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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
I think a lot of this comes down to the fact that they did not spend the time to properly beta test this game, perhaps assuming it was "close enough" to Civ V as it uses the same engine. I would not be surprised if 2K pushed hard for the game to come out in time for Christmas either, development cycle be damned. I have no doubt that the game will be improved in the months/years to come but it is disappointing to see it marketed now as a full release (with the full-price tag) when the "complete" game is surely another few years and at least $60 away. But whenever I hear someone say, "well, it's better than Civ V vanilla.." I can't help but think that they are just grasping at straws to justify the money spent. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
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On October 27 2014 02:53 Yurie wrote: People probably didn't play BNW, I didn't. My biggest complaint with trade routes is that I keep having to set them over and over and over and over again. All of them don't keep going after they are set, even if they are internal. That is why I installed a mod that increases the trade route duration to 80 turns. Before that, I intentionally didn't pick the "+1 trade routes" because I didn't want to deal with even more trade routes. Even with the mod they keep annoying me, so I might tune the value even higher. Link: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=331446196&searchtext= I've mostly done the ICS thing and it still works quite well, especially with the +2 culture, +1 health per city faction that allows you to get to the -25% health reduction fairly quickly. Once you've reached that, all your cities basically have +10% to everything, are less vulnerable to covert ops, etc. Trade routes are a real pain for ICS though. | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
And the problem with the trade route duration mod is that the stations only level up once the trade route "completes", so 80 turn routes would be a big nerf to stations. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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Sub40APM
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
I also tried Purity now, it seems really strong. The Battlesuit is just an insane unit and the gene 2 health thingy comes in very handy. | ||
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North2
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I'm starting to feel that 1 trade route per city is too much. | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=536537 | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
pretty much splash growth virtue for the free colonist then go ind for the health/trade route bonus, and some sci for the virtues that help wide empites purity is best, gene helps bridge the gap to biowells, and battlesuit is hands down the best early game unit. The farm tech is all purity, so you dont' need to muck around with terraforming or trying to optimize/balance cities. just spam farms everywhere. Purity does have weak other units, except if you like to mass tanks and just ram them down everyone's throats. They have the best tanks for that =S | ||
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Yurie
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On October 27 2014 06:27 Morfildur wrote: That is why I installed a mod that increases the trade route duration to 80 turns. Before that, I intentionally didn't pick the "+1 trade routes" because I didn't want to deal with even more trade routes. Even with the mod they keep annoying me, so I might tune the value even higher. Link: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=331446196&searchtext= I've mostly done the ICS thing and it still works quite well, especially with the +2 culture, +1 health per city faction that allows you to get to the -25% health reduction fairly quickly. Once you've reached that, all your cities basically have +10% to everything, are less vulnerable to covert ops, etc. Trade routes are a real pain for ICS though. I wish more for an automated trader like the worker or exploring. You hit it and each time the duration expires they select the best available route, perhaps an internal/external option on top of it. That way you don't run into the limit of using bad routes since they have changed during 80 turns. Though that is better than the current system. | ||
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Nachtwind
Germany1130 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On October 27 2014 08:15 North2 wrote: I'm starting to remember now....BNW felt dumb to me because trade routes scaled with the size of cities you're trading to. It felt like Mario Cart, where the people at the lower standings got help to boost them up to the rest of the world. It took away from the challenge of the game entirely, since any mistakes and suboptimal setups can be made up by trading ridiculous amounts to catch up. This game's probably even worse if you play without any self-imposed limitations to trade routes since you can actually surpass people with basically an unlimited supply of Golden Mushrooms, and the AI isn't smart enough to do the same. I'm starting to feel that 1 trade route per city is too much. A few things. In BNW internal trade route do not scale with city size at all. External trade route scale with the gold the city makes (which can be a function of your pop). Internal routes scale with the era you are in, gaining 0.5 per era (1 for sea routes due to x2 bonus). Also the number of routes was tied to the tech tree you went from a quick 4 routes to a late game 8 routes (10 with 2 wonders). In BE: -trade routes numbers are THREE per cities, so a 7 city empire will get 21 routes. Nuts. -Internal: yields scale on differentials between 2 of your cities. Linking a huge city to a small one will give you HUGE yields both ways while linking 2 identical cities gives nothing. They also give both food and production. -External: Both gold and science scale up the whole game ending up being a huge chunk of your science and gold. