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Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
November 05 2015 20:03 GMT
#1401
Well, there goes my hype for it.

For as much fun as Overwatch seems to be, I'm not dropping 60 dollars on it.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
November 05 2015 20:05 GMT
#1402
$60

RIP Overwatch.
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ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
November 05 2015 20:09 GMT
#1403
On November 06 2015 04:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 03:47 Hider wrote:
So it seems it's going to be upfront-fee (not F2P) which is what I expected. The $60 is probably a "pack". Maybe it include the beta. - The normal game will probably be lower than that. maybe $30 for the normal game.

As a little "funny" side-story I remember watching TB and Jesse Cox and some girl on a show a couple of days ago. Both TB and Jesse argued that it had to be "it has to be F2P only way; people don't wanna pay for a multiplayer only FPS game these days".

I argue TB went on an autopilot during that show instead of attempting to understand under which circumstanes F2P makes sense. Because during the same show they spend an hour praising everything about Overwatch. It was clear they absolutely loved the game and they are not alone. I can't remember the last time a game has received so much universal praise.

It people are gonna pay $20+ for the game just to play it, then let them pay it. At least in the west, I am quite convinced that it is more profitable to make the game buy-to-play.


If the normal game is $60 and it is only the mode we see now (i don't expect it, but it's all we got now for sure) i don't think people will be all over it tbh.
I actually think f2p would make a lot of sense, TF2 is free to play, CSGO is basically free to play (if you buy it during steam sales) and all the other big pvp games are f2p as well.
In the end it is all about the estimated playerbase and the microtransactions. Charging $60 for it makes it seem like they simply didn't figure out a good way to get money otherwise, which is concerning imo.


edit: One big reason also could be that it will get released on consoles as well, kinda hard to justify a f2p system for pc that way (which would kinda imply that consoles are their main target, which would be :/ )


I bet there will be cash shop/microtransactions on top of the $60.

inb4 this flops harder than Evolve did.
iXphobos
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1465 Posts
November 05 2015 20:13 GMT
#1404
GameStop dropping a 60$ price tag means shit. Nothing more.
It's like they wrote an article about my mom saying "gamer mom confirmes Overwatch pricing".
Why can't everone just wait a couple of hours for the BlzzCon reveal before going nuts. *sigh*
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
November 05 2015 20:13 GMT
#1405
current speculation is that the $60 is a special collector's edition
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 05 2015 20:14 GMT
#1406
On November 06 2015 05:09 ref4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 04:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 06 2015 03:47 Hider wrote:
So it seems it's going to be upfront-fee (not F2P) which is what I expected. The $60 is probably a "pack". Maybe it include the beta. - The normal game will probably be lower than that. maybe $30 for the normal game.

As a little "funny" side-story I remember watching TB and Jesse Cox and some girl on a show a couple of days ago. Both TB and Jesse argued that it had to be "it has to be F2P only way; people don't wanna pay for a multiplayer only FPS game these days".

I argue TB went on an autopilot during that show instead of attempting to understand under which circumstanes F2P makes sense. Because during the same show they spend an hour praising everything about Overwatch. It was clear they absolutely loved the game and they are not alone. I can't remember the last time a game has received so much universal praise.

It people are gonna pay $20+ for the game just to play it, then let them pay it. At least in the west, I am quite convinced that it is more profitable to make the game buy-to-play.


If the normal game is $60 and it is only the mode we see now (i don't expect it, but it's all we got now for sure) i don't think people will be all over it tbh.
I actually think f2p would make a lot of sense, TF2 is free to play, CSGO is basically free to play (if you buy it during steam sales) and all the other big pvp games are f2p as well.
In the end it is all about the estimated playerbase and the microtransactions. Charging $60 for it makes it seem like they simply didn't figure out a good way to get money otherwise, which is concerning imo.


edit: One big reason also could be that it will get released on consoles as well, kinda hard to justify a f2p system for pc that way (which would kinda imply that consoles are their main target, which would be :/ )


I bet there will be cash shop/microtransactions on top of the $60.

inb4 this flops harder than Evolve did.


Well yeah i also think that there will be some sort of skin system in place. But the implementation of this system is very important. I think Valve nailed it with CSGO (free skins, cases and most importantly => tradable!)
If you just can buy skins on top of the normal price... I don't know if people really will buy a lot of stuff.
I surely wouldn't invest any money in csgo if i had bought it for $60 for example
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 05 2015 20:14 GMT
#1407
On November 06 2015 05:09 ref4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 04:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 06 2015 03:47 Hider wrote:
So it seems it's going to be upfront-fee (not F2P) which is what I expected. The $60 is probably a "pack". Maybe it include the beta. - The normal game will probably be lower than that. maybe $30 for the normal game.

