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![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/2Dnku15.png) July 11-13 2014![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/forum/wiki_icon.png) EVO 2014
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/08h88.png) Event is complete!Casters: prog, D1, Scar, Toph, The Crimson Blur, Lovage
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H0ePE.png) Day 1
15:00 GMT (+00:00)
Pools - Check stream schedule]
Day 2
17:00 GMT (+00:00)
Quarterfinals and semifinals - Stream 2
Day 3
18:00 GMT (+00:00)
Top 8 - Stream 1
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L6Pww.png) Singles+ Show Spoiler +Day 1 Pools Results1. c9.MaNg0 2. Crs.Hungrybox 3. P4K EMP | Armada 4. EG | PPMD 5. P4K EMP | Mew2King 5. Mortality | Axe 7. GC | Silent Wolf 7. Fly Amanita ===== 9. MIOM | PewPewU 9. Crs.Chillin 9. VS|Plup 9. Leffen 13. Westballz 13. S2J 13. VGBC | Hax 13. Fiction 17. VS|Colbol 17. Mortality | ChuDat 17. VGBC | aMSa 17. Eddy Mexico 17. Nintendude 17. Lucky 17. CT | ZeRo 17. MMG | Shroomed 25. Crs.MacD 25. 62-bit | Bladewise 25. Swedish Delight 25. Javi 25. Hyprid 25. The Moon 25. Darkrain 25. MIOM | SFAT Other notable finishes: 33. Ice 33. Liquid`Ken49. HugS 49. Zhu 49. SilentSpectre 65. Liquid`KoreanDJ
1. Plup + Hungrybox
2. Mew2King + Hax
3. Leffen + Ice
4. PewPewU + SFAT
5. MacD + Fiction
5. KoreanDJ + ZeRo
7. MaNg0 + Lucky
7. Shroomed + S2J
Format stolen from ArvickHero.
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
Get hype for Ken! He may not be a favourite to win the tournament, but he'll always be my favourite :>
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Really hoping a falcon makes top 8 this year. I expect good things from S2J and Lord, hopefully they can do it.
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United States10328 Posts
KDJ has Tang in pools (who he can beat) and PP in r1 of Quarterfinals (who he can't beat).
In Losers he has: winner of [Crush vs loser of Lambchopz / Trail], then winner of [loser of Darrell/Ken vs winner of Strongbad / (which of dudutsai/bacon? makes it behind SS)]. This is all well and good, until he faces the loser of L, which is between the winners of SFAT/(Zero/DarkAtma) and (Bizzarro Flame/Ciz/Laudandus)/Fiction. So basically he plays the loser of SFAT/Fiction, which looks pretty grim. If he survives that, he'll get one of Darkrain (if he loses to Silent Wolf r1 QFs) / Cactuar (who'll probably lose to Shroomed) / the winner of Duck vs Kels, which is very doable. Then he gets loser of PP/Shroomed, RIP.
So probably 33rd, but there's a chance at 17th.
Ken has an easier bracket: no threats in pools, Darrell r1 QFs. If he loses he has to play KDJ, who'll probably beat him; then he has the gauntlet described above. Otherwise, he'll lose to PP, then play the winner of (winner of Zero/DarkAtma pool vs winner of Bizzarro/Ciz/Laudandus) pool. This is doable, but then he'll play Silent Wolf, RIP. 25th is my optimistic prediction, 49th my pessimistic one.
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United States7481 Posts
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Uh oh, Mango with the wrist brace.
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United States7481 Posts
GIMR vs mango first match, time ofr the upset of the century
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Hyrule19101 Posts
Woooooooo
technical difficulties delaying a bit
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i thought they didnt use wiis because of frame dropping issues?
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On July 12 2014 00:21 Garrl wrote:
i thought they didnt use wiis because of frame dropping issues?
I heard they don't have enough GC's so they have no choice.
Also, does the stream look kind of bad and choppy to anyone else?
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United States10328 Posts
Mango (Fox) 2 stock on Dreamland, 1 stock on Yoshi's vs GIMR (Falco)
BRDY (Peach) 2-0 Skeeter (Peach)
now we have Falcomist (Marth) vs Metroid (Marth)
edit: Metroid 2-1 Falcomist
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EVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
my body is ready, lets go
too bad captain falcon still wont win 
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United States10328 Posts
Chillin (Fox) 2-0 Timfox (Fox) [WR1]
DJ Nintendo (Bowser) 2-0 Jeezus (Falcon) [WR2]
Zhu about to 4stock a poor Dr. Mario (Enjoiful) right now [WR2]
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United States10328 Posts
Zhu (Falco) 2-0 Enjoiful (Doc)
TheCrimsonBuster (Marth) gonna play ILostInPools (Falcon) lolol
ILostInPools looks way worse than Jeezus :/
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51486 Posts
ILOSTINPOOLS looooooool what an id
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Blur just 4 stocked ILOSTINPOOLS :O
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United States10328 Posts
ILostInPools the first actually bad player to play on stream :/ poor dude (I guess the Doc wasn't that good either)
TheCrimsonBlur (Marth) 2-0 ILostInPools (Falcon, Marth) [WR2]
Lovage (Fox) vs ThatBlueGuy (Falco) WR2 now
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On July 12 2014 01:20 ]343[ wrote:
ILostInPools the first actually bad player to play on stream :/ poor dude (I guess the Doc wasn't that good either)
At least Ilostinpools was pretty self aware 
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Hyrule19101 Posts
lovage is styling all over lol
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United States10328 Posts
Lovage 4-stocks ThatBlueGuy on Dreamland; last kill was a pretty slick hit with firefox stall -> shine
lovage SDs on Battlefield, so only a 3-stock  they fail at handshake/fistbump decisions
we got HugS (Samus) <3 <3 <3 vs Studmuffin (Sheik) WR2 now
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United States10328 Posts
HugS 2-stocks Studmuffin (who beat Trihex in WR1!) on BF
one hard read charge shot per game, 2-0 for HugS
DJN's Bowser plushie still on the TV
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United States10328 Posts
Whoa, jumping to A87's WFs (WR4): DruggedFox (Fox) vs Zhu (Falco)! There might be an upset!
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United States10328 Posts
Damn, Zhu takes two really close last-stock high-percent games vs DruggedFox (2-0)
Chillin (Fox) vs Aniolas (Sheik), WF of A86 now
Chillin 2-0 Aniolas; Aniolas not ready for that NTSC Fox :/
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United States10328 Posts
A83 WFs: Eggz (Fox) 2-0 Wak (Jigglypuff) (Excel_Zero no show?)
(not on stream, from Facebook): A82 WFs: MattDotZeb (Falco?) 2-0 Eric Lee aka Violence (Samus)
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REALLY hoping for S2J's first match to be streamed, he's playing against a buddy of mine
So it's confirmed there's basically no good source of live update brackets right?
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so many falcons on stream awww yea
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Falcons back to back to back yay
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How many entries has SSBM this year and how many had it last year?
