Has anyone seen this kind of behaviour anywhere else?
When you look at the slow motion of him swithing his target from ramp doorway to toxic on the first scene, his crosshair seems to piggybag very precisely on the target for a while before he throws it completely off.
Is this something that can be explained by demo inconsistency, slow motion, random coincidence or insanely precise aim or something? I don't think I've seen that kind of stuff from anybody else at least.
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On a more serious note, I think it might be a good idea to have a separate thread for this if people keep talking about it. I'd rather not have the HLTV stuff where Flusha gets brought up in every thread and starts a flamewar right away. Then again I think it would be really good to have a proper discussion about him/pro level cheating because I feel a bit uneasy watching any Fnatic games nowadays.
On January 22 2015 01:27 GuiBz wrote: I dont even play MM anymore. It's almost impossible to be sure if a person cheating or not. Valve has failed at caghting cheaters. Also, the servers are very shitty. That's why I play ESEA. No more hackers, 128 tick servers, life is beautiful.
No hackers on ESEA? I think you're very wrong there. There are less hackers, because it's more expensive to cheat on ESEA.
Say what you want about ESEA, but this is hilarious. a player from ESP got banned on stream mid match for using walls and esea admins told everyone this was going to happen an hour before the livebroadcast
Again, please point ANYTHING out that can clear his name. In meantime, I'm not gonna think he's legit. There is ZERO explanation for these mouse gestures. These don't happen to ANYBODY but him. Any perspective on this? Any explanation (except for he-lifts-his-mouse-alot-and-he-hits-his-keyboard-garbage?....)
EDIT: Superdrunk here, you might wanna disregard my posts ut really? really really?
This this dude in an esea pug this morning, kid dropped a 40+ bomb and played way too fishy in the pug (was making plays that no normal player was making). What a waste of a premier spot man :/
This this dude in an esea pug this morning, kid dropped a 40+ bomb and played way too fishy in the pug (was making plays that no normal player was making). What a waste of a premier spot man :/
Still kind of amazes me how somebody puts 2200 hours into a game and then gets caught cheating. It just doesn't make any sense.
This is one of the most blatant wallers I have ever encountered. Feast your eyes. This is a DMG level game. I just played it, and it killed my desire to keep playing
On January 25 2015 10:53 NihiLStarcraft wrote: Again, please point ANYTHING out that can clear his name. In meantime, I'm not gonna think he's legit. There is ZERO explanation for these mouse gestures. These don't happen to ANYBODY but him. Any perspective on this? Any explanation (except for he-lifts-his-mouse-alot-and-he-hits-his-keyboard-garbage?....)
EDIT: Superdrunk here, you might wanna disregard my posts ut really? really really?
The burden of proof is not on the defendant to "clear his name". The burden of proof is on the accuser to prove that he cheated.
There's no fucking way to say "that guy has never cheated in his entire life", so your "guilty until proven innocent" decision is just laughable.
That post is a month old and I was really drunk when posting it as it says, here's my up-to-date thoughts:
In flusha's case it all comes down to whether or not you take the bunch of circumstantial evidence (the clips where he *seems* to lock on to heads) as direct evidence or not. It's a subjective thing.
Imagine a potential serial killer that is so smart that nobody ever finds direct evidence of him having killed anybody but there's lots of little connections and traces that link him up with a bunch of mysterious deaths. Is he guilty? That's for the court to decide, ultimately it's up to the judge to... well... judge whether or not the bunch of circumstantial evidence is enough to proove him guilt or not.
I think it's of course perfectly valid to say that, so far, there's no direct evidence of flusha ever cheating in any way so he's innocent. For me personally, I tend towards guilty because of the sheer number of weird clips out there and the fact that this stuff does certainly not happen to anybody but him.
On February 25 2015 00:20 NihiLStarcraft wrote: the sheer number of weird clips out there and the fact that this stuff does certainly not happen to anybody but him.
Your first point here contradicts your second point. Because he's been under a microscope, with every single match analyzed time and again, there's so much more material on him.
