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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-21 00:29:20
December 21 2015 00:28 GMT
#361
I stop playing for a couple months and so I'm really bad, trying to get my aim back in.

But I mean seriously. Two losses back to back then a win and I get deranked TWICE over that period? -_-

I genuinely didn't know that was possible.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 21 2015 01:47 GMT
#362
On December 11 2015 19:55 Ragnarork wrote:
600ish hours, and I don't think I got one. The other team usually surrenders when things go south too violently. :x


all my big wins were from placement matches for some reason, i had 2 x 16-0 and a 16-1 in a row, it was crazy.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
December 21 2015 17:11 GMT
#363
On December 21 2015 09:28 -Celestial- wrote:
I stop playing for a couple months and so I'm really bad, trying to get my aim back in.

But I mean seriously. Two losses back to back then a win and I get deranked TWICE over that period? -_-

I genuinely didn't know that was possible.


they recently adjusted the ranking system and pushed down everyones rank
im gay
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
December 22 2015 06:33 GMT
#364
On December 22 2015 02:11 whatusername wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2015 09:28 -Celestial- wrote:
I stop playing for a couple months and so I'm really bad, trying to get my aim back in.

But I mean seriously. Two losses back to back then a win and I get deranked TWICE over that period? -_-

I genuinely didn't know that was possible.


they recently adjusted the ranking system and pushed down everyones rank


Yeah seems like it. I didnt play for a couple of weeks in and around the new patch and had to win 3-4 games to get back to playing with LE/LEMs. First few games were like high dmg and and even some MG2 LE mixes. Really weird.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 22 2015 09:37 GMT
#365
We got a derank party yesterday, should all have come

(IIRC three of us got LE > DMG)

Time to get back to da pidgeon
LiquipediaWanderer
decemberscalm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1353 Posts
December 22 2015 11:52 GMT
#366
On December 22 2015 02:11 whatusername wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2015 09:28 -Celestial- wrote:
I stop playing for a couple months and so I'm really bad, trying to get my aim back in.

But I mean seriously. Two losses back to back then a win and I get deranked TWICE over that period? -_-

I genuinely didn't know that was possible.


they recently adjusted the ranking system and pushed down everyones rank

Also, CSGO's MMR decay is pretty fierce.

That alone will drop you some ranks after a few months time.
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 11:57:29
December 22 2015 11:56 GMT
#367
On December 22 2015 20:52 decemberscalm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 02:11 whatusername wrote:
On December 21 2015 09:28 -Celestial- wrote:
I stop playing for a couple months and so I'm really bad, trying to get my aim back in.

But I mean seriously. Two losses back to back then a win and I get deranked TWICE over that period? -_-

I genuinely didn't know that was possible.


they recently adjusted the ranking system and pushed down everyones rank

Also, CSGO's MMR decay is pretty fierce.

That alone will drop you some ranks after a few months time.


really? i played enough games to get ranked at 1ak when the game came out, stopped playing for a year, played 2 game and got 1ak back and then ranked up to 2ak, and then stopped for a year, and then when i started playing 2 weeks ago i got ranked at 2ak. doesn't seem to have decayed any
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
December 22 2015 19:33 GMT
#368
Valve adjusted the ranks recently so if you are above GN4 you're liable to drop easily
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 22 2015 21:40 GMT
#369
I seriously question how I'm playing with some of my teammates. Literal potatoes. Can't aim, don't use grenades, and don't make calls or trades. So stupid to lose t-side Cobble 11-4.
Writer@WriterYamato
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 22 2015 22:48 GMT
#370
On December 22 2015 18:37 Ragnarork wrote:
We got a derank party yesterday, should all have come

(IIRC three of us got LE > DMG)

Time to get back to da pidgeon


same. had won 4 out of 5. didn't play for a week. lost 14-16 and 2 of us went from LE to DMG.... zzz
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Cush
Profile Joined September 2010
United States646 Posts
December 23 2015 07:38 GMT
#371
I won 4 games in a row as a DMG and the 1 loss I get I GET FUCKING DEMOTED...AGAIN.

I went from LEM to MGE within a month....

I have to laugh to prevent myself from crying. I know its valve's fault but goddamn.
"That's not your main base Stardust.....Stardust.....that's not your main" Sayle
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-23 07:45:21
December 23 2015 07:44 GMT
#372
On December 23 2015 16:38 Cush wrote:
I won 4 games in a row as a DMG and the 1 loss I get I GET FUCKING DEMOTED...AGAIN.

I went from LEM to MGE within a month....

I have to laugh to prevent myself from crying. I know its valve's fault but goddamn.

my friend did the same, it's pretty brutal(he was LE but still)
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 23 2015 09:32 GMT
#373
On December 23 2015 16:38 Cush wrote:
I won 4 games in a row as a DMG and the 1 loss I get I GET FUCKING DEMOTED...AGAIN.

I went from LEM to MGE within a month....

I have to laugh to prevent myself from crying. I know its valve's fault but goddamn.