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Ugh, terrible Nintendo commercials during SSBM stream D:
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United States10328 Posts
ok, MattDotZeb says EVO will attempt to update the brackets at some point
but not live, most likely
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On July 12 2014 02:41 Lucumo wrote:
How many entries has SSBM this year and how many had it last year?
last year ~700
this year ~970
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United States13143 Posts
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Hyrule19101 Posts
MDZ is getting us some pictures of the brackets. Me, Kyuukyuu, and 343 are updating from those
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On July 12 2014 03:07 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 02:41 Lucumo wrote:
How many entries has SSBM this year and how many had it last year? last year ~700 this year ~970
Thank you. Nice that the numbers increased a good amount. Hopefully, we see some super casuals on stream again. Last time it was that mother and a kid, if I remember correctly.
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NMW WITH THE PEOPLES' ELBOW
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United States10328 Posts
NMWSHRIEK FSMASHES CYRAIN
NICE JOB MAN
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That finish was just awesome.
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On July 12 2014 03:57 Darkhorse wrote:
Did I just miss M2K?
yes
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On July 12 2014 03:57 Darkhorse wrote:
Did I just miss M2K?
He crushed some unknown in a peach ditto
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Was Sheik vs Ice Climbers and then Peach ditto. Both games ended with 2 stocks for M2K.
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United States23455 Posts
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On July 12 2014 03:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:He crushed some unknown in a peach ditto
I wouldn't say hes unknown, Kei's from washington and apparently took a tourney set of Ken back when Ken was a god. He then moved to Japan and still plays there.
I learn so much from the commentary haha
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On July 12 2014 04:04 lycheejello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 03:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 12 2014 03:57 Darkhorse wrote:
Did I just miss M2K? He crushed some unknown in a peach ditto I wouldn't say hes unknown, Kei's from washington and apparently took a tourney set of Ken back when Ken was a god. He then moved to Japan and still plays there. I learn so much from the commentary haha
Reletively unknown when compared to M2K though.
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Is that the first JV5 of the tournament?
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Lol, what a sick second game.
He got hit though.
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On July 12 2014 04:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Is that the first JV5 of the tournament?
It wasn't a JV5. It was a freshman 5 though, he had 14%.
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On July 12 2014 04:46 deathgod6 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Is that the first JV5 of the tournament? It wasn't a JV5. It was a freshman 5 though, he had 14%.
Sorry, forgot the terminology.
edit: Jesus, Javi with the 8 stock. I didnt' even know that was a thing
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/x6FXw0k.png)
That Infiltration respect.
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United States7481 Posts
infiltration so good that he qualifies for smash with akuma
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On July 12 2014 05:06 Jumperer wrote:
is the big 5 ready for infiltration's akuma?
Sigh, is it really that funny? It's not even an official source.
In other news: An entertaining Ness match just finished.
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
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Hyrule19101 Posts
KDJ and Ken are both in E brackets I think
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Holy shit, what a great Yohsi vs Falcon series.
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God, Yoshi's the sickest character.
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yoshi survives sheik's dthrow fair at like 150%. broken
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first time i've seen a yoshi like that. looking forward to seeing kdj and ken play
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On July 12 2014 05:53 kuponut wrote:
first time i've seen a yoshi like that. looking forward to seeing kdj and ken play
new fan I'm guessing?
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Amsa is so boss. I love watching him play.
Haha shine for a KO at 10% to seal the game :p
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On July 12 2014 05:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:53 kuponut wrote:
first time i've seen a yoshi like that. looking forward to seeing kdj and ken play new fan I'm guessing?
yep. watched some of mlg anaheim and streams here and there
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Been gone for the past few hours; any matches/interesting shit happen? Gotta love my Ness/Yoshi/Falcon matches
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Canada8031 Posts
I didn't even know Okami had a Pikachu.
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United States10328 Posts
^yeah, he's originally from Arizona and is good friends with Axe
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Canada8031 Posts
Holy fuck that controller hahaha.
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United States23455 Posts
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Switched to stream 2 (/srkevo2)
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They really need to change the game that is displayed, still showing as Injustice. No wonder it's 20k lower than before.
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J666, a link, advanced out of his pool winners side. Noice.
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United States10328 Posts
tang vs vino
... which means kdj lost to vino
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I don't get why KDJ didn't go Sheik in the first place lol...
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holy shit, kdj gunna 4 stock vino. lol.
edit: nvm 3 stock. still a fucking stomp.
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On July 12 2014 09:49 ]343[ wrote:
tang vs vino
... which means kdj lost to vino
KDJ is fighting vino just now?
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holy shit, this is a fucking stomp. kdj just tooling vino this match.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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vino looked like he didn't want to play
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2x JV4. He really should have went Sheik the first time.
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Hyrule19101 Posts
It's Excel Zero, I've been told. Something about the bracket being impossible to correct or whatever
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Sick Ganondorf from Bizarro Flame. Was so hype KOing with UpB
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Is this Ganon stream or something lol? Three Ganondorf matches in a row. Not that I'm complaining.
And yeah that UpB from Bizarro Flame was sick. Best name in esports.
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On July 12 2014 10:53 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Is this Ganon stream or something lol? Three Ganondorf matches in a row. Not that I'm complaining.
And yeah that UpB from Bizarro Flame was sick. Best name in esports.
Nintendo is sponsoring more Gannondorf matches to advertise Hyrule Warriors.
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On July 12 2014 10:59 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 10:53 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Is this Ganon stream or something lol? Three Ganondorf matches in a row. Not that I'm complaining.
And yeah that UpB from Bizarro Flame was sick. Best name in esports. Nintendo is sponsoring more Gannondorf matches to advertise Hyrule Warriors.
First I was like "lol" but then looked up Hyrule Warriors and realized it actually is a thing. Now I'm kind of semi-lol cause I don't if they actually are sponsoring more Ganons or not.
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United States10328 Posts
On July 12 2014 10:13 RaiKageRyu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 09:49 ]343[ wrote:
tang vs vino
... which means kdj lost to vino KDJ is fighting vino just now?
he lost to vino in Winners' Bracket lol
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On July 12 2014 11:22 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 10:13 RaiKageRyu wrote:On July 12 2014 09:49 ]343[ wrote:
tang vs vino
... which means kdj lost to vino KDJ is fighting vino just now? he lost to vino in Winners' Bracket lol
And then he won against him in losers' bracket. That was hours ago.
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Sad that Darkrain wasn't on stream today.
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Darkrain's streak of not being on the EVO stream continues.
Day 1 stream is over now, check back tomorrow for R2 pools.
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United States10328 Posts
On July 12 2014 12:04 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 11:22 ]343[ wrote:On July 12 2014 10:13 RaiKageRyu wrote:On July 12 2014 09:49 ]343[ wrote:
tang vs vino
... which means kdj lost to vino KDJ is fighting vino just now? he lost to vino in Winners' Bracket lol And then he won against him in losers' bracket. That was hours ago.
Yes, I was just pointing out that it was possible for him to both lose and win vs Vino (which he seemed to be confused about)
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United States10328 Posts
zero just 2-0'd fiction
wat
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Canada8031 Posts
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I don't like Zero.