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On October 27 2014 15:38 Nachtwind wrote: Can you terraform like in AC? Like raising up mountains to influence rain etc? No such options in BE. This is just a mod for Civ 5 with no new mechanics except Orbital stations, they only put a new paint on Civ 5 options. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On October 27 2014 18:48 -Archangel- wrote: It does feel like a (somewhat sloppy) mod, yes. But you can count the "miasma" mechanic as terraforming. It gives you the choice between cleaning miasma and thus make it more like earth, or rather evolving your units to tolerate miasma and eventually even gain benefits from it. It's like a Starcraft map with random creep scattered around it.No such options in BE. This is just a mod for Civ 5 with no new mechanics except Orbital stations, they only put a new paint on Civ 5 options. The mod thing aside (I don't think this deserved to be counted as a full new game version), I think some UI stuff are sloppy. Even taking a step back from what Civ already was capable of in the past. When the game ends it does so very abruptly and without much info on what exactly happened. These games used to provide options like quick replay - run the turns really quickly and observe how all civs developed on the map. I couldn't find such option here. It's still a nice game, but it needs some polishing and it should have been sold as an expansion to Civ 5, imo. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
On October 27 2014 19:26 -Archangel- wrote: Ok, Miasma was a bit new and new tech tree (which was about time as everyone else has been using this for years). Still, the game feels more like a mod or expansion. Did CiV feel like CIV with a mod for 1 unit stacks and hexagonal tiles? 8/ AI was completely recoded... Diplomacy is different in what you can trade (science per turn), what you cannot trade (luxuries), etc. The virtue system was overhauled and is definitely different in how it functions than in CiV and is simpler (less) and adds more depth to your choices with the tier bonuses combined with the virtue bonuses. The tech web is completely day and night different from CiV and a vast improvement (although they need to get rid of get a free tech with the web as its much more powerful than with the old tech tree). You can terraform the land so to speak by adding the 2-2-2 improvement to any plot along with like 3 other new land forming options (domes, etc)...also get an option later that I guess you can put a farm on any tile for a 2-1-1-1 improvement. The entire orbital layer is new and nonexistent in CiV. Traderoutes were completely redone in how they function and how they are not safe even in peace (they will die to Miasma, aliens, etc) Building specialization decisions(quests) are not found in any other civ game giving much greater customization and focus in your empire building. Different units for different affinities requiring tech + affinity levels is a new concept and interestingly rewarding. This makes games even more different and unpredictable. The same leaders do not go down the same affinity path in each game either so its not as easy to predict when you have an opening or not to attack. The entire UI is different... Having miasma impact your workers, army, and opponents army adds choices to your tech, your unit specializations, and defense/offense abilities and especially combined with the miasma satellites that can spread it towards your opponent or remove it the same. Exploration is completely different...the tiles are dangerous. Espianage is completely redone and is pretty interesting for an early game option...by mid to late game you won't be able to do much of anything with it anymore other than steal energy and science. One get defectors mission netted me FIVE units from my opponent though... ----- Things that should have been done better that weren't: Aliens act like weird barbarians, not enough of a threat even when you win the transcendence victory where they are suppose to be agitated. You can get them to stay neutral (except the siege worms?) and you can get them to become friendly...both options to put random stuff between you and the enemy, but there should be more stronger aliens around for this to be interesting after the first 100 turns or something. The AI though completely rewritten doesn't seem any better strategically than in CiV although it did beat me to a science victory in the first game I played...by a few turns and there were 3 AIs that were all on the same pace as me. So at least they can science victory a bit better but as far as the rest of the AI not any better that I can see. Final cutscenes for game ends are abrupt and need a brief cinematic to make the ending seem on an epic scale with the game. Quite a few things don't have the normal Civ polish...I miss the narrations, etc. Its a fresh take on the Civ series in a different environment and I really am enjoying it. Traderoutes are WAY, WAY too powerful though. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
How the fuck do I capture cities, they are so strong, seems like I have to be 300% stronger than my opponent to take on a city. | ||
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