
How exactly does it suck that the teams that have played better today are advancing?
On July 03 2015 00:48 porkRaven wrote: I think we can conclude that NA is now completely better than EU. I mean 3/4 that's pretty good huh? Bo1 doesn't matter they play 20+ rounds a game. /s edit: I think the next event w/na vs. eu I will all in eu because I'll get better odds because of fanbois.
Generally see many more EU fanboys ranting about how bad NA is than NA fans saying they're all of a sudden the top. Your quote doesn't really work...
Also, everyone say it with me - "fNatic vs TSM in the round1 loser's bracket." Never thought I'd say that out loud
just check reddit, it's like NA won a major
NA fans are way more vocal than their EU counterpart
I think this is because they have less opportunities to be vocal.
Something like this, along with a common sentiment of "lol why was na even invited".
On July 03 2015 00:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ah cmon guys, this is just sad for the tournament tbh, it's amazing for CLG and Keyd Stars, but for the quality of the tournament it fucking sucks -.-
How exactly does it suck that the teams that have played better today are advancing?
I think we can agree that these teams aren't better teams. So we will get worse gameplay in the playoffs than what we could have gotten. TSM or Fnatic are out, this obviously sucks. I am not saying the other teams don't deserve it, i am saying that the gameplay will be worse in the boX series and therefore it's bad for viewers in the end.
On July 03 2015 01:55 amazingxkcd wrote: final match in each group is Bo3, which somewhat makes it better
... that's a hell of a format...
its wierd since there are only 4 matches per group stage, top 3 advance to brackets but the top 1 from each group gets seeded to semi finals so now, Cloud9 will be in the Ro6 and VP will be in the semis
Any particular reason for bo1 instead of bo2? In Dota we more then often have Bo2(not bo3 due to time constraints) and it feels far superior esp with 2 4man groups. Its either round robin with 7 bo1's or 3 bo2's.
On July 03 2015 02:05 Kipsate wrote: Any particular reason for bo1 instead of bo2? In Dota we more then often have Bo2(not bo3 due to time constraints) and it feels far superior esp with 2 4man groups. Its either round robin with 7 bo1's or 3 bo2's.
I guess they wanted to show all matches on one stream/scene. That's always a stupid choice to force it in early stages of a tournament run over a few days.
On July 02 2015 20:25 ptbl wrote: 16-4...really sad :/. I really wanted LG to win. Man, what is wrong with NA.
There's nothing wrong with NA , this is their level. You being a blind fanboy won't magically make them into a better team overnight.
Uh Liquid took maps off of Navi and Fnatic at gfinity. I just thought with LG being better than Liquid in the ESL/ESEA lan they would have performed better than Liquid did at gfinity. Maybe Liquid is a LAN team, while LG is online warriors?
Fluke
So, I guess it wasn't a fluke after all. CLG, C9, Kstars won their matches.
On July 03 2015 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think we can agree that these teams aren't better teams. So we will get worse gameplay in the playoffs than what we could have gotten.
History-wise US teams are worse, yes. But if tonight they are playing better CS, this means they are better for the moment. Thus the game play won't be worse. It's like in a fighting sport, one of the fighters is favored, more skilled, expected to win. But when the other fighter wins, this means he fought better. End of story, he was better in that fight. Yes, in 100 fights he might get demolished, but in this fight he won, he displayed better skills/
On July 03 2015 The_Red_Viper wrote: TSM or Fnatic are out, this obviously sucks.
That's your opinion, if they play bad and/or underestimate their opposition, they deserve to lose.
On July 03 2015 The_Red_Viper wrote: i am saying that the gameplay will be worse in the boX series and therefore it's bad for viewers in the end.
Not really. Like in SC2 or other sports, underdogs are usually more entertaining to watch because they tend to do unorthodox things. Like in SC2, there was Pigbaby vs Bomber for US WCS final. Pigbaby did carriers and won. Who else would do carriers in a final?!?
On July 03 2015 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think we can agree that these teams aren't better teams. So we will get worse gameplay in the playoffs than what we could have gotten.