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Canada8031 Posts
Ahahaha that elbow.
Edit: Oh god it's Wobbles. Everything I ever wanted.
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Yes, we need more Falcons.
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Canada8031 Posts
Not a real big fan of ppu's fox...
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Canada8031 Posts
Ok, axe vs j666 was pretty good.
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United States10328 Posts
WINDMILL OF FURY BY PLUP ON LORD: 3 DASH ATTACKS IN A ROW
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What bothers me...no fullcreen.
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United States23745 Posts
Wobbling is the worst. Zanguzen would have won the set if he had just timed out the first game but he played it out like a bro.
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poor Zanguzen, two Ice Climbers players in a row
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On July 13 2014 04:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
Wobbling is the worst. Zanguzen would have won the set if he had just timed out the first game but he played it out like a bro.
Playing it like a bro after platform stalling for 7 minutes?
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United States23745 Posts
On July 13 2014 04:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 04:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
Wobbling is the worst. Zanguzen would have won the set if he had just timed out the first game but he played it out like a bro. Playing it like a bro after platform stalling for 7 minutes?
True I suppose. Still, what else are you gonna do against ICs? When he played on the ground he kept getting wobbled. I don't know his playstyle though so maybe he is campy all the time.
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Hey how long till quarters? I need to hed out for a minute and want to know when to be back
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United States23455 Posts
Hard to pick who to root for here. PPMD is a super nice guy but gogo Liquid!
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United States10328 Posts
On July 13 2014 04:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Hey how long till quarters? I need to hed out for a minute and want to know when to be back
today is all "quarters"; not sure what you're talking about
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EG vs Liquid HYPE
j/k Ken will get bopped
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Damn. Ken is improving like crazy but still not on PP's level
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Not a bad showing from Ken. Take away the SD and he was really in that last game. Sad that KDJ is out though
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Canada8031 Posts
2 stock each game. Not bad, considering it coulda been far worse.
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On July 13 2014 04:26 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 04:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Hey how long till quarters? I need to hed out for a minute and want to know when to be back today is all "quarters"; not sure what you're talking about
I did not understand the brackets then. They're talking about it on stream right now.
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
Is Ken out now? I hope not after that showing. The SD was unfortunate but that was awesome from him imo
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M2k 2-1 over PewPewU waiting for (most likely) Leffen or maybe S2J
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On July 13 2014 04:33 Qikz wrote:
Is Ken out now? I hope not after that showing. The SD was unfortunate but that was awesome from him imo
Nah that was winner's bracket he's still in it
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United States23455 Posts
On July 13 2014 04:33 Qikz wrote:
Is Ken out now? I hope not after that showing. The SD was unfortunate but that was awesome from him imo
Nah he's going to loser's now.
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On July 13 2014 04:33 Qikz wrote:
Is Ken out now? I hope not after that showing. The SD was unfortunate but that was awesome from him imo
He's in losers now
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
gogo Ken fighting still <3
I always have so much trouble following evo brackets for some reason hah.
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Damn that was such a sick play by Shroomed but he botched it hard TT
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Ken is out btw, lost to Fiction
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United States23455 Posts
Ken goes out to Fiction.
GO GET'EM S2J!
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Canada8031 Posts
It's time for
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J5VNvho.png)
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Damn. Come on S2J bring it back!
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Aww Johnny was so close. Time to destroy him M2K
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Canada8031 Posts
Wasn't that close <_<
Leffen M2K should be a pretty good set.
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By the way, will there be a doubles side tourney?
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Canada8031 Posts
Chibo's supposed to be doing one, yeah.
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Canada8031 Posts
Axe is getting bodied. =/
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reposts from twitter! follow @jugglerob for a buncha result tweets
Lucky eliminates The Moon in losers
Javi is out (lost to S2J, Eddy Mexico)
PPU beat Eddy Mexico then lose 2-1 to M2K
Darkrain beat Silent Wolf, lost to Shroomed, beat Cyrain, playing Fiction
and yooo now mango gets bodied
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Dayummm back to back 3 stocks 1 for each player.
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Haha that set was entertaining
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Canada8031 Posts
Great set. Axe is getting pretty legit.
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United States23745 Posts
This game should be goooood.
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I'm hoping for a Fox ditto
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M2K finally starting out a set with the Marth
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Not what I expected out of this haha.
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Wow. M2K seriously on point.
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He should just start with Marth more.
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Finally M2K just started Marth. I've seen him start Sheik, barely lose the first game, then 3 stock as Marth in game 2 in so many sets haha
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Also surprised that they went to Yoshi's first game. Maybe Leffen likes the stage
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On July 13 2014 05:12 Yorkie wrote:
Finally M2K just started Marth. I've seen him start Sheik, barely lose the first game, then 3 stock as Marth in game 2 in so many sets haha
To be fair, a lot of that is counter-picking spacies on FD. He can't always get FD.
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On July 13 2014 05:14 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 05:12 Yorkie wrote:
Finally M2K just started Marth. I've seen him start Sheik, barely lose the first game, then 3 stock as Marth in game 2 in so many sets haha To be fair, a lot of that is counter-picking spacies on FD. He can't always get FD.
Yeah that's the cause of the three stocks. but he just handled Leffen on Yoshi's and Stadium and he never looked pressured at all. I just think his Marth vs spacies has always looked more impressive than his Sheik.
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Poor Fly. He's doing well so far, but this matchup...
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Ugh Peach vs Ice Climbers.
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On July 13 2014 05:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Poor Fly. He's doing well so far, but this matchup...
say what
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On July 13 2014 05:13 Yorkie wrote:
Also surprised that they went to Yoshi's first game. Maybe Leffen likes the stage
Yoshi's is fine for spacies vs. Marth
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On July 13 2014 05:17 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 05:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Poor Fly. He's doing well so far, but this matchup... say what
okay he died but it was close!
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On July 13 2014 05:17 stuchiu wrote:
Ugh Peach vs Ice Climbers.
Every time I see your icon I have to actively try to not see it as a Weepinbell.
+ Show Spoiler +
I can't be the only one, right...
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Armada looking great, and going to play the winner of PP and HB ^^
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Liquipedia is wrong ATM. NMW is misstyped as NWM in losers.
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So now we have two of the gods fighting. Who will be the fourth one to qualify in winners' side?
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Rooting for Hbox here so we can see the evolution of hbox/armada game theory picking.
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Fuck I missed it how did HBox win?
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On July 13 2014 05:36 onlywonderboy wrote:
Fuck I missed it how did HBox win?
4 rest-kills.
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On July 13 2014 05:36 onlywonderboy wrote:
Fuck I missed it how did HBox win?
Rest x4
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On July 13 2014 05:36 onlywonderboy wrote:
Fuck I missed it how did HBox win?
4 rests in game 3, thats how
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On July 13 2014 05:19 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 05:13 Yorkie wrote:
Also surprised that they went to Yoshi's first game. Maybe Leffen likes the stage Yoshi's is fine for spacies vs. Marth
Seems slightly Marth-favored to me. I figured Leffen would rather go to BF or mayyyybe fountain
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Damn Fiction beat Darkrain
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Axe top 8! Pika Pika!