As a little "funny" side-story I remember watching TB and Jesse Cox and some girl on a show a couple of days ago. Both TB and Jesse argued that it had to be "it has to be F2P only way; people don't wanna pay for a multiplayer only FPS game these days".

I argue TB went on an autopilot during that show instead of attempting to understand under which circumstanes F2P makes sense. Because during the same show they spend an hour praising everything about Overwatch. It was clear they absolutely loved the game and they are not alone. I can't remember the last time a game has received so much universal praise.

It people are gonna pay $20+ for the game just to play it, then let them pay it. At least in the west, I am quite convinced that it is more profitable to make the game buy-to-play.


If the normal game is $60 and it is only the mode we see now (i don't expect it, but it's all we got now for sure) i don't think people will be all over it tbh.
I actually think f2p would make a lot of sense, TF2 is free to play, CSGO is basically free to play (if you buy it during steam sales) and all the other big pvp games are f2p as well.
In the end it is all about the estimated playerbase and the microtransactions. Charging $60 for it makes it seem like they simply didn't figure out a good way to get money otherwise, which is concerning imo.


edit: One big reason also could be that it will get released on consoles as well, kinda hard to justify a f2p system for pc that way (which would kinda imply that consoles are their main target, which would be :/ )


I bet there will be cash shop/microtransactions on top of the $60.

inb4 this flops harder than Evolve did.


I would be sad and also impressed. I was very hyped for Evolve until their business model came out.

I think (hope) Blizzard is a smarter company than that.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 05 2015 20:14 GMT
#1408
Folks, $60 is also the place holder prices when retailers don't know what the game will cost. I can't see the article at work, but is the release date on the first of the month too?
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 05 2015 20:15 GMT
#1409
On November 06 2015 05:13 iXphobos wrote:
GameStop dropping a 60$ price tag means shit. Nothing more.
It's like they wrote an article about my mom saying "gamer mom confirmes Overwatch pricing".
Why can't everone just wait a couple of hours for the BlzzCon reveal before going nuts. *sigh*

Yeah i actually agree with you on this, Blizzcon starts tomorrow we really should just wait for Blizzard to confirm/deny it.
But arguing about the unknown is so much fun :D
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12119 Posts
November 05 2015 20:20 GMT
#1410
On November 06 2015 05:14 Plansix wrote:
Folks, $60 is also the place holder prices when retailers don't know what the game will cost. I can't see the article at work, but is the release date on the first of the month too?

We spoke with a local store that indicates it received an email from the corporation indicating that the game will be full-priced on Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and PC. All versions are listed at $59.99, with a placeholder date of December 31, 2016.


Both things seem place holders.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 05 2015 20:22 GMT
#1411
On November 06 2015 05:20 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 05:14 Plansix wrote:
Folks, $60 is also the place holder prices when retailers don't know what the game will cost. I can't see the article at work, but is the release date on the first of the month too?

Show nested quote +
We spoke with a local store that indicates it received an email from the corporation indicating that the game will be full-priced on Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and PC. All versions are listed at $59.99, with a placeholder date of December 31, 2016.


Both things seem place holders.

That is code: Game will exist on Xbox one and PS4 in 2016 maybe. Will cost currency.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 05 2015 20:23 GMT
#1412
But guys let's think about it, console versions are pretty much confirmed i think, the whole game already seems very console friendly to me.
If there are console versions, f2p simply won't work, no?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-05 20:24:40
November 05 2015 20:24 GMT
#1413
On November 06 2015 05:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
But guys let's think about it, console versions are pretty much confirmed i think, the whole game already seems very console friendly to me.
If there are console versions, f2p simply won't work, no?


1 - Most people already agree that F2P model would not work for this game in any capacity.

2 - F2P in general could theoretically work on consoles - they have marketplaces
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 05 2015 20:25 GMT
#1414
On November 06 2015 05:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
But guys let's think about it, console versions are pretty much confirmed i think, the whole game already seems very console friendly to me.
If there are console versions, f2p simply won't work, no?

There are several free to play games on consoles, including Warframe. But I bet its a boxed release that will have DLC later on if people want it. Wouldn't doubt if Blizzard put it out for like $30-$40 since they are all about trying smaller games and different price points.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iXphobos
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1465 Posts
November 05 2015 20:28 GMT
#1415
I wouldn't play it on consoles even if i'd get paid for it.
I can't even imagine how awful Tracer must feel with a gamepad.
XD
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-05 20:34:57
November 05 2015 20:31 GMT
#1416
On November 06 2015 05:25 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 05:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
But guys let's think about it, console versions are pretty much confirmed i think, the whole game already seems very console friendly to me.
If there are console versions, f2p simply won't work, no?