History-wise US teams are worse, yes. But if tonight they are playing better CS, this means they are better for the moment. Thus the game play won't be worse. It's like in a fighting sport, one of the fighters is favored, more skilled, expected to win. But when the other fighter wins, this means he fought better. End of story, he was better in that fight. Yes, in 100 fights he might get demolished, but in this fight he won, he displayed better skills/
On July 03 2015 The_Red_Viper wrote: i am saying that the gameplay will be worse in the boX series and therefore it's bad for viewers in the end.
Not really. Like in SC2 or other sports, underdogs are usually more entertaining to watch because they tend to do unorthodox things. Like in SC2, there was Pigbaby vs Bomber for US WCS final. Pigbaby did carriers and won. Who else would do carriers in a final?!?
Red_Viper is hilariously salty, it's so delicious.
On July 03 2015 04:32 Souma wrote: Well guys let's just hope this isn't another one of those patented "hype everyone up and give everyone hope then crash and burn" CLG moments.
Knocking out fNatic/TSM is a great start, but it's hardly time to start waving American flags of victory.
I'd rather see people discussing the dramatically improved play of these two teams instead of bitching about BO1 though.
It's too early to say how much they've improved though. Cache has historically been one of the maps Americans could upset Europeans on alongside Dust 2. Need to see the BO3s.
On July 03 2015 04:52 Souma wrote: It's too early to say how much they've improved though. Cache has historically been one of the maps Americans could upset Europeans on alongside Dust 2. Need to see the BO3s.
On July 03 2015 04:52 Souma wrote: It's too early to say how much they've improved though. Cache has historically been one of the maps Americans could upset Europeans on alongside Dust 2. Need to see the BO3s.
Don't forget Nuke
RIP my fav map
There's a missing page in the Maps section of the Bloodhound book, as well as references to construction at a nuclear facility, so have hope, friend.
I can see arguments for and against that TSM shoul just have been more prepared then they would advance in the turnament.
Often when people discuss BO1 vs BO3 the discussion goes on that the better team has more probability to advance. This is, to me, not the issue! The better team always advances , EOD.
However, to me, the big fucking problem with BO1 formats like this is that you get to see your favorite or top team play 2, only 2, maps. And then its over, done. And this also goes for the lesser teams who have probably prepared and worked their ass off to get to the turnament and perform well, and then a team like luminosity also plays just two maps. It must be so frustrating. And for a viewer it is almost like a joke.
I'd be upset about losing the "better" teams this early if fnatic and TSM only had a chance to play each other once every year or something. But since they've played like 9 maps against eachother only in the last month I really don't care. It's more exciting that the NA scene has been improving and I wonder if they can keep up past the bo1's. If the rest of the tournament is EU walking all over NA I'm gonna be disapointed. If they can compete we're in for one of the most exciting tournaments of the year.
On July 03 2015 16:58 Ota Solgryn wrote: I can see arguments for and against that TSM shoul just have been more prepared then they would advance in the turnament.
Often when people discuss BO1 vs BO3 the discussion goes on that the better team has more probability to advance. This is, to me, not the issue! The better team always advances , EOD.
However, to me, the big fucking problem with BO1 formats like this is that you get to see your favorite or top team play 2, only 2, maps. And then its over, done. And this also goes for the lesser teams who have probably prepared and worked their ass off to get to the turnament and perform well, and then a team like luminosity also plays just two maps. It must be so frustrating. And for a viewer it is almost like a joke.
Well the better team that match advances, sure. The problem is that in a bo1 the better team isn't necessarily the better team overall. There isn't really a format where we can 100% say that the overall better team won, but the more maps are played the better obviously. bo3 is just the best format, it's possible timewise and way superior to bo1 to have the better team advancing. If we now get three bo3 matches where the eu teams wins 2:0 you will see what i meant with "it's bad for the viewers"
n0thing is so lost sometimes, it's almost comical. When their reads are good, they almost roll nV. Thank god shroud just got a clutch, but Ska really shuda got that previous one...
On July 04 2015 00:11 Otolia wrote: EnvyUs also had a difficult win against Dignitas last week. It's not like they're the most consistent team in the world.
I can't decide if this was C9 winning or NV losing lol. No but seriously, well played by C9, they played better. What the HELL was going on with NV there? Seemed like they didn't care at all?