6 players in top 8 so far and 6 different characters I think? Pretty sick.
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SilentWolf played a lot of Fox dittos for sure
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 13 2014 06:26 Ej_ wrote:SilentWolf played a lot of Fox dittos for sure
20xx bracket right there.
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That silentwolf/Leffen set was quite enjoyable. Silentwolf so aggressive and getting top 8 here is super impressive for him!
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United States10328 Posts
it's ok I still believe in PP
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RIP in peace Captain Falcon.
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nooooo, no more captain falcon or aMSa
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I feel bad for PP, he was dominating most of the game...only to get rested four friggin times lmao.
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On July 13 2014 05:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Liquipedia is wrong ATM. NMW is misstyped as NWM in losers.
you could have fixed this yourself, all you need is a TL account(which you have)
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M2K and Hax 3-1 H-box and Plup. Brackets reset.
Annnd M2K and Hax 0-3 H-box and Plup.
M2K was playing jiggs btw and not badly. I suspect he's been practicing to use her as a counter-pick vs Armada. :o
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United States10328 Posts
M2k plays Jiggs in teams pretty often when HBox is involved (I think at ROM7 there was some funny stuff with Darc + Hbox vs M2k + someone, where there were loooots of rests in a row)
so doubles results are
1. Plup/Hungrybox
2. Hax/Mew2king
3. Leffen/Ice
4. PewPewU/SFAT
5. MacD/Fiction, KDJ/ZeRo
7. Lucky/Mango, Shroomed/S2J??
9. Aniolas/Armada, ?, ?, ?
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Sort of off topic; liquipedia for smash uses country flags? Seems much less useful than using character icons. Any way liquipedia can get the icons on there?
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For the majority of matches, the characters used and even the match scores are not known. For the matches where the characters are known, you can click on the match to see the characters and the stock scores. Using character icons where the flags are would result in a lot of blank spaces. Since many players use multiple characters, using players' mains would result in potential misrepresentation of match results.
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So, who won PM? Fell asleep again when they were showing top 6.
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Calling it now, m2k avoids armada and wins evo this year.
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For that to happen, he'd have to beat Mango, and/or Hbox would have to beat Armada. I wouldn't bet on either of those things happening.
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Disregarding the tournament without his controller m2ks been beating mango pretty consistently for a while now lol.
I agree with hbox losing to armada though.
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They have traded sets at times, but I'm pretty sure Mango still holds the upper hand.
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On July 14 2014 00:28 yamato77 wrote:
They have traded sets at times, but I'm pretty sure Mango still holds the upper hand.
Leading up to MLG, M2K was winning consistently. Mang0 lost at SuperSweet, SKTAR, and Apex, all 3-1. Mango did beat him at CEO.
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Is evo really budgeting 2 hours for this?
Can't see them staying on schedule.
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evo never stays on schedule. and 1 hour of that already went to blaz blue.
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On July 14 2014 04:57 Vesky wrote:Is evo really budgeting 2 hours for this? Can't see them staying on schedule.
All of the matches will be streamed, iirc. That's 10 sets, each of which has the potential to be 24 minutes long, plus setup time and ads and stuff. So they've potentially budgeted only half the time it could require.
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On July 14 2014 05:02 stuchiu wrote:
evo never stays on schedule. and 1 hour of that already went to blaz blue.
Oh, well late night tonight I guess.
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Yawn, why are they showing something like Killer Instinct? Seems just like another Mortal Kombat.
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At least it's got some wacky monsters. Looks better than Marvel anyways. Plus it's over now.
SMASH TIME!
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KI is literally SF moves with MK themes.
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Wow twitch chat is lame, all the people shitting on smash who would rather just watch people play a combo simulator.
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IT'S REGGIE
What's he going to do?
Oh well neat announcement.
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On July 14 2014 05:53 batsnacks wrote:
IT'S REGGIE
What's he going to do?
pander
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On July 14 2014 05:53 batsnacks wrote:
IT'S REGGIE
What's he going to do?
Probably ruin everything. Nintendo needs to keep the hell away.
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Here comes the next attempt, falco!
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hbox (falco) vs armada (young link) looooool
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armada just upaired hbox literally 9 times for the kill
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8 Uairs in a row?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?! WHATAFACK
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EVO using 20XX hack? Hbox with 7 characters.
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Armada pretty good at Young Link
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HBox giving up on the counterpicking Armada's YL, apparently
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well it worked out for him
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Wonder if we're going to see a timeout or two.
Wish they led with mango m2k.
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Noo, Armada =(
Nicely played by Hbox though.
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last time they played this matchup didnt armada shit on hbox 3-0 (at mlg i think)?
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On July 14 2014 06:15 synapse wrote:
last time they played this matchup didnt armada shit on hbox 3-0 (at mlg i think)?
yes
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Did not expect HBox to send Armada to Loser's. GJ HBox
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More and more I find myself getting into this smash scene. That was a pretty awesome performance by HBox
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suddenly Twitch had to start lagging
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On July 14 2014 06:23 Ej_ wrote:
huh no FD?
bo3 so its almost certainly banned.
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m2k should lose the scarf
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On July 14 2014 06:24 Code wrote:
wow streams at 94K now
Not a lot compared to last year, will get higher. Also, TI4 and WC is at the same time.
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On July 14 2014 06:26 Lucumo wrote:Not a lot compared to last year, will get higher. Also, TI4 and WC is at the same time.
last year benefitted from the cancer drive and then ban and repeal by Nintendo too.
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On July 14 2014 06:28 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 06:26 Lucumo wrote:On July 14 2014 06:24 Code wrote:
wow streams at 94K now Not a lot compared to last year, will get higher. Also, TI4 and WC is at the same time. last year benefitted from the cancer drive and then ban and repeal by Nintendo too.
It was a lot higher in general though. Several games were above 100k.
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On July 14 2014 06:26 Lucumo wrote:Not a lot compared to last year, will get higher. Also, TI4 and WC is at the same time.
Random day of League of Legends LCS still gets more views than TI4.... that's the big thing hurting it. I'm watching both atm.
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SOPO SON
Also funny I believe I can Fly chant.
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Every time I see Fly on Stadium, I think of that match he had against Wobbles.
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sopo
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What a terrible way to go
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Nooooo Flyyyyyyy
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Axe looks so good on the Pikachu~
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Axe going deeper with his pika then what any sheik ever did.
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Surprised to see axe drop a recovery like that.
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LOOOOOOOL 55 sec 4 stock lolololol
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holy jesus fucking christ
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Wrekt!
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Walgreen's Drake. Started in Arizona, now we here.
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PIKACHU PIKACHU PIKACHU PIKACHU
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That was fucking awesome. Go Pika Power!
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Sucks for Silent Wolf. He played out of his mind this tournament to have it ended that way
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On July 14 2014 06:48 Ej_ wrote:
holy jesus fucking christ
Couldn't say it better myself.