It was Valve's fault to give you a higher rank to begin with. Not to demote you now

Also, if that means Global will regain some kind of relevance, that's good for me. I don't really care about losing ranks.
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b3nd3r
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany158 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-23 10:40:58
December 23 2015 10:40 GMT
#374
In case someone missed the 'official' statement from Valve regarding rank changes:

"We did initiate a slow shift of the Skill Group boundaries recently, due to an increase in players and a substantial upward drift over time in the skill groups distribution. While this won’t impact the quality of your matches (you are matched based on an underlying rank value and not the visible Skill Group), many players will experience a change in their Skill Group as the distribution returns to a bell curve centered approximately at Gold Nova 4. We also shipped a recent update that will automatically monitor and maintain consistency of the players skill groups distribution. That should eliminate the need to make such disruptive boundary adjustments in the future."
Sweet photons. I don't know if you're waves or particles, but you go down smooth.
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
December 23 2015 12:22 GMT
#375
Demoting a ton of people is really demoralizing. I think valve shouldve just come up with a completely new set of ranks so no one feels like they lost "their" rank
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-23 14:38:04
December 23 2015 14:36 GMT
#376
On December 23 2015 21:22 rauk wrote:
Demoting a ton of people is really demoralizing. I think valve shouldve just come up with a completely new set of ranks so no one feels like they lost "their" rank


The way I see it, the changes were added across the board so if you end up where you belong skill wise thats all i care about. There were alot of inflated rank with shitty games at my level where dudes were just absolute trash or way better than me.

I just want good games and being able to learn and adjust to how people play as I get better. Im not interested in grinding ranks and losing doesn't bother me at all as long as the game is good.
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-23 14:47:31
December 23 2015 14:46 GMT
#377
On December 23 2015 23:36 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2015 21:22 rauk wrote:
Demoting a ton of people is really demoralizing. I think valve shouldve just come up with a completely new set of ranks so no one feels like they lost "their" rank


The way I see it, the changes were added across the board so if you end up where you belong skill wise thats all i care about. There were alot of inflated rank with shitty games at my level where dudes were just absolute trash or way better than me.


That's just the nature of team games. Your play isn't going to be 100% or even 80% all the time, teammates affect how well you do, maybe you're forced to play a different position than you're used to etc so there's a big variance in the performance of a player from game to game. This rank change doesn't affect the people you get in your games at all, ranks are just like big boxes around a certain mmr range and they just moved the boxes around a bit
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-23 16:17:40
December 23 2015 16:11 GMT
#378
On December 23 2015 23:46 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2015 23:36 Rebs wrote:
On December 23 2015 21:22 rauk wrote:
Demoting a ton of people is really demoralizing. I think valve shouldve just come up with a completely new set of ranks so no one feels like they lost "their" rank


The way I see it, the changes were added across the board so if you end up where you belong skill wise thats all i care about. There were alot of inflated rank with shitty games at my level where dudes were just absolute trash or way better than me.


That's just the nature of team games. Your play isn't going to be 100% or even 80% all the time, teammates affect how well you do, maybe you're forced to play a different position than you're used to etc so there's a big variance in the performance of a player from game to game. This rank change doesn't affect the people you get in your games at all, ranks are just like big boxes around a certain mmr range and they just moved the boxes around a bit


There is a difference between having a bad game and just being bad players, its easy to tell the difference, when you are able to observe decision making and mechanics from someone who just shouldnt be at that level, its rather easy to tell.

It might be anecdotal but the last 10 or so go games I went from a huge mismatch of ranks and players in the first 5 to a very healthy consistency in the last 5 and I expect that to consistency to continue once the distribution normals out.+ Show Spoiler +
Ive only played about 10 games in 3 weeks so theres that but still


And even if it isnt, that doesnt matter, if you were a certain MMR and got deranked twice over then your MMR didnt deserve to be at that rank and shouldnt be matched up with said players thats the bottom line.

Its all about perception. GN or DMG or whatever is just as meaningful as its taken to be.

There was a large influx of players and the mmr percentages got skewed here and there. So they adjusted them. I dont see the big deal.
insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
December 23 2015 20:54 GMT
#379
I've gone games bottom fragg8ng hardly being able to get a kill in one game to top fragging the next 3 in a row. There is just a lot of variance in mmr not to mention the abundance of surfs and people trying to purposefully downrank. I'm glad the derank doesn't mean I've gotten a lot worse. I just bumped from dmg back to me on my main.
decemberscalm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 00:58:55
December 24 2015 00:55 GMT
#380
Valves change to ranks literally has no bearing on the matches you get.

The underlying MMR system is the same as its always been. Only the labels(ranks) for various MMR levels have changed.

if you've ever seen the mechanics of common MMR systems, they can be prone to inflation. Better players play more and get more points. Lesser players play less. Hence over a long period of time C+ goes from being awful to actually pretty damn good.

Valve stated they are working on a dynamic rank adjustment system to the labels will automatically adjust based on the active population, rather than just setting ranks at arbitary MMR point increments.
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