Did you see the "prove this guy is hacking" contest that happened a while back? People made some convincing videos from confirmed non-hacking players' demos. You can't say "these weird moments don't happen to anyone else" because **no one else is scrutinized**.
I hate hacking probably more than anyone. I've advocated for hackers' entire accounts and IPs to be banned, and for Steam accounts to require identity authentication to create.
But I hate witchhunts. If someone proves that Flusha has been hacking, I'll jump on the bandwagon and hate him out of pro esports forever. Until then, you have to assume he's legit until someone actually proves something.
On February 25 2015 00:20 NihiLStarcraft wrote: the sheer number of weird clips out there and the fact that this stuff does certainly not happen to anybody but him.
Your first point here contradicts your second point. Because he's been under a microscope, with every single match analyzed time and again, there's so much more material on him.
Did you see the "prove this guy is hacking" contest that happened a while back? People made some convincing videos from confirmed non-hacking players' demos. You can't say "these weird moments don't happen to anyone else" because **no one else is scrutinized**.
I hate hacking probably more than anyone. I've advocated for hackers' entire accounts and IPs to be banned, and for Steam accounts to require identity authentication to create.
But I hate witchhunts. If someone proves that Flusha has been hacking, I'll jump on the bandwagon and hate him out of pro esports forever. Until then, you have to assume he's legit until someone actually proves something.
The idea that he looks suspicious because he's on the 'radar'/under the microscope is valid. However, I have seen those contests where people have tried to find clips of other players doing suspicious things like flusha as well. The outcome, the way I interpreted it, was that, while there were single individual sequences that were found, there was not a single player that had anywhere near the same amount of them as him.
There is no single clip of flusha doing anything that makes me go "that's it! he's hacking for sure now" - it's all about the mass of coincidences seen as a whole. And how to interpret that, if that is enough to consider him more likely guilty than innocent or the other way around, is subjective.
steam://rungame/730/76561202255233023/+csgo_download_match%20CSGO-FZVRy-yhWi8-QZkUk-BXXRr-qrzED just skip to round number 26 and watch the chloe amour guy... pretty sad, he was playing so bad the entire game, but you just can't do anything against this
On January 21 2015 04:47 Souma wrote: Whoa buddy, what cat's clawing at your balls tonight?
The point is to not just get blatant hackers, but subtle ones as well. And even if blatant ones will get banned eventually, the point is to get them banned as soon as possible with a higher rate of reports pushing them to Overwatch quicker. Plus, keeping track of who we reported with a list has the added benefit of providing justice porn for when they do get banned.
Also, in the world of Counter-Strike, the word "hacker" has a connotation for those using wall hacks/aim hacks. Believe it or not, a word can have more than one meaning.
You don't have to contribute, but please don't dampen the efforts of those who want to.
On January 20 2015 20:41 ahswtini wrote: Wait do reports via steam profile actually contribute to them getting overwatched?
I found this post in a Steam thread:
BurtonJ 09-15-2010, 03:14 PM We have a team of people that handle reported profiles every day. We get a lot of reports and they take time to investigate. The more unique reports a profile has, the quicker it will be investigated. You may also report such things via Steam Support.
I was not trying to belittle your work or anything. I was just trying to point out that a discussion on how to do a good job at overwatching would be much better than a thread to vent your rage at you latest MM loss to a cheater.
And on the topic of the word "hacker". Yes I do know that is widely misused in CS world, which is why I pointed that out. We should stop misusing it. "Hackers" are DDoSers and cheat providers, not people turning on wallhacks on csgo. But then again, its only my opinion that we should really try to use that word correctly and you don't have to take it at heart.
Complains that people misuse the word hacker, then says that DDoSing is hacking...
This this dude in an esea pug this morning, kid dropped a 40+ bomb and played way too fishy in the pug (was making plays that no normal player was making). What a waste of a premier spot man :/
Lately I've ran into lots of fishy player on ESEA, mainly a 300h account that played out of this world, and did shit that made no sense at all (as usual, would peek a corner while skipping 2 standard spots with no valid reason and prefire your face). Seems like I'm not just totally paranoid :D
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