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That was my favorite minute of evo so far.
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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME, AXE?
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That was dirty as fuck Axe!!
Also 100k viewers!
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Holy shit what did I just watch.
Walgreens drake, NOTHING WAS THE SAME
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And the first god is about to drop out.
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That was a minute of pure destruction
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M2k's sheik is gonna be further from beating PPMD than Shroomed was. Nice
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m2k should have taken off the scarf
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On July 14 2014 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
M2k's sheik is gonna be further from beating PPMD than Shroomed was. Nice
what's he supposed to do? pick Falcon?
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On July 14 2014 06:57 batsnacks wrote:
m2k should have taken off the scarf
Yep, it was all the scarf.
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On July 14 2014 06:58 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
M2k's sheik is gonna be further from beating PPMD than Shroomed was. Nice what's he supposed to do? pick Falcon?
Marth?
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On July 14 2014 06:58 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
M2k's sheik is gonna be further from beating PPMD than Shroomed was. Nice what's he supposed to do? pick Falcon?
If only he had another character
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On July 14 2014 06:59 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 06:58 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2014 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
M2k's sheik is gonna be further from beating PPMD than Shroomed was. Nice what's he supposed to do? pick Falcon? Marth?
PP beats him in Marth dittos
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On July 14 2014 06:59 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 06:59 Figgy wrote:On July 14 2014 06:58 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2014 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
M2k's sheik is gonna be further from beating PPMD than Shroomed was. Nice what's he supposed to do? pick Falcon? Marth? PP beats him in Marth dittos
Beat* him...there is no law that says M2k can't turn that around
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Axe is getting really good
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I love Armada but good lord Axe is playing out of his mind.
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Is this really happening?
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On July 14 2014 06:59 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 06:58 Ej_ wrote:On July 14 2014 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
M2k's sheik is gonna be further from beating PPMD than Shroomed was. Nice what's he supposed to do? pick Falcon? Marth?
The last time M2k used marth against PPMD he got 4 stocked by PPMD's marth.
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Axe beating Armada? What the hell?
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Well I hope the winner of this series wins the tournament
and I also hope it's Armada
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axe is the 6th god
pikagod
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Axe so good, I love that guy
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Okay Axe...that was stupid
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Oh wow, He did not believe.
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lol
'not skunked so now I can forfeit'
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I thought Axe was just arrogant, but that stunt was just sad. Play it out dude
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Looks pretty bad for axe
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Armada seems a little off point this game :/
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Armada had me scared there. Nice gesture by Axe after the match, lovely guy.
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Top 6, same as mlg.
Good stuff from axe. That last silentwolf set was ridiculous.
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What the hell? up throw upair as Peach isn't a pure combo. Did Axe get faked out?
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On July 14 2014 07:11 Elyvilon wrote:
Armada seems a little off point this game :/
Probably doesn't know the matchup that well - atleast not against such a great Pikachu player
gg, glad Axe made it this far...
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Why is axe the only guy I ever see catch the turnips?
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lol PP and Armada both pushed their glasses up at the same time :3
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On July 14 2014 07:15 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Why is axe the only guy I ever see catch the turnips?
M2K catches them a lot as Sheik.
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On July 14 2014 07:15 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Why is axe the only guy I ever see catch the turnips?
M2K does it a lot as well.
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That was such a great set with Axe and Armada. I may have found another favorite player. XD
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Damnnnn what a turnaround
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Another day, another Bo3, Axe can take it. =D
Surprised Armada didn't adapt a little faster though, he changed a few things but usually he looks pure genius in those situations and dominates.
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PP choked hard there, thinking he had the game or something. Why are you approaching?
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Armada pulls the best vegetables haha
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dat bomb
man I wanna see PPMD against Mang0
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On July 14 2014 07:19 Yorkie wrote:
Armada pulls the best vegetables haha
"vegetables"
i don't think bombs usually grow out of the ground
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Peach is so annoying rofl
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On July 14 2014 07:21 Elyvilon wrote:"vegetables" i don't think bombs usually grow out of the ground
They do in Sweden apparently
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On July 14 2014 07:21 Elyvilon wrote:"vegetables" i don't think bombs usually grow out of the ground
Maybe not where you live.
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On July 14 2014 07:21 Elyvilon wrote:"vegetables" i don't think bombs usually grow out of the ground
in zelda they do
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On July 14 2014 07:24 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 07:21 Elyvilon wrote:On July 14 2014 07:19 Yorkie wrote:
Armada pulls the best vegetables haha "vegetables" i don't think bombs usually grow out of the ground Maybe not where you live.
As far as I know they only grow out of the ground in Vietnam.
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Those Armada vs PP games were super close. I thought PP should've had game 1 D:
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how the hell does mango have a 7 character name
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When was the last time a SC2 event got 113199 viewers?
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On July 14 2014 07:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:
When was the last time a SC2 event got 113199 viewers?
Blizzcon 2013 had more so last November?
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On July 14 2014 07:26 Elyvilon wrote:
how the hell does mango have a 7 character name
He's just that pro
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Bo5 HYPE (but really the entire top 8 should have been Bo5).
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By the way, is Mango sick or was his nose just itching?
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Hungrybox says "Welcome to the thunderdome!"
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There we go H-box take this
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That early rest just set the pace for the match.
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On July 14 2014 07:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:
When was the last time a SC2 event got 113199 viewers?
;_;
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On July 14 2014 07:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:
When was the last time a SC2 event got 113199 viewers?
Last November. Calm yourself
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On July 14 2014 07:27 Ettick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 07:26 Elyvilon wrote:
how the hell does mango have a 7 character name He's just that pro
no seriously, how do you do it?
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For the first two games, hbox smash DI'd every single uthrow uair attempt from mango. Really impressive.
Mango looking crazy good as usual.
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On July 14 2014 07:36 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 07:27 Ettick wrote:On July 14 2014 07:26 Elyvilon wrote:
how the hell does mango have a 7 character name He's just that pro no seriously, how do you do it?
Memory card hack.
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HOLY SHIT RESTTTTTTTTTUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Shit please don't let Mang0 win it all
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WOW FUCK FOX UP SMASH!
70% KILL.
MANGO WAS GETTING WORKED.
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Alright now I think Armada is going to run it all the way back to Mango
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I'm sorry Mango is good but he also has dat Fox bonus. Seriously that set HungryBox>Mango.
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On July 14 2014 07:49 Just_a_Moth wrote:
I'm sorry Mango is good but he also has dat Fox bonus. Seriously that set HungryBox>Mango.
if you talked with mango for 2 minutes about one of the stocks he played and how/why he did what he did you would disagree with yourself.
yeah fox ko's puff at low % but hbox just needs one good hit to kill fox with chained aerials and of course, mango has to do so much to avoid the rest setups constantly its just one more annoyance to think about and affects how he can do what he does
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Hungrybox can't short hop with fox
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Looks like Hungrybox hates playing the Puff/YL matchup as much as I hate watching it haha
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Are there any other Young Links in the world? My knowledge of smash isn't terribly vast but I can't think of one
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On July 14 2014 07:57 batsnacks wrote:
Hungrybox can't short hop with fox
Are you suggesting that one of the top 5 players in the world can't short hop?
