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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
June 07 2015 17:59 GMT
#1141
I think way more likely you just don't know what stutter-free RTS looks like - I'l give it a shot on current up to date patch though.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10791 Posts
June 07 2015 18:06 GMT
#1142
On June 08 2015 02:59 Cyro wrote:
I think way more likely you just don't know what stutter-free RTS looks like - I'l give it a shot on current up to date patch though.


Broodwar with #LL BABY
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 18:08:47
June 07 2015 18:07 GMT
#1143
The game on release had very poorly designed code. That made lag for everyone, but it's been a while since I've seen a lot of people complaining about ingame lag. Overall the problem is just that it was released way too early.

On June 08 2015 01:55 Iksf wrote:
For what its worth I and most the people I knew quit because it was slow, boring and defensive more than anything. Personally I really dislike all these newer RTS games that feel "cumbersome", I prefer crisp reactions and unrealistic turn cycles etc, like StarCraft and the older CnC games (more for ground, air is arguably better with this).

Yes, it's more about taking and holding resources than about winning battles. But if you want starcraft, just play starcraft. Very understandable to want to do that, but if starcraft is what I want, there's no need for a new RTS.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 18:29:57
June 07 2015 18:28 GMT
#1144
On June 08 2015 02:59 Cyro wrote:
I think way more likely you just don't know what stutter-free RTS looks like - I'l give it a shot on current up to date patch though.

Lmao.

Whatever floats your boat bro.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 08:45:32
June 07 2015 18:45 GMT
#1145
But if you want starcraft, just play starcraft. Very understandable to want to do that, but if starcraft is what I want, there's no need for a new RTS.


What he said was that he wanted to play an RTS with specific features that also happens to be parts of Starcraft. But Starcraft is a lot of other things as well, which he may not like.
For instance there isn't a single RTS game that can be considered easy-to-learn while still having responsive and fast moving units.
There is also no RTS game that focusses on creating great micro interactions while cutting all of the unncesary stuff away, which is ironic since this is what the majority of the gamers actually want.
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
June 07 2015 19:07 GMT
#1146
GG does a pretty good job of simplifying the UI and Macro.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 19:34:16
June 07 2015 19:22 GMT
#1147
Yea, the system is pretty nice. I'd like a couple more hotkeys though, and it has a pretty harsh learning curve. When i have not played many games recently, i find myself mixing up or forgetting the right hotkeys for stuff.

In sc2 you can click on a building/unit and you see all of the hotkeys written. In Grey Goo, i think you had to press the first part of a hotkey combination to see the future parts, so there was some awkward back and forth when trying to figure out what to press. If you're playing 50 games a week it seems like one of the better systems, overall.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
June 07 2015 20:19 GMT
#1148
Is the single player campaign any good / does it have one at all?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 07 2015 20:23 GMT
#1149
Yes, it has a pretty good single player. The C&C bunch were always better than Blizz at making a good campaign.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 08:16:50
June 08 2015 08:00 GMT
#1150
On June 08 2015 04:22 Cyro wrote:
Yea, the system is pretty nice. I'd like a couple more hotkeys though, and it has a pretty harsh learning curve. When i have not played many games recently, i find myself mixing up or forgetting the right hotkeys for stuff.

In sc2 you can click on a building/unit and you see all of the hotkeys written. In Grey Goo, i think you had to press the first part of a hotkey combination to see the future parts, so there was some awkward back and forth when trying to figure out what to press. If you're playing 50 games a week it seems like one of the better systems, overall.


It's basically put in blocks q - w - e - r - t and then within those blocks it's again q - w - e - r - t etc.
Shouldn't be hard to remember. And if you press q you get to see all the icons, which displays all the hotkey combinations.

And if you don't want to remember stuff just click the icons I guess...
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10791 Posts
June 08 2015 09:26 GMT
#1151
I am going to stream some Grey Goo soon I just finished the patch, may not be able to find a game, but if anyone wants to see who is interested in the game, let me know!
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10791 Posts
June 08 2015 16:38 GMT
#1152
Literally couldn't find a game when I was on Grey Goo
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 16:58:33
June 08 2015 16:58 GMT
#1153
On June 08 2015 17:00 Technique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 04:22 Cyro wrote:
Yea, the system is pretty nice. I'd like a couple more hotkeys though, and it has a pretty harsh learning curve. When i have not played many games recently, i find myself mixing up or forgetting the right hotkeys for stuff.

In sc2 you can click on a building/unit and you see all of the hotkeys written. In Grey Goo, i think you had to press the first part of a hotkey combination to see the future parts, so there was some awkward back and forth when trying to figure out what to press. If you're playing 50 games a week it seems like one of the better systems, overall.


It's basically put in blocks q - w - e - r - t and then within those blocks it's again q - w - e - r - t etc.
Shouldn't be hard to remember. And if you press q you get to see all the icons, which displays all the hotkey combinations.

And if you don't want to remember stuff just click the icons I guess...


I never click anything. For sc2 for example, if you have the unit/building selected that you want, you can see the hotkey for every single command that you can give for it.

For a factory in grey goo, you might have to hit qq and then see what q, w, e etc does. You won't be able to see the command on the third lair unless you already go 2 lairs down by pressing the hotkeys, so you have to bounce up/down lairs a lot unless you remember the commands like qqe for everything that you want to do.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
June 08 2015 18:00 GMT
#1154
You see all the icons once you press Q and the basic hotkey logic is always the same... so how exactly do you have to click a second letter to see the third?

Either way... what a non-issue.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10791 Posts
June 08 2015 18:17 GMT
#1155
The issue is there is no player base lol
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 18:59:59
June 08 2015 18:50 GMT
#1156
On June 09 2015 03:00 Technique wrote:
You see all the icons once you press Q and the basic hotkey logic is always the same... so how exactly do you have to click a second letter to see the third?

Either way... what a non-issue.


It's not about it being an problem with the game, we're discussing differences. I don't know why you seem to take offense to literally everything.

IIRC you do have to go three hotkeys deep for commands, so if you don't know where a command is (because you have not played much) you might have to check around by hitting escape to jump back after pressing the wrong hotkey. With sc2 style, you don't have to jump in and out of hotkey selections, just look over at the command card and it'll have a letter like "b" on the ability. That's why i'd say it's less easy to use without muscle memory but it's very convenient once you can hit all of the hotkeys without having to check any of them
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 08 2015 20:17 GMT
#1157
Most of the best players don't use the QWERT system anymore. They just hotkey the buildings and make units the same as you do in SC2. Auto rebuild makes it a lot easier to macro though, to the point that queuing units is almost a non-issue.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
June 08 2015 20:58 GMT
#1158
You need to use that system for building buildings, attachments etc. When i played, i hotkeyed building types and manually built every unit but i never learned to build attachments without stumbling over hotkeys for way too long
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 10 2015 03:16 GMT
#1159
For people who bought the game: https://www.greybox.com/greygoo/en/forum/topic/2493/?page=1
New campaign missions.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10791 Posts
June 10 2015 04:35 GMT
#1160
On June 10 2015 12:16 LegalLord wrote:
For people who bought the game: https://www.greybox.com/greygoo/en/forum/topic/2493/?page=1
New campaign missions.

Need new people to play 1v1 with ~_~
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