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On August 30 2014 03:10 rezoacken wrote:
Nobody knows. I don't like MP for that type of game anyway, it's way too slow and waiting for slow people turns isn't my cup of tea in a video game. That's why I don't play Heartstone too.
I'll play a boardgame having a real conversation if I'm gonna wait for them.
At least civ has simultaneous turns... but you still often have to wait and it makes wars stupid.
I tried watching someone streaming it once, it felt so slow. the only thing that is nice about civ mp is that you get challenged by a non-cheating ai so you get to see more diverse strats.
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Yeah, I don't wanna play Civilization (or other grand-strategy games like EU4) multiplayer, I want to be able to play this kind of games at my own pace
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Add me to the list of people who love to play 4x games at my own pace. That means playing it reallllllllllllllllllllly slowly on some turns where I just want to sit back and look at my empire's stats.
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what I dont get about these videos is:
1) why wouldnt Firaxis invite some of the best streamers to do the product placement instead of TotalBiscuit type players
2) why they limit them to 100 turns, especially since they are using the Civ5 engine with some changes. Do they really think some random who hasnt played Civ5 is going to buy this and so they have to build up the hype? Just respect your fan base.
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On September 05 2014 09:16 Sub40APM wrote:
what I dont get about these videos is:
1) why wouldnt Firaxis invite some of the best streamers to do the product placement instead of TotalBiscuit type players
2) why they limit them to 100 turns, especially since they are using the Civ5 engine with some changes. Do they really think some random who hasnt played Civ5 is going to buy this and so they have to build up the hype? Just respect your fan base.
1) because there building hype, Its not about perfect play its about getting people interested and for that you use major figures like TB.
2) Because they dont want to show off the entire game from start to finish? They want you to go find and discover that yourself
This isnt about respecting the fan base whatever that even means. These videos are not for the people who will buy the game regardless. They are for the people who are a little interested but not sure if they will get it yet.
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Bleh. I stopped when he said "I'm a great fan of the CIv series, played Civ V for 40-50 hours and a few hundred in Civ 3 & 4." I know why they invite these type of "Youtubers" (fucking hate that word) - brings in a shitload of numbers
But yeah I wish they would have let someone that actually played a bunch of Civ V as well :E
Feeling it's a Civ V reskinned at the moment, not sure how I feel about that yet.
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The thing is I dont expect them to show of all the stuff that is different from Civ 5. The tech tree, the conquer/co-exists however you call it mechanic. Those are the things they want players to find out on their own and not just all spoil. Thats also why they are limiting the number of turns being shown.
They don't want some pro that 10 people know showing off optimized build orders. They want hype and for that you use Youtubers ect.
When in doubt keep your money and wait for the player reviews to come in. Nothing new there.
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On September 05 2014 09:28 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Bleh. I stopped when he said "I'm a great fan of the CIv series, played Civ V for 40-50 hours and a few hundred in Civ 3 & 4." I know why they invite these type of "Youtubers" (fucking hate that word) - brings in a shitload of numbers
this is exactly how I felt.
An experienced Civ 5 player would be able to (a) contrast the game better with Civ 5 (b) bring in randoms by showing more interesting things, watching some guy get his worker killed by a barbarian in a turn based game is just irritating (c) I would love to see the numbers for people who will pick up the civ series in its 7th iterations vs people who followed the series since childhood. I am going to bet heavily that the second group of people make up the vast majority of Firaxis' income generating power.
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Just curious, but how many people here actually played (when they were out) the entirety of the Civ series? Civilization 1...I remember tedious cargo vans and road building and how it took a long time to figure the game out; I remember buying Civ 2 on release day (or close to it). And Alpha Centauri was my favorite of the group until Civ 4 I think...Civ 4 was probably better. Looking forward to this a ton. I miss the 5 advisor screen with the "let's do lunch" guy and how they would sometimes argue. 
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On September 05 2014 09:53 Eliezar wrote:Just curious, but how many people here actually played (when they were out) the entirety of the Civ series? Civilization 1...I remember tedious cargo vans and road building and how it took a long time to figure the game out; I remember buying Civ 2 on release day (or close to it). And Alpha Centauri was my favorite of the group until Civ 4 I think...Civ 4 was probably better. Looking forward to this a ton. I miss the 5 advisor screen with the "let's do lunch" guy and how they would sometimes argue.
i have, the only game where i wasnt hooked in completely was vanilla Civ5, never let a 22 year old with 0 game making experience be the lead designer!, and I think Civ3 but I dont remember why.
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I've played all of them. I how to play a lot of games by watching my brother so Civ 1 as a 6 year old wasn't so mind boggling.