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Wow Armada..
Who does Hbox pick now?
EDIT: back to puff
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The difference between hboxs fox and say mangos is pretty noticeable lol
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armada stylin this time around
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On July 14 2014 06:32 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 06:26 Lucumo wrote:On July 14 2014 06:24 Code wrote:
wow streams at 94K now Not a lot compared to last year, will get higher. Also, TI4 and WC is at the same time. Random day of League of Legends LCS still gets more views than TI4.... that's the big thing hurting it. I'm watching both atm.
Not really. TI4 is also shown on youtube, their own site + people are in the DotA 2 client.
Also, the Chinese are watching somewhere as well(other than Twitch).
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Damn somebody tell the casters that Argentina lost today haha
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On July 14 2014 08:04 Yorkie wrote:
Damn somebody tell the casters that Argentina lost today haha
Pretty soon they'll lose here too, then they'll stop naturally
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Oh shit is the comeback real?
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On July 14 2014 08:09 Yorkie wrote:
Oh shit is the comeback real?
After watching a weekend of TI4 I believe in any comeback at this point
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wow that was a comeback from HBox.
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Hungrybox swagging on him! Well played
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Meh, fuck HBox, no Mango vs Armada finals -_-
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OMG
No Armada vs Mango FINALS? The Rematch has been DENIED.
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Hbox baired like the god he is, and we saw that it was good.
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Let's go Hbox, complete the underdog story
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On July 14 2014 08:18 darthfoley wrote:
Let's go Hbox, complete the underdog story
the complete underdog story would've been axe
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On July 14 2014 08:21 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 08:18 darthfoley wrote:
Let's go Hbox, complete the underdog story the complete underdog story would've been axe
That's "canada winning the world cup" underdog. let's be realistic here
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On July 14 2014 08:24 Code wrote:
LOL wow that ending
2 rests into someone picking their nose.#EVO
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On July 14 2014 08:24 stuchiu wrote:2 rests into someone picking their nose.#EVO
Legendary.
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On July 14 2014 08:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 08:21 Elyvilon wrote:On July 14 2014 08:18 darthfoley wrote:
Let's go Hbox, complete the underdog story the complete underdog story would've been axe That's "canada winning the world cup" underdog. let's be realistic here
I mean axe got top 6 and almost beat armada, it's more like Costa Rica or NL winning
Probably most like France honestly, people knew that axe was pretty good but not the best
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jesus fuck mango is on point right now
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I just don't think Hbox can beat Mango on FD
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I bet Mango is disappointed he doesn't get to play Armada again. I know I am, no disrespect to Hbox of course.
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On July 14 2014 08:29 stuchiu wrote:
I just don't think Hbox can beat Mango on FD
THE WRITERS CURSE IS REAL
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Mango double u-air into up-smash every time.
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fuck we'll never hear the end of it
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ggwp, we'll never hear the end of this.
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On July 14 2014 08:35 synapse wrote:
Hbox very impressive this tourney though.
Looked way better than he did during the last couple big tournaments.
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ww, Hbox looked good though
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EVO hasn't been good to me so far. Daigo and Tokido out early in USFIV, Tokido only 2nd in KoF13 and Armada not playing Mango in the finals =/
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Smash Gods all making an impressive showing LOL.
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HBox knocked out Armada twice, thats a fucking achievement.
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On July 14 2014 08:38 stuchiu wrote:
HBox knocked out Armada twice, thats a fucking achievement.
Real talk. Especially with the Young Link counterpick.
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whoa, what's goin on here
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Could anyone hear what D1 was saying? The music drowned out everything for me.
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Poor Prog. We'll miss you!
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It hadn't set in that this wasn't just the end of the Summer of Smash, but also the Summer of Prog ;_;
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Huh, what happened to prog?
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What a great tourney, thank you to everyone.
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Prog
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On July 14 2014 08:43 stuchiu wrote:
Huh, what happened to prog?
He's retiring from casting more or less; health issues.
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On July 14 2014 08:44 darthfoley wrote:He's retiring from casting more or less; health issues.
Thats depressing.
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What was Nintendo's involvement in EVO this year?
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On July 14 2014 08:43 onlywonderboy wrote:
It hadn't set in that this wasn't just the end of the Summer of Smash, but also the Summer of Prog ;_;
Why would it be the end of the summer of smash?
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On July 14 2014 08:46 Fazers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 08:43 onlywonderboy wrote:
It hadn't set in that this wasn't just the end of the Summer of Smash, but also the Summer of Prog ;_; Why would it be the end of the summer of smash?
I mean Smash isn't over, but MLG, CEO, and EVO were like the three main Smash events for the Summer. Just a lot of hype built up for them.
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Really great tournament. Was looking forward to the next development in Armada vs Peach but Mango vs HBox certainly delivered and was a refreshing change.
Overall, the variety we had in top 8 was amazing. What/when is the next Smash major tournament?
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Wow, it's not going to be same without Prog.
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Damn Mang0 will never stop talking about this
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On July 14 2014 08:48 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 08:46 Fazers wrote:On July 14 2014 08:43 onlywonderboy wrote:
It hadn't set in that this wasn't just the end of the Summer of Smash, but also the Summer of Prog ;_; Why would it be the end of the summer of smash? I mean Smash isn't over, but MLG, CEO, and EVO were like the three main Smash events for the Summer. Just a lot of hype built up for them.
don't forget KoC4
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KoC4 was so last minute though, no buildup
but yeah there's been a major/regional every weekend since like late april
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He seems like the fucking coolest guy. Its going to be a shame that he's going to retire.
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only from commentating
he said he's gonna stick around and do production on what he can
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I think last year's Evo might of been more hype. I think the double Hbox-Armada games weren't really dream MUs from an hype perspective, though I'm hella happy Hbox beat Armada twice and got over that obstacle. Axe was the real big hype train though, imagine if he beat Armada =O
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yeah, young link - puff isn't terribly fun to watch (but it's not like peach - puff is either, heh)
oh well
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Man, hungrybox really ruined the viewer experience here. PPMD, Armada and such vs Mango would have been much better finals. I hate the fact that jigglypuff exists in the game
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On July 14 2014 11:42 Shikyo wrote:
Man, hungrybox really ruined the viewer experience here. PPMD, Armada and such vs Mango would have been much better finals. I hate the fact that jigglypuff exists in the game
lol why I'm I not surprised you're bringing the salt.
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I don't think fox vs peach is much more enjoyable at all then jigglypuff vs fox. Not the current jigglypuff that hbox plays anyway
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hbox definitely lowered the hype though
like yeah he brought it to game 5 but def not as hype of a GF matchup or a "rivalry" as mango/any other big five
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On July 14 2014 11:42 Shikyo wrote:
Man, hungrybox really ruined the viewer experience here. PPMD, Armada and such vs Mango would have been much better finals. I hate the fact that jigglypuff exists in the game
I'd rather watch Jigglypuff than Fox (not that either of those guys play Fox).
