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Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 04 2014 17:09 GMT
#6081
On December 05 2014 02:06 Teoita wrote:
Find a guild