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On April 23 2015 22:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 22:07 IntoTheheart wrote:On April 23 2015 22:04 Plansix wrote:On April 23 2015 22:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:
only 4 races?
is everything else going to DLC hell? Starcraft has 3 races. Same with Dawn of War. They can't model swap in this game. Do you have any guesses on how they'll handle a campaign map with four races? Or do you reckon that they're also changing that up by quite a bit? edit: Note that Shogun II only really had one real faction, and everything else was a variation of it, and it worked pretty well. I don't know, that is an interesting question. The green skins don't have a specific territory. Same with the vampire counts, if I remember correctly. So they might section off parts of the empire and dwarven lands to be "occupied" and left the rest of the world "off map" to be added later. The sad part for me is it will be forever before they add wood elves.
I suspect that they might just kinda do the moving horde mechanic (I'm not at all familiar with Warhammer, but I'm well-versed in TW) seen in Rome: Barbarian Invasion, where the greenskins just have an army, and can settle down where they want, while losing parts of their army. It worked in Barbarian Invasion, but I don't know if that would fit the game thematically.
Also, I wouldn't worry about the Wood Elves; DLC bleeding will probably be extreme in this title.
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To be honest, I am into the DLC bleeding if the races are fully functional and had the depth of customization that they have in the table top game. Pimping out heroes with amazing weapons, selecting banners and mages with specific spell kits part of the joy of the game. If they sell me 2 new races for $20-$30 every 3-4 months, I won't mind at all. As long as we can all fight against them, it will be just like the table top game.
Edit: To be clear, this is only if the races are fully fictional and awesome. If they are just blobby reskins with stat adjustments, fuck that.
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On April 23 2015 22:21 Plansix wrote:
To be honest, I am into the DLC bleeding if the races are fully functional and had the depth of customization that they have in the table top game. Pimping out heroes with amazing weapons, selecting banners and mages with specific spell kits part of the joy of the game. If they sell me 2 new races for $20-$30 every 3-4 months, I won't mind at all. As long as we can all fight against them, it will be just like the table top game.
Edit: To be clear, this is only if the races are fully fictional and awesome. If they are just blobby reskins with stat adjustments, fuck that.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was also similar to the Rome 2 model, where the factions are actually in the game at first, but they make you pay to control those units.
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On April 23 2015 22:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
Do we know if they've made a new engine for this, or is it still Warscape?
No information afaik... The only things we have thus far is their general business plan (3 parts), the trailer and their statement that there will be no modding.
On April 23 2015 22:10 Plansix wrote:
The sad part for me is it will be forever before they add wood elves.
I feel you... My main races are Khemri and Dark Elves.
Will probably wait until they have more races available and the game is in a playable state... and then buy it in a bundle with all DLCs during sale or something like that.
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Could someone please explain to me what's happening in the trailer? Is it the start of the undead faction?
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On April 23 2015 22:08 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 22:07 Nezgar wrote:On April 23 2015 21:55 Plansix wrote:
I totally understand that Rome 2 was a hot mess, but they have made more good games than shitty ones. I think people can be excited about this with the full understanding they are not going to pre-order it. From the information they have released thus far it looks more like Rome 2 than their good TW games. And I'd rather have them spend another year on the game in order to fully flesh out everything and add more than just those 4 races instead of feeding us piecemeal. And no modding is a big deal as well. It's like they are saying "you folks are too good at fixing out stuff, it makes us look bad" which is true, as sad as it may sound. And it's also in order to shut down any mods that might add races that they want to charge us in future DLCs for. But we'll see, maybe some of the massive amount of negative critique has reached their ears, there's hoping... Do we know if they've made a new engine for this, or is it still Warscape?
Warscape from what I read on TW-center.
For the elves you could use a tons of models for all 3 races so it could be only 1 DLC and a quick one. Kehmri on the other hand... let's not even speak about chaos dwarves !
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I was hyped until I didn't find a 40K tag anywhere. WH fatansy or Tolkien's fantasy, or any other fantasy... is just meh. Been there, done that.