Edit: What do you guys mean "Hbox lowered the hype?" Hbox was the hype.
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On July 14 2014 12:49 Just_a_Moth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 11:42 Shikyo wrote:
Man, hungrybox really ruined the viewer experience here. PPMD, Armada and such vs Mango would have been much better finals. I hate the fact that jigglypuff exists in the game I'd rather watch Jigglypuff than Fox (not that either of those guys play Fox). Edit: What do you guys mean "Hbox lowered the hype?" Hbox was the hype.
Why on earth would you rather watch jiggs to fox? Also that "story line" hype is pretty horrible. Games are so much more enjoyable when theres an intrinsic value to them, rather then some external shit like that.
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Variety?
Plus whenever I see Fox I just wish I was watching Falco instead.
Edit: What do you mean storyline hype? I was just excited to see Hbox do well. Since he hadn't been doing that great lately. And since he performed better the games were better so their intrinsic value went up.
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Storyline hype aka Mango vs. Armada was cockblocked. Hard.
Summer lead-up:
Super SWEET: Armada > Mango (though this wasn't GFs)
MLG: Mango > Armada (Armada > Mango in pools)
CEO: Armada > Mango (Mango > Armada in WFs)
KoC4: Mango > Armada (Armada bracket reset in GFs)
Going into EVO:
8-8 all-time sets
33-32 all-time individual games
EVO comes. The biggest tournament to cap off the summer. The tournament everything has been building to...
Armada double eliminated by Hbox in a real snoozer of a series. We get Mango vs. Hbox grand finals
15-2 all-time sets (after evo)
dunno games but it's something lopsided
to me, that is storyline anti-hype. the mango/hbox "rivalry" hasn't really existed for a long time, it's just mango winning every time and made grand finals less exciting in general
like obviously can't complain about Hbox having probably the tournament of his life, but I wanted more
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Okay I understand what you are saying. I guess it was kind of anti-climatic in that sense.
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God it is SUCH a fad to hate on hbox. When will people get over it?
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Yeah the only thing I didn't like was YL-Puff killing the hype. I'd imagine if Axe gets an upsmash that last game vs Armada we'd be in for a more hype Top8.
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Maybe I'm the only one but I freaking loved YL-Puff and especially seeing Hbox beat all odds to get into the finals.
Hbox is such a cool, nice guy and I love watching him play and how excited he gets. Hbox <3
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Is there any prospect for Ken and KDJ to be top contender in the future or has the ship already sailed?
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On July 14 2014 20:37 nimdil wrote:
Is there any prospect for Ken and KDJ to be top contender in the future or has the ship already sailed?
There wasn't really any chance to begin with tbh... they ain't challenging the top5.
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On July 14 2014 16:46 puppykiller wrote:
God it is SUCH a fad to hate on hbox. When will people get over it?
Tuesday
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On July 14 2014 18:19 Qikz wrote:
Maybe I'm the only one but I freaking loved YL-Puff and especially seeing Hbox beat all odds to get into the finals.
Hbox is such a cool, nice guy and I love watching him play and how excited he gets. Hbox <3
Ya, I loved it too tbh. I do wish Armada would've won, though .
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I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.
Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare?
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On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.
Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare?
If only Mango had played Falco...
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On July 14 2014 20:37 nimdil wrote:
Is there any prospect for Ken and KDJ to be top contender in the future or has the ship already sailed?
They can maybe contend to be top 25, though the people around them seem to be improving faster than they are
beyond that seems unlikely
@darthfoley: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/smash/EVO_2014/Quarters_Brackets, he got 13th (lost to Zanguzen and Plup)
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On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.
Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare?
Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...?
Protip: never
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No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again.
Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage.
One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever.
On July 15 2014 03:13 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.
Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare? Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...? Protip: never
The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach.
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On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote:No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again. Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage. One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever. Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:13 Zoler wrote:On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.
Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare? Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...? Protip: never The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach.
Yeah, before Armada every grand finals was Fox dittos. Since he got here though, like at EVO, he ran through noted Fox mains Scar, HDL, Plup, Fly Amanita, Axe, and PPMD to prevent the hated finals from happening.
wait
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Zanguzen is a very old school NY Falco (aka he's from Hax's region.) He's known for his super-patient Falco, but I was as surprised as anyone that he beat Hax.
He should've taken out Nintendude though
and the highest-level Fox ditto GFs that there have been recently are like, SSS's, heh
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"before Armada every grand finals was Fox dittos" seems like a questionable statement. When is before Armada? Well let's say he broke into the scene in 2009 with a 1st place in Smash Attack and a 2nd place in Genesis 1. Then let's look at tournaments before these, and see whether their top 3s are populated by only Foxes.
RoM 1: Mango, M2K, DaShizWiz
Pound 3: Mango, M2K, PC Chris
2007 Evo World: Ken, HugS, Mango
MLG Las Vegas 2006: PC Chris, KoreanDJ, Ken
GS2: Ken, ChuDat, Azen
Game Over: Ken, Azen, Isai
Obviously there are tons and tons more tournaments to consider, but even from these somewhat notable tournaments spanning 5 years of pre-Armada smash history, we see not a single Fox main in the top 3.
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On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote:No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again. Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage. One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever. Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:13 Zoler wrote:On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.
Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare? Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...? Protip: never The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach.
Uhhh Fox ditto GFs have always been rarer, heck Fox GFs have been rare until Mango. Funny enough it was Armada who actually created a Fox ditto GFs (RoF,Beast), because Leffen was a Fox that could beat his Peach lol.
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On July 15 2014 02:56 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 20:37 nimdil wrote:
Is there any prospect for Ken and KDJ to be top contender in the future or has the ship already sailed? They can maybe contend to be top 25, though the people around them seem to be improving faster than they are beyond that seems unlikely @darthfoley: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/smash/EVO_2014/Quarters_Brackets, he got 13th (lost to Zanguzen and Plup)
Ken has improved a lot since his return. His play just looks a lot cleaner as a whole. He'll never return to his former dominance but he might get to the point where he can give some people trouble.
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On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote:No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again. Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage. One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever. Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:13 Zoler wrote:On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.
Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare? Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...? Protip: never The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach.
ICs vs Falco is pretty evenish, slight advantage for falco imo.
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On July 15 2014 03:49 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote:No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again. Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage. One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever. On July 15 2014 03:13 Zoler wrote:On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.
Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare? Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...? Protip: never The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach. Yeah, before Armada every grand finals was Fox dittos. Since he got here though, like at EVO, he ran through noted Fox mains Scar, HDL, Plup, Fly Amanita, Axe, and PPMD to prevent the hated finals from happening. wait
Leffen can't beat him. M2K can't beat him. Those are 2 really good Fox players. To be fair to you though, no one will/would challenge Mango in Fox dittos, so he could definitely be the reason why no one plays Fox vs him in GFs, if any Fox player does make it there. Good Marths have been an obstacle for Fox players as well, Ken/Azen/M2K, as someone mentioned in the past.
