Ya don't get me wrong, rust base building isn't great- but at least when you build it you feel like it- it has a purpose. Having other players competing for survival is what adds to the world!

I don't know how it would work- you would need to make some areas- "safe zones" etc for missions. But maybe the open world itself PvP? Would need a lot of work to make it playable I agree.

Spiller

United States106 Posts

November 12 2015 21:08 GMT

#1002

Are you people complaining about too much power armor actually still in the "early game though". Yeah they give it to you super early but I'm level 8 or 9 and have done a few side quests (main quest I've been to D city but haven't done the rescue yet) and I haven't found any other fusion cores that I know of. Are you guys really finding that many early on or are you just super high level from playing so much and it's thrown off you're perspective of how far into the game you are

Sounds reasonable to me to start getting power armor stuff around level 15-20. actually now that I say that I'm not even sure what the level cap is.

But anyway even if you get power armor cores early doesn't mean you have to use them.

farvacola

United States18857 Posts

November 12 2015 21:12 GMT

#1003

Anyone got a good sense for how workable a non-power armor playthrough is? As someone who hasn't had the time to play yet, I can't quite tell if the game properly allows for a power armorless playthrough.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

November 12 2015 21:19 GMT

#1004

You can even do a pacifist playthrough. I mean people will die but not because you shot em!

farvacola

United States18857 Posts

November 12 2015 21:21 GMT

#1005

Hmm, yeah, that makes sense, only I'm wondering more as to whether or not I can go with my favorite way to play FO, that being with a squishy marksman who just doesn't give a fuck

m4ini

4215 Posts

November 12 2015 21:30 GMT

#1006

On November 13 2015 06:12 farvacola wrote:
Anyone got a good sense for how workable a non-power armor playthrough is? As someone who hasn't had the time to play yet, I can't quite tell if the game properly allows for a power armorless playthrough.

Challenging. But entirely possible if you have the patience - you will need to F9 quite alot, since a single grenade on higher difficulties will reck you. And i'm talking, splash, not even a full hit.

I for example do.

And about the "can't find fusion cores", one of the cornerstones of Fallout is walking around and "checking" stuff.. I arrived in sanctuary with 3 powercores. The one that was in the suit plus two more. I'd actually say it's entirely possible to not leave the powersuit in a whole playthrough.

edit: and lol, yeah.. Squishy marksman fits my playstyle. Sprinkled with charisma, to be able to build trading posts in my settlements (luck = 1, so i don't find many bottlecaps - traders help with that). It's entirely possible to play through the game like that - the only thing you can't do is max out Paladin Danse's affection, because he gets hard ons everytime you get in your power armor/paint it. But he's boring anyway.

Sounds reasonable to me to start getting power armor stuff around level 15-20. actually now that I say that I'm not even sure what the level cap is.

I reached 20 with around 30 cores, could've pretty much easily played from 10 to 20 just in power armor and then some.

There is, afaik, no level cap either.

Nyxisto

Germany6287 Posts

November 12 2015 21:33 GMT

#1007

I've never used the power armor, it's very playable even on high difficulties. The one thing that annoys me though are these fucking giant mosquitoes, they're worse than the damn Cazadores! (ok not really but they're pretty bad)

m4ini

4215 Posts

November 12 2015 21:37 GMT

#1008

On November 13 2015 06:33 Nyxisto wrote:
I've never used the power armor, it's very playable even on high difficulties. The one thing that annoys me though are these fucking giant mosquitoes, they're worse than the damn Cazadores! (ok not really but they're pretty bad)

There's worse flying stuff to come

edit: think mosquitoes, but alot faster, and stinging. Forgot the name now, but every time i hear them now i panic.

Nyxisto

Germany6287 Posts

November 12 2015 21:45 GMT

#1009

oh those are the ones I meant. They poison you so fast if you're low on HP you can't even counter-stim it : (

m4ini

4215 Posts

November 12 2015 21:56 GMT

#1010

Sounds about right, and on top of that, they need at least 3 .50cal headshots. Quite the task while running around screaming like a girl.

Latham

9576 Posts

November 12 2015 22:06 GMT

#1011

I also played through my playthrough on survival without the power armor now up to lv 12 in Diamond City. It's pretty hard because of the nade spam and having to literally head-shot some guys 3-5x before they die, but I guess that's the artificial difficulty.

When do you guys use your VATs? I literally fight without VATs 95% of the time. Only time I turned them on was vs flying things like bloatflies and mosquitoes. I know PERCEPTION affects hit chance in VATs and you need some levels for perks, but I was thinking about maybe making a character with a lot of charisma and luck.

For my first playthrough I made a pretty balanced char with 4STR 6PER 4END 4CHR 5INT 5AGI 1LK

m4ini

4215 Posts

November 12 2015 22:10 GMT

#1012

Sniping i do by hand, VATs every now and then in close combat and especially against ghuls. A hit will throw them back instead of launching themselves at you. Or against legendaries/bosses, i use the guaranteed crit-thing.

Nyxisto

Germany6287 Posts

November 12 2015 22:59 GMT

#1013

Rarely use VATs any more but used it extensively in the other games. I feel like in Fallout 3 and NV the recoil and spray was way more random than in 4 and manual aiming has become a lot easier. I feel like the game pushes you towards action oriented combat quite heavily

RagequitBM

Canada2270 Posts

November 12 2015 23:04 GMT

#1014

I've used the power armor once since getting it and that was for + Show Spoiler +

the swan

LaNague

Germany9118 Posts

November 12 2015 23:40 GMT

#1015

if you want vats gameplay, get ap regen in agi and look at that luck tree, its like 5 perks that all have synergy with each other.

btw, my performance problems come solely from lights, the more lights in view, the lower the fps by a large margin.
And my card isnt used more, the fps just goes down, it still has around 20% more in it.
Acutally, the usage is higher at 60 fps than when it goes lower, indicating some kinds of block in the code.

m4ini

4215 Posts

November 12 2015 23:59 GMT

#1016

Not all options are accessible in the options menu though, i heard things like godrays eat performance like crazy.

There's a mod on reddit somewhere, which lets you fine-tune the settings.

Should be on nexus as well, i guess. Only read it in the news on 4players.

Nyxisto

Germany6287 Posts

November 13 2015 01:13 GMT

#1017

The one thing I really don't get, why do we still have 2008 controls on the PC. They could have just pasted SkyUI from Skyrim into the game for the PC version.

bo1b

Australia12814 Posts

November 13 2015 05:22 GMT

#1018

On November 13 2015 10:13 Nyxisto wrote:
The one thing I really don't get, why do we still have 2008 controls on the PC. They could have just pasted SkyUI from Skyrim into the game for the PC version.

This is a company using an engine they first used on morrowind I believe, 13 years of getting away with a trash engine has made them realise they can get away with everything.

Yurie

12084 Posts

November 13 2015 06:11 GMT

#1019

The UI works decently on console. They didn't want to make 2 UI?

Jayme

United States5866 Posts

November 13 2015 10:08 GMT

#1020

On November 13 2015 15:11 Yurie wrote:

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The UI works decently on console. They didn't want to make 2 UI?

This game has basically confirmed that I need to never buy PC ports ever again. It feels so terrible and companies don't want to make a second UI for the PC.

That and it seems to hold back the graphics too. Want more straight PC games but that isn't ever happening with this climate.