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i don't think a futuristic ranged combat-style would fit in a total war game
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I have a love with WH fantasy because it is Tolkien as if every scene was the cover of a heavy metal album. And the magic + hero combat was always the highlight of the table top game.
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On April 23 2015 22:28 IntoTheheart wrote:
Could someone please explain to me what's happening in the trailer? Is it the start of the undead faction?
He turns to "Chaos" (kinda the uber bad guys in the Warhammer universe).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_(Warhammer)
Basically "emotions/passions" turned to the max:
Khorne: God of bloodlust, war, death, blood, and skulls. Khorne favours close combat, abhorring wizards (in Warhammer Fantasy) or psykers (in Warhammer 40,000), considering them cowardly. In addition to blood and war, Khorne is also the god of courage and honor, but these trappings are always eventually discarded in favor of the primary goal of killing. While he blesses his followers by granting them strength and martial prowess, Khorne does not truly care who spills blood, so long as the blood continues to be spilled. Khorne is arguably the most powerful of the four Chaos Gods.
Tzeentch: God of change, fate, mutation, hope, and knowledge. Tzeentch's followers are powerful sorcerers who prefer to channel the energies of the Warp (Warhammer 40,000), or Winds of Magic (Warhammer Fantasy) at a distance rather than get close to enemies. Tzeentch is always scheming, his every action feeding into his great plots that only he can comprehend. Tzeentch controls and manipulates the fates of all and weaves them intricately into his devious web of manipulation and hunger for power.
Nurgle: God of plague, despair, disease and death. Represented by the green color and the symbol of three circles and arrows. He is the oldest of the Chaos Gods. Nurgle is a warm and welcoming god who gifts his followers with poxes and boils, rashes and sores. His power comes from the inevitability of death and decay, and Nurgle is often referred to as 'Grandfather Nurgle', as entropy is the most ancient of forces, and he is the only one who even pretends to care for his followers. Nurgle thrives in death and decay, growing more powerful as great plagues spread, and his servants seek only to spread disease. Nurgle prides himself on the achievements of his followers, "gifting" them with hideous diseases while sheltering them from pain, and his followers rejoice in their blessings, shrugging off lethality and disfigurement in a state of rapturous undeath. People in sickness might pray to Nurgle for relief, but rather than heal the sick, Nurgle helps them endure their illness by removing their pain and misery, all the while exacerbating their physical degeneration.
Slaanesh: God of lust, pleasure, desire, and excess. In both settings, he is the youngest of the four gods; he is typically considered androgynous, and while he is usually referred to as being male, in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, the Eldar races consider him to be female. His followers seek only to indulge in whatever fleeting whims and desires they feel, and they tend to become graceful, beautiful warriors who harbor selfish, cruel souls. In the Warhammer 40,000 background, he was birthed from the excesses and hedonism of the Eldar society. His birth created a psychic shockwave that spread across the galaxy, killing most of the Eldar population and their gods; the survivors split into the various Eldar factions. It also created the largest warp storm in the Milky Way, the Eye of Terror, which later became the main residence of the scattered Chaos Space Marines. The fall of the Eldar empire paved the way for the rise of the Imperium of Man. In Warhammer Fantasy, his followers are partly responsible for the corruption of an important Elven leader named Malekith, and the subsequent schism that led to the formation of the Dark and High Elf races.
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I'm guessing that the guy wasn't just some ordinary guy.
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I expect - Four races for the initial prize, 1 more for pre-ordering the game(then of course locking it for everyone else, unless they pay extra), the rest of the races will be DLCs. Of course the game will be unfinished and unplayable at release...
I hate the current state of gaming.
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On April 23 2015 23:02 IntoTheheart wrote:I'm guessing that the guy wasn't just some ordinary guy.
He is a priest/wizard of Sigmar, which is the god of the Empire. The nature of Chaos in the Warhammer universe is that is corrupts people who even study it or expose themselves to it, even if their intent is to fight it. There are no Deckard Cain's in the Warhammer universe, which is part of Chaos's power that no one that opposes it truly understands it.
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I don't really know much about "classic" Warhammer.