There are several free to play games on consoles, including Warframe. But I bet its a boxed release that will have DLC later on if people want it. Wouldn't doubt if Blizzard put it out for like $30-$40 since they are all about trying smaller games and different price points.


Hm i just thought you cannot really do microtransactions in a good way on consoles, i guess that isn't the case though^^


On November 06 2015 05:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 05:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
But guys let's think about it, console versions are pretty much confirmed i think, the whole game already seems very console friendly to me.
If there are console versions, f2p simply won't work, no?


1 - Most people already agree that F2P model would not work for this game in any capacity.

2 - F2P in general could theoretically work on consoles - they have marketplaces


Why wouldn't free to play work? You still could have all heroes to be available, you just have to include microtransactions in an intelligent way (dota2 for example, csgo)

On November 06 2015 05:28 iXphobos wrote:
I wouldn't play it on consoles even if i'd get paid for it.
I can't even imagine how awful Tracer must feel with a gamepad.
XD

I mean i wouldn't wanna play a shooter on consoles. PERIOD.
But if you are ok with the general console aiming, i don't see why Tracer wouldn't work.
The whole Overwatch experience seems very console orientated to me already tbh.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-05 20:34:45
November 05 2015 20:34 GMT
#1417
sry for double post, that edit button -.-
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 05 2015 20:34 GMT
#1418
On November 06 2015 05:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 05:25 Plansix wrote:
On November 06 2015 05:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
But guys let's think about it, console versions are pretty much confirmed i think, the whole game already seems very console friendly to me.
If there are console versions, f2p simply won't work, no?

There are several free to play games on consoles, including Warframe. But I bet its a boxed release that will have DLC later on if people want it. Wouldn't doubt if Blizzard put it out for like $30-$40 since they are all about trying smaller games and different price points.


Hm i just thought you cannot really do microtransactions in a good way on consoles, i guess that isn't the case though^^


Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 05:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 06 2015 05:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
But guys let's think about it, console versions are pretty much confirmed i think, the whole game already seems very console friendly to me.
If there are console versions, f2p simply won't work, no?


1 - Most people already agree that F2P model would not work for this game in any capacity.

2 - F2P in general could theoretically work on consoles - they have marketplaces


Why wouldn't free to play work? You still could have all heroes to be available, you just have to include microtransactions in an intelligent way (dota2 for example, csgo)

Valve isn't Blizzard. Blizzard doesnt' have a store front selling other peoples games that they can use to fund weird development projects like Dota 2 and CSGO. The reason those games exist is that Valve can wait years for them to become profitable. Blizzard, despite all its money from WoW, doesn't have that option. They are owned by share holders.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
November 05 2015 20:35 GMT
#1419
On November 06 2015 05:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 05:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
But guys let's think about it, console versions are pretty much confirmed i think, the whole game already seems very console friendly to me.
If there are console versions, f2p simply won't work, no?


1 - Most people already agree that F2P model would not work for this game in any capacity.

2 - F2P in general could theoretically work on consoles - they have marketplaces


only reason why I think F2P doesn't work for Overwatch is because it gives free reign for people to create multiple accounts and run cheats

otherwise, I can easily see Overwatch being sustained by cosmetic purchases assuming Blizzard makes a good enough game that sustains a sizable multiplayer population
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 05 2015 20:38 GMT
#1420
On November 06 2015 05:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 05:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 06 2015 05:25 Plansix wrote:
On November 06 2015 05:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
But guys let's think about it, console versions are pretty much confirmed i think, the whole game already seems very console friendly to me.
If there are console versions, f2p simply won't work, no?

There are several free to play games on consoles, including Warframe. But I bet its a boxed release that will have DLC later on if people want it. Wouldn't doubt if Blizzard put it out for like $30-$40 since they are all about trying smaller games and different price points.


Hm i just thought you cannot really do microtransactions in a good way on consoles, i guess that isn't the case though^^


On November 06 2015 05:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 06 2015 05:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
But guys let's think about it, console versions are pretty much confirmed i think, the whole game already seems very console friendly to me.
If there are console versions, f2p simply won't work, no?


1 - Most people already agree that F2P model would not work for this game in any capacity.

2 - F2P in general could theoretically work on consoles - they have marketplaces


Why wouldn't free to play work? You still could have all heroes to be available, you just have to include microtransactions in an intelligent way (dota2 for example, csgo)

Valve isn't Blizzard. Blizzard doesnt' have a store front selling other peoples games that they can use to fund weird development projects like Dota 2 and CSGO. The reason those games exist is that Valve can wait years for them to become profitable. Blizzard, despite all its money from WoW, doesn't have that option. They are owned by share holders.

Well they already have some free to play games in their portfolio.
I could see that it's not possible for this game because it probably is what is left from project titan, which means that a lot of money already went into it. Might be safer to publish it traditionally.
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