On July 04 2015 01:07 NihiLStarcraft wrote: I can't decide if this was C9 winning or NV losing lol. No but seriously, well played by C9, they played better. What the HELL was going on with NV there? Seemed like they didn't care at all?
i do not want to reduce what c9 did but seriously nV played like it was a random ranked match sometimes wtf
That American swagger, refreshing to see in an eSport "Yeah, I said last night - 'we're gonna 2-0 em'". I'm all for the humble players like Pasha and most Euros, but seeing some confidence and bravado is nice too. At least this sport doesn't have to deal with super awkward Korean champagne ceremonies and "I will show good games" as every interview. Olof is pretty confident but he's literally the best player in the entire world.
Can Keyd keep it rolling? I think this is going to be a swift 2-0 from fNatic, they're pissed about losing that bo1 yesterday.
On July 04 2015 01:25 Crownlol wrote: That American swagger, refreshing to see in an eSport "Yeah, I said last night - 'we're gonna 2-0 em'". I'm all for the humble players like Pasha and most Euros, but seeing some confidence and bravado is nice too. At least this sport doesn't have to deal with super awkward Korean champagne ceremonies and "I will show good games" as every interview. Olof is pretty confident but he's literally the best player in the entire world.
Can Keyd keep it rolling? I think this is going to be a swift 2-0 from fNatic, they're pissed about losing that bo1 yesterday.
in esport you can't trash talk teams with huge fanbase otherwise you create a huge shit storm
On July 03 2015 16:58 Ota Solgryn wrote: I can see arguments for and against that TSM shoul just have been more prepared then they would advance in the turnament.
Often when people discuss BO1 vs BO3 the discussion goes on that the better team has more probability to advance. This is, to me, not the issue! The better team always advances , EOD.
However, to me, the big fucking problem with BO1 formats like this is that you get to see your favorite or top team play 2, only 2, maps. And then its over, done. And this also goes for the lesser teams who have probably prepared and worked their ass off to get to the turnament and perform well, and then a team like luminosity also plays just two maps. It must be so frustrating. And for a viewer it is almost like a joke.
Well the better team that match advances, sure. The problem is that in a bo1 the better team isn't necessarily the better team overall. There isn't really a format where we can 100% say that the overall better team won, but the more maps are played the better obviously. bo3 is just the best format, it's possible timewise and way superior to bo1 to have the better team advancing. If we now get three bo3 matches where the eu teams wins 2:0 you will see what i meant with "it's bad for the viewers"
Still, the argument is terrible. When will the better team win? Bo3, bo5 bo7? In Dota its BO7 i think and so in SC2? It is equal to all.
On July 03 2015 16:58 Ota Solgryn wrote: I can see arguments for and against that TSM shoul just have been more prepared then they would advance in the turnament.
Often when people discuss BO1 vs BO3 the discussion goes on that the better team has more probability to advance. This is, to me, not the issue! The better team always advances , EOD.
However, to me, the big fucking problem with BO1 formats like this is that you get to see your favorite or top team play 2, only 2, maps. And then its over, done. And this also goes for the lesser teams who have probably prepared and worked their ass off to get to the turnament and perform well, and then a team like luminosity also plays just two maps. It must be so frustrating. And for a viewer it is almost like a joke.
Well the better team that match advances, sure. The problem is that in a bo1 the better team isn't necessarily the better team overall. There isn't really a format where we can 100% say that the overall better team won, but the more maps are played the better obviously. bo3 is just the best format, it's possible timewise and way superior to bo1 to have the better team advancing. If we now get three bo3 matches where the eu teams wins 2:0 you will see what i meant with "it's bad for the viewers"
Still, the argument is terrible. When will the better team win? Bo3, bo5 bo7? In Dota its BO7 i think and so in SC2? It is equal to all.
It's not terrible and there is no definite number of games which will make 100% sure that the better team wins. (as i said already) The point is that bo3 is clearly superior AND doable in a tournament setting.
On July 03 2015 16:58 Ota Solgryn wrote: I can see arguments for and against that TSM shoul just have been more prepared then they would advance in the turnament.
Often when people discuss BO1 vs BO3 the discussion goes on that the better team has more probability to advance. This is, to me, not the issue! The better team always advances , EOD.