But in 40k.. Psykers (read Mages) are prone to get corrupted by Chaos because they draw into the Warp (the realm of Chaos) to get their powers... He looks like a Mage/Priest so he is a prime target for corruption by Tzeentch.
Read about it. WH40k lore is really something else... Orks aren't even "evil" in WH40k, they just like to brawl/fight... Chaos on the other hand is basically pure motherfucking corruption :D.
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Ork's a pretty similar in the Fantasy, they just light to fight and use squigs for stuff. The elves are dicks, wood elves too. Dwarves are dwarves and humans use guns, fire and dumb hats to fight evil. And everyone has dragons because dragons are dope.
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Thanks for all your insights, guys!
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I want this even more than medieval 3. Too bad games workshop won't allow modding.
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On April 23 2015 23:25 Weavel wrote:
I want this even more than medieval 3. Too bad games workshop won't allow modding.
Reading from Tw-center it looks like the deal at the moment is that CA won't support modding with tools, not that there won't be any modding. Doesn't look good but it's not hopeless at the moment.
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On April 23 2015 23:28 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 23:25 Weavel wrote:
I want this even more than medieval 3. Too bad games workshop won't allow modding. Reading from Tw-center it looks like the deal at the moment is that CA won't support modding with tools, not that there won't be any modding. Doesn't look good but it's not hopeless at the moment.
if they get their shit together, modding hopefully will not be needed. modding is always nice but if the game is awesome its ok if there is none.
it was modding though that made rome 2 playable the first 6 months.
but like i said. a total war battlesimulation in the warhammer universe? SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY :D
(yes yes i know im a biased warhammer fanboy. but with pride!)
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! AND SKULLS FOR HIS THRONE!
edit: btw i think some chaos factions are dlcs aswell. probably part of the pre-order dlc. since chaos and its 4 gods are easily split into 3 faction (dont think slaneesh could be an own army that would make sense). khorne,tzeentch and nurgle are so so different with so many special units that you could easily make 3 armies out of it. they are probably the pre-order dlcs like the greek states in rome 2.
its funny because which antique faction everybody wanted to play in rome 2? OFC the spartans. but hey lets make them a dlc. same goes for chaos army fighting for khorne. khornes troops basically are the evil spartans of the warhammer world.
seriously who doesnt want to lead an army containing elite troops like that on the battlefield
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On April 23 2015 22:59 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 22:28 IntoTheheart wrote:
Could someone please explain to me what's happening in the trailer? Is it the start of the undead faction? He turns to "Chaos" (kinda the uber bad guys in the Warhammer universe). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_(Warhammer)Basically "emotions/passions" turned to the max: [bunch of uninteresting stuff] Slaanesh: God of lust, pleasure, desire, and excess. In both settings, he is the youngest of the four gods; he is typically considered androgynous, and while he is usually referred to as being male, in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, the Eldar races consider him to be female. His followers seek only to indulge in whatever fleeting whims and desires they feel, and they tend to become graceful, beautiful warriors who harbor selfish, cruel souls. In the Warhammer 40,000 background, he was birthed from the excesses and hedonism of the Eldar society. His birth created a psychic shockwave that spread across the galaxy, killing most of the Eldar population and their gods; the survivors split into the various Eldar factions. It also created the largest warp storm in the Milky Way, the Eye of Terror, which later became the main residence of the scattered Chaos Space Marines. The fall of the Eldar empire paved the way for the rise of the Imperium of Man. In Warhammer Fantasy, his followers are partly responsible for the corruption of an important Elven leader named Malekith, and the subsequent schism that led to the formation of the Dark and High Elf races.
There you go, filtered all the unnecessary gods out for you.
A damn shame that there is no Chaos, most interesting evil faction...
On April 24 2015 00:14 MotherOfRunes wrote:
they are probably the pre-order dlcs like the greek states in rome 2.
its funny because which antique faction everybody wanted to play in rome 2? OFC the spartans. but hey lets make them a dlc.
That's the most likely case... Keep the interesting races for DLCs to get people to buy them and at the same time shut down modding to prevent people from creating those on their own.
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