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No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
October 27 2015 16:51 GMT
#781
f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5 =(
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
Ritha
Profile Joined October 2009
United States29 Posts
October 27 2015 17:10 GMT
#782
I like how many people in this thread don't seem to understand the entire premise of Blizzard. They don't make revolutionary games. They don't make totally new things. Their game play design concept is literally: Rip off the best parts of other games, put them all together so you end up with a better overall game than anything else out right now.

Hence, Overwatch looks to play like a Team Fortress game with modern graphics and many more classes, and lots of those classes relate to other games. Soldier 76, the generic FPS guy. Pharah, Tribes style projectiles+air combat. Junkrat, the Demoman. Like any of the melee combat FPS games? There are melee people too!


And, of course, you toss Blizzard making cool characters and a spiffy art style on top of that gameplay. Want to play a cowboy? A ninja? A turret? Of course it is a hyped game.


Also: f5
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
October 27 2015 17:11 GMT
#783
Beta started, streamers are in. No invite for me though
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 27 2015 17:18 GMT
#784
Invites will be rolling for the next 12 hours. Don't give up hope!
It's your boy Guzma!
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 27 2015 17:18 GMT
#785
On October 28 2015 02:11 Reaps wrote:
Beta started, streamers are in. No invite for me though



"MPORTANT: Account flagging for the Closed Beta is currently in progress and will be completed be in waves. Please note that this process may take up to 12 hours."

Still a chance, just saying. I'd wait until tomorrow before being sure whether or not.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-27 17:28:17
October 27 2015 17:27 GMT
#786
On October 27 2015 17:37 lestye wrote:
There are a bunch of arena FPSes coming out. It's not really a popular sub-genre, so I don't think it'll take off.

I think people want social team-based games. It's way less stressful and it's more fun to cooperate strategically than 1v1 refined skill.

And a game's scene can't grow if it doesnt reach some sort of popularity. I'm looking at Quake Live's 1k 24-hour peak and 300 current peak.

I wouldn't want to touch that market, either. That's doomed to failure.

Its a team game, not 1v1, its a 5v5 team game.

when are EU invites, are there even EU invites

help.
WriterXiao8~~
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4209 Posts
October 27 2015 17:29 GMT
#787
On October 28 2015 02:27 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 17:37 lestye wrote:
There are a bunch of arena FPSes coming out. It's not really a popular sub-genre, so I don't think it'll take off.

I think people want social team-based games. It's way less stressful and it's more fun to cooperate strategically than 1v1 refined skill.

And a game's scene can't grow if it doesnt reach some sort of popularity. I'm looking at Quake Live's 1k 24-hour peak and 300 current peak.

I wouldn't want to touch that market, either. That's doomed to failure.

Its a team game, not 1v1, its a 5v5 team game.

when are EU invites, are there even EU invites

help.


I'm comparing it to some guy's idea of why its not a Quake arena game.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 27 2015 17:33 GMT
#788
I see, my bad

gief invite tho.
WriterXiao8~~
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22446 Posts
October 27 2015 17:49 GMT
#789
US invites are being send, donno if they are done.
EU Beta is not yet live. EU invites have not yet been send. They are planned to happened some time this evening (CET) tho.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
126Q;A1
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden517 Posts
October 27 2015 17:56 GMT
#790
On October 27 2015 10:25 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 05:21 126Q;A1 wrote:
I'm surprised at the amount of continued hype surrounding this game. What makes people interested in this game over TF2? - to my eyes it looks lackluster in comparison. It reminds me of Heroes of the Storm compared to Dota 2.


Because these days TF2 is total nonsense. Ever since they started bulk adding game-changing weapon drops the game has been a hot mess. To say nothing of the total lack of self-control Valve has had with adding cosmetics in TF2. Compare and contrast with the rather more restrained way they've added DOTA2 cosmetics, being careful to typically try to stick with hero-specific styles. And they're pure cosmetics, not game-influencing items.


Hmm, I don't agree that the 'unlock' weapons have been bad for the game, I think they have generally been well thought-through and interesting variations to their stock counterparts while serving specific and useful purposes (some of them, like the PHLOG though, can be very overpowered vs low level opponents). Cosmetics have gone overboard though, but this will happen in Dota 2 eventually as well as reasonable ideas run out and the need becomes greater for more and more attention-grabbing items. We're already seeing signs of it with some of the Arcanas and Immortals (e.g Gyro's 50's spaceship). It's just inevitable with this free-to-play model.

---

What annoys me with Overwatch is that people are, yet again, talking about it being not only an e-sports game but the "next big thing" for the FPS genre before it's even released (how many times haven't we heard this nonsense before). Browsing through a few gameplay videos so far it looks a lot like Call of Duty. I wonder what the movement and such is like - does it use a proprietary game engine?
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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4209 Posts
October 27 2015 17:58 GMT
#791
On October 28 2015 02:56 126Q;A1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 10:25 -Celestial- wrote:
On October 27 2015 05:21 126Q;A1 wrote:
I'm surprised at the amount of continued hype surrounding this game. What makes people interested in this game over TF2? - to my eyes it looks lackluster in comparison. It reminds me of Heroes of the Storm compared to Dota 2.


Because these days TF2 is total nonsense. Ever since they started bulk adding game-changing weapon drops the game has been a hot mess. To say nothing of the total lack of self-control Valve has had with adding cosmetics in TF2. Compare and contrast with the rather more restrained way they've added DOTA2 cosmetics, being careful to typically try to stick with hero-specific styles. And they're pure cosmetics, not game-influencing items.


Hmm, I don't agree that the 'unlock' weapons have been bad for the game, I think they have generally been well thought-through and interesting variations to their stock counterparts while serving specific and useful purposes (some of them, like the PHLOG though, can be very overpowered vs low level opponents). Cosmetics have gone overboard though, but this will happen in Dota 2 eventually as well as reasonable ideas run out and the need becomes greater for more and more attention-grabbing items. We're already seeing signs of it with some of the Arcanas and Immortals (e.g Gyro's 50's spaceship). It's just inevitable with this free-to-play model.

---

What annoys me with Overwatch is that people are, yet again, talking about it being not only an e-sports game but the "next big thing" for the FPS genre before it's even released (how many times haven't we heard this nonsense before). Browsing through a few gameplay videos so far it looks a lot like Call of Duty. I wonder what the movement and such is like - does it use a proprietary game engine?


It most likely is the next big thing in the FPS genre.

What does the FPS genre on PC have to look forward to? Not much. It has Blizzard's name behind it, and their reputation is behind the game, it has some interesting properties to it, that's where all the hype is.

It' uses a proprietary game engine that I don't think has a name.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
October 27 2015 17:59 GMT
#792
even though i'm not sure whether or not god exists... i got down on my knees last night and prayed to God that the good lord would see fit to grant me the priceless gift of entry into the Overwatch beta test today.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 27 2015 18:08 GMT
#793
The problem with a lot of the discussion around games like Overwatch is that the mertic some people use is "bigger than call of duty" which isn't going to fucking happen. But Blizzard's metric is: Is the game profitable enough and do people seem to like it. So the discussion isn't about the game itself, but how it will meet some ethereal goal post like "the successor to Quake" or "the next Esport FPS".
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4209 Posts
October 27 2015 18:11 GMT
#794
Those ethereal goal posts aren't very high or overly ambitious. That's how low the standards are in today's environment.


"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 27 2015 18:13 GMT
#795
On October 28 2015 03:11 lestye wrote:
Those ethereal goal posts aren't very high or overly ambitious. That's how low the standards are in today's environment.



Since they are totally subjective and have no defined consensus on what everyone would accept, they are impossible to meet. Thus is the problem with any discussion on the topic, no one knows what the fuck anyone is talking about. Just like when people throw around phrases like "Skill based FPS" like that is a real thing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4209 Posts
October 27 2015 18:22 GMT
#796
On October 28 2015 03:13 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 03:11 lestye wrote:
Those ethereal goal posts aren't very high or overly ambitious. That's how low the standards are in today's environment.



Since they are totally subjective and have no defined consensus on what everyone would accept, they are impossible to meet. Thus is the problem with any discussion on the topic, no one knows what the fuck anyone is talking about. Just like when people throw around phrases like "Skill based FPS" like that is a real thing.


How is ""the next Esport FPS" subjective? That would not take much at all.

Quake died out ages ago. Anything can be a successor.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
October 27 2015 18:27 GMT
#797
So CS GO isn't an Esport FPS? There's a difference between Quake successor and an Esport FPS you know.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
October 27 2015 18:28 GMT
#798
On October 28 2015 03:22 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 03:13 Plansix wrote:
On October 28 2015 03:11 lestye wrote:
Those ethereal goal posts aren't very high or overly ambitious. That's how low the standards are in today's environment.



Since they are totally subjective and have no defined consensus on what everyone would accept, they are impossible to meet. Thus is the problem with any discussion on the topic, no one knows what the fuck anyone is talking about. Just like when people throw around phrases like "Skill based FPS" like that is a real thing.


How is ""the next Esport FPS" subjective? That would not take much at all.

Quake died out ages ago. Anything can be a successor.


Maybe this skill based FPS will become a thing, when Valve makes one. TF 3 or Half Life 3 Death Match (HL 3 confirmed). Till then, I dont see that getting thing.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 27 2015 18:30 GMT
#799
On October 28 2015 03:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
So CS GO isn't an Esport FPS? There's a difference between Quake successor and an Esport FPS you know.

Sure, if you believe it to be true. So are CoD and Halo. Though some folks will argue tooth and nail against those last two. Which only furthers my point that its a pretty useless term that people throw around, but don't really agree on. Like "Skill based FPS".
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4209 Posts
October 27 2015 18:36 GMT
#800
On October 28 2015 03:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
So CS GO isn't an Esport FPS? There's a difference between Quake successor and an Esport FPS you know.


How would you define a Quake successor, a successor thats that exact game style or the successor as the premier FPS title?

The latter has been done over and over.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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