Also, EVO = all tournies ever apparently. Armada has been around in NA (albeit a bit on and off in the earlier years perhaps) since 2008.
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another reason is that he goes Falco when faced with a Fox because he doesn't like Fox dittos.
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On July 15 2014 12:21 tofucake wrote:
another reason is that he goes Falco when faced with a Fox because he doesn't like Fox dittos.
i believe this is correct, its quite rare mango will fox ditto in a tourney. i've never seen him play a number of fox mains with fox, always another character
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On July 15 2014 02:56 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 20:37 nimdil wrote:
Is there any prospect for Ken and KDJ to be top contender in the future or has the ship already sailed? They can maybe contend to be top 25, though the people around them seem to be improving faster than they are beyond that seems unlikely @darthfoley: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/smash/EVO_2014/Quarters_Brackets, he got 13th (lost to Zanguzen and Plup)
On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote:
No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again.
hey Chillin just got 9th in EVO, beating out players like Colbol and Westballz. If Chillin can do it, Ken and KDJ can definitely do it and become real top contenders again. They're doing very well for the time they've had imo
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PPMD...EG curse?
HungryBox was pretty hyped though. As much as I wanted to see Armada vs. Mango in grand final, HB beating Armada's YL and PPMD's falco is an achievement I'm glad I witnessed. Coming into evo, I was expecting HB to fall off as one of the gods, but was proven wrong. Good job HungryBox. SilentWolf's run was unexpected also.
KoC4 was the best tournament this summer, imo.
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i havent been watching kdj, but ken is actually getting pretty good in socal. hes still old man slow and has bad habits but sometimes he plays really well
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On July 15 2014 12:13 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:49 Kyuukyuu wrote:On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote:No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again. Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage. One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever. On July 15 2014 03:13 Zoler wrote:On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.
Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare? Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...? Protip: never The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach. Yeah, before Armada every grand finals was Fox dittos. Since he got here though, like at EVO, he ran through noted Fox mains Scar, HDL, Plup, Fly Amanita, Axe, and PPMD to prevent the hated finals from happening. wait Leffen can't beat him. M2K can't beat him. Those are 2 really good Fox players. To be fair to you though, no one will/would challenge Mango in Fox dittos, so he could definitely be the reason why no one plays Fox vs him in GFs, if any Fox player does make it there. Good Marths have been an obstacle for Fox players as well, Ken/Azen/M2K, as someone mentioned in the past. Also, EVO = all tournies ever apparently. Armada has been around in NA (albeit a bit on and off in the earlier years perhaps) since 2008.
So what you are saying is, Fox dittos GF IS RARE ...And it's not because of Armada because prior to that Fox had a few GFs appearances. Plus Leffen has shown to be capable of beating his Peach, which funnily enough actually brought the Fox ditto GFs upon us. Remember Fox was derided as not being able to win tourneys because it was true (PC was the only one who really won anything), until friggin Mango. I don't get it, as good as AR is he's no more of a reason than M2K, PP, etc. for Fox not making to GFs lol. Also Armada's first NA tourney was Genesis, in the summer of 09.
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On July 15 2014 17:04 rabidch wrote:
i havent been watching kdj, but ken is actually getting pretty good in socal. hes still old man slow and has bad habits but sometimes he plays really well
Ken is hilarious. Sometimes he pulls off the sickest combos and other times he just does the scrubbiest shit. He's improved so much over the last few years though. It's actually so funny how lopsided Ken vs Scar was at KoC4 was compared to KoC2. He'll never be top tier, but he's still damn fun to watch, and that's enough for me.
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Many of the things Ken does just make no sense and seem like age-old bad habits. He has many flashes of brilliance though and is very entertaining as far as Marths go.
He's not even that bad at this point, I consider 33. at EVO respectable.
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The thing is I bet Chillin is taking smash way more serious than Ken and KDJ right now, and it's showing.
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On July 15 2014 12:13 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:49 Kyuukyuu wrote:On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote:No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again. Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage. One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever. On July 15 2014 03:13 Zoler wrote:On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.
Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare? Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...? Protip: never The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach. Yeah, before Armada every grand finals was Fox dittos. Since he got here though, like at EVO, he ran through noted Fox mains Scar, HDL, Plup, Fly Amanita, Axe, and PPMD to prevent the hated finals from happening. wait Leffen can't beat him. M2K can't beat him. Those are 2 really good Fox players. To be fair to you though, no one will/would challenge Mango in Fox dittos, so he could definitely be the reason why no one plays Fox vs him in GFs, if any Fox player does make it there. Good Marths have been an obstacle for Fox players as well, Ken/Azen/M2K, as someone mentioned in the past. Also, EVO = all tournies ever apparently. Armada has been around in NA (albeit a bit on and off in the earlier years perhaps) since 2008.
The reason for no Fox ditto grand finals is not Armada. It's because no other Fox is good enough to make it there.
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On July 16 2014 01:27 Spazer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 17:04 rabidch wrote:
i havent been watching kdj, but ken is actually getting pretty good in socal. hes still old man slow and has bad habits but sometimes he plays really well Ken is hilarious. Sometimes he pulls off the sickest combos and other times he just does the scrubbiest shit. He's improved so much over the last few years though. It's actually so funny how lopsided Ken vs Scar was at KoC4 was compared to KoC2. He'll never be top tier, but he's still damn fun to watch, and that's enough for me.
its only been a little bit more than a year
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On July 15 2014 03:13 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.
Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare? Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...? Protip: never
I wasn't implying that the finals are always saturated with 2 Foxes. I was merely expressing my dislike for Fox matchups, especially fox dittos.
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Fox might be the most overrated best character in a video game until a few years ago lol. I still remember when Fox had trouble winning tourneys at all despite being the most popular by far.
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Fox isn't overrated at all. He's by far the best character and has at least half a dozen totally broken options that no one else has. He's just also by far the hardest to play, and Fox players SD all the time because the character is so demanding.
IMO the real 20xx is gonna be no Fox players because their controllers all suck
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What's wrong with prog, health wise? I saw the video but didn't really catch anything other than short breath.
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uhhh Jigglypuff got 2nd??
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Puff has been top tier for many years and she also has a favorable matchup against Peach, which is Armada's main, and he was the other contender for top 3. No big surprise
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Ugh so sad Armada v Mango grand final didn't happen. HBox is one of the few players that makes watching melee boring. Props to him for beating Armada though.
Also I don't get how people hate on spacies matchups. They're the characters that make melee exciting by having insane punish games, both for and against them.
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On July 17 2014 13:22 Ognam wrote:
Ugh so sad Armada v Mango grand final didn't happen. HBox is one of the few players that makes watching melee boring. Props to him for beating Armada though.
Also I don't get how people hate on spacies matchups. They're the characters that make melee exciting by having insane punish games, both for and against them.
I think Falcon is by far the most exciting character, although I do love me some Marth/aMSa. I've always liked watching some of the lesser played characters, which is why Axe's run was so cool.
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