However, to me, the big fucking problem with BO1 formats like this is that you get to see your favorite or top team play 2, only 2, maps. And then its over, done. And this also goes for the lesser teams who have probably prepared and worked their ass off to get to the turnament and perform well, and then a team like luminosity also plays just two maps. It must be so frustrating. And for a viewer it is almost like a joke.
Well the better team that match advances, sure. The problem is that in a bo1 the better team isn't necessarily the better team overall. There isn't really a format where we can 100% say that the overall better team won, but the more maps are played the better obviously. bo3 is just the best format, it's possible timewise and way superior to bo1 to have the better team advancing. If we now get three bo3 matches where the eu teams wins 2:0 you will see what i meant with "it's bad for the viewers"
Still, the argument is terrible. When will the better team win? Bo3, bo5 bo7? In Dota its BO7 i think and so in SC2? It is equal to all.
It's not terrible and there is no definite number of games which will make 100% sure that the better team wins. (as i said already) The point is that bo3 is clearly superior AND doable in a tournament setting.
The argument is terrible because people like you make an ultimate statement like BO3 is supperior. It is ONLY supperior if you want the teams that are slow starters, that are more skilled maybe aimwise to win.
What happened at this turnament was teams that clearly prepared specific strats against other teams. E.g. C9 vs NV. That is more possible in a BO1, which to me makes BO1 sometimes more interesting becuase new, "sniper" strats are made. Like in BW. So in this regard BO1 is more superior and interesting.
I still agree playing 2 maps and going out is bad, but saying BO3 is clearly better is just to narrow minded.
On July 03 2015 16:58 Ota Solgryn wrote: I can see arguments for and against that TSM shoul just have been more prepared then they would advance in the turnament.
Often when people discuss BO1 vs BO3 the discussion goes on that the better team has more probability to advance. This is, to me, not the issue! The better team always advances , EOD.
However, to me, the big fucking problem with BO1 formats like this is that you get to see your favorite or top team play 2, only 2, maps. And then its over, done. And this also goes for the lesser teams who have probably prepared and worked their ass off to get to the turnament and perform well, and then a team like luminosity also plays just two maps. It must be so frustrating. And for a viewer it is almost like a joke.
Well the better team that match advances, sure. The problem is that in a bo1 the better team isn't necessarily the better team overall. There isn't really a format where we can 100% say that the overall better team won, but the more maps are played the better obviously. bo3 is just the best format, it's possible timewise and way superior to bo1 to have the better team advancing. If we now get three bo3 matches where the eu teams wins 2:0 you will see what i meant with "it's bad for the viewers"
Still, the argument is terrible. When will the better team win? Bo3, bo5 bo7? In Dota its BO7 i think and so in SC2? It is equal to all.
It's not terrible and there is no definite number of games which will make 100% sure that the better team wins. (as i said already) The point is that bo3 is clearly superior AND doable in a tournament setting.
The argument is terrible because people like you make an ultimate statement like BO3 is supperior. It is ONLY supperior if you want the teams that are slow starters, that are more skilled maybe aimwise to win.
What happened at this turnament was teams that clearly prepared specific strats against other teams. E.g. C9 vs NV. That is more possible in a BO1, which to me makes BO1 sometimes more interesting becuase new, "sniper" strats are made. Like in BW. So in this regard BO1 is more superior and interesting.
I still agree playing 2 maps and going out is bad, but saying BO3 is clearly better is just to narrow minded.
Bo3 is clearly better. If only for the fact that we get to see more matchs. And then its also vastly superior because it promotes consistency and overall the better teams. Is this really up for discussion?
I would go even further. In a tournament where we only have 8 teams for 4 days, round robin should be bo3s, and semi-finals and final should be bo5s ideally. More than enough time for this, and overall way better for the spectators and the players (get the show more).
Mensol thats known since day 1. CLG even said on their comms something about "Should we let them know we can hear the casters?" when they played Fnatic.
CLG improved as a team. They need to learn to listen to FNS's calls. Watching their POV's you could see that he calls something and they do something else entirely.
C9 well deserved to be in the finals.If sean knows the playbook of the opponent IGL , C9 can give any team a good run for their money.That's how good his anti-stratting is.