I spent the most time playing Civ 2. Playing the game, making new scenarios and playing other scenarios.
Game was sick.
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On September 05 2014 10:07 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 09:53 Eliezar wrote:Just curious, but how many people here actually played (when they were out) the entirety of the Civ series? Civilization 1...I remember tedious cargo vans and road building and how it took a long time to figure the game out; I remember buying Civ 2 on release day (or close to it). And Alpha Centauri was my favorite of the group until Civ 4 I think...Civ 4 was probably better. Looking forward to this a ton. I miss the 5 advisor screen with the "let's do lunch" guy and how they would sometimes argue. i have, the only game where i wasnt hooked in completely was vanilla Civ5, never let a 22 year old with 0 game making experience be the lead designer!, and I think Civ3 but I dont remember why.
When I saw how much Civ V was missing from Civ IV I just waited until all the expos were out to buy it.
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On September 05 2014 10:17 Eliezar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 10:07 Sub40APM wrote:On September 05 2014 09:53 Eliezar wrote:Just curious, but how many people here actually played (when they were out) the entirety of the Civ series? Civilization 1...I remember tedious cargo vans and road building and how it took a long time to figure the game out; I remember buying Civ 2 on release day (or close to it). And Alpha Centauri was my favorite of the group until Civ 4 I think...Civ 4 was probably better. Looking forward to this a ton. I miss the 5 advisor screen with the "let's do lunch" guy and how they would sometimes argue. i have, the only game where i wasnt hooked in completely was vanilla Civ5, never let a 22 year old with 0 game making experience be the lead designer!, and I think Civ3 but I dont remember why. When I saw how much Civ V was missing from Civ IV I just waited until all the expos were out to buy it.
Yea, I definitely stopped playing Civ 5 completely after about 30 hours when it first came out but after God's and Kings and BNW I logged my money's worth !
But I have a weakness for certain game publishes like Firaxis and Paradox that generally I throw money at them without first reviewing the product.
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1) why wouldnt Firaxis invite some of the best streamers to do the product placement instead of TotalBiscuit type players
Because they want people with an actual audience.
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On September 05 2014 09:35 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 09:28 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Bleh. I stopped when he said "I'm a great fan of the CIv series, played Civ V for 40-50 hours and a few hundred in Civ 3 & 4." I know why they invite these type of "Youtubers" (fucking hate that word) - brings in a shitload of numbers
this is exactly how I felt. An experienced Civ 5 player would be able to (a) contrast the game better with Civ 5 (b) bring in randoms by showing more interesting things, watching some guy get his worker killed by a barbarian in a turn based game is just irritating (c) I would love to see the numbers for people who will pick up the civ series in its 7th iterations vs people who followed the series since childhood. I am going to bet heavily that the second group of people make up the vast majority of Firaxis' income generating power.
Statistics would disagree with you there. Hardcore gamers on sites like TL or any other gaming forum tend to believe that they are the majority, because they surround themselves with like-minded people, but the truth is much different. At least 80% of the people who buy this game (and, FWIW, even a lot of the people in the Civ V thread here) are casuals who will buy it on sale, or pick it up based on word of mouth hype, or who have played some Civ before but will probably only pump 10-20 hours into this one.
Anyway, it might be true that there are people who could show the game off better, but it's really more about viewer count than anything.
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On September 06 2014 09:09 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 09:35 Sub40APM wrote:On September 05 2014 09:28 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Bleh. I stopped when he said "I'm a great fan of the CIv series, played Civ V for 40-50 hours and a few hundred in Civ 3 & 4." I know why they invite these type of "Youtubers" (fucking hate that word) - brings in a shitload of numbers
this is exactly how I felt. An experienced Civ 5 player would be able to (a) contrast the game better with Civ 5 (b) bring in randoms by showing more interesting things, watching some guy get his worker killed by a barbarian in a turn based game is just irritating (c) I would love to see the numbers for people who will pick up the civ series in its 7th iterations vs people who followed the series since childhood. I am going to bet heavily that the second group of people make up the vast majority of Firaxis' income generating power. Statistics would disagree with you there.
You have statistics on who bought Civ5? I'd love to see them.
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On September 05 2014 09:16 Sub40APM wrote:
what I dont get about these videos is:
1) why wouldnt Firaxis invite some of the best streamers to do the product placement instead of TotalBiscuit type players
2) why they limit them to 100 turns, especially since they are using the Civ5 engine with some changes. Do they really think some random who hasnt played Civ5 is going to buy this and so they have to build up the hype? Just respect your fan base.
2) If this plays like Civ5, 100 turns is what it takes to know if you successfully pulled off your 4-city tradition opener or not. Game is pretty much over at that point.
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