I honestly see Cloud 9 taking at the very least 1 map off Fnatic, but winning 2 maps or even the whole bo5 is a long shot by far unless fnatic is REALLY off their game tomorrow
I cannot see C9 taking a BO5 against Fnatic. For all their good work C9 prepared for weeks for EnvyUs and were lucky that they faced them thrice in their road to the Finals. You can see how C9 fell apart once they played VP and Sean didn't have the godlike reads on VP as he has on EnvyUs. Also the BO5 format favours Fnatic way too much , C9 can maybe take Cache and Dust2 but I don't see them winning any other map against Fnatic.
Still massive Improvement from the NA region as a whole , I'm already pumped up for ESWC next week.
I would never in a million years would have thought of C9 winning Cobble against Fnatic. It's C9's first veto every match and Fnatic is THE Best team on that map.
At least against envyus they lost every pistol round and even lost 5 or 6 rounds in a row and came back. Oh and sick job by Ska his quad on b site was amazing and secured that round for sure.
Watching the Fnatic POV , Goddamn Olofmeister makes his aim look like an Aimbot , perfect 3 bullet sprays and headshots for days. Coming from watching the C9 Pov's , I'm more than impressed that they could take 1 map away from Fnatic with Olof hitting shots like that.
...if cloud9 wins against fnatic, and noone of them pulls of a shaguar, I am disapointed. Or they let it get up to inferno, win a round, pull a shaguar and get destroyed afterwards. Both would equally satisfy me
On July 06 2015 05:29 plasmidghost wrote: I don't really follow CS:GO so I don't know how good Cloud 9 is relative to the other teams, but I'm glad they're winning!
Their past performances would indicate that they are at least a decent margin behind fnatic.
On July 06 2015 05:29 plasmidghost wrote: I don't really follow CS:GO so I don't know how good Cloud 9 is relative to the other teams, but I'm glad they're winning!
you know how foreigners were never able to compete with the koreans in sc2 apart from a few chosen ones like jinro/stephano/nani ? People expected, before this tournament started, that there isn't such a foreigner in NA :D
On July 06 2015 05:29 plasmidghost wrote: I don't really follow CS:GO so I don't know how good Cloud 9 is relative to the other teams, but I'm glad they're winning!
Their past performances would indicate that they are at least a decent margin behind fnatic.
On July 06 2015 05:29 plasmidghost wrote: I don't really follow CS:GO so I don't know how good Cloud 9 is relative to the other teams, but I'm glad they're winning!
you know how foreigners were never able to compete with the koreans in sc2 apart from a few chosen ones like jinro/stephano/nani ? People expected, before this tournament started, that there isn't such a foreigner in NA :D
I'm glad the Americans are proving them wrong then
On July 06 2015 05:52 Laserist wrote: Hard to admit but Fnatic plays really good those last rounds.
your right of course... now playing is the fnatic we all predicted to win the tournament. But C9 is really fucking this one up. If you want to win one of the biggest tournaments, than you really shouldn't lose every number advantage situation :D
I blame that dust 2 loss on nothing. He's playing like a moron at b, letting fnatic get the easy entries into the site and winning the match of if that
C9 and NA as a whole has shown massive improvement. Fnatic, like every other time went into overdrive when they knew they couldn't lose another round. Exciting times ahead.
I don't think C9 doing well means NA as a region is that much better, I just think C9 are a pretty damn good team at the moment. It doesn't surprise me at all considering they're 1 player away from having something resembling an NA super team (replace n0thing with nitr0?) but I like how this roster looks now. I think if the other NA teams try their best to be able to beat C9 the region can get better, but they need that motivation and then to execute on it. The difference between C9 and the other NA team (Luminosity) is massive.
Should have been a 3-1 win for C9, really played some excellent CS.
Hopefully the other NA teams are also improving by having to play against them - CLG, Liquid looking pretty good. More than that, EU teams are looking mighty beatable.
On July 07 2015 01:11 Muffloe wrote: I think Cloud 9 played really good, but I don't think it "should have been a 3-1 for C9". Fnatic picked up and showed that they're the better team
Nah you don't understand, when c9 plays well it's cause they are good, when fnatic plays well it's cause c9 choked. You really have to work on your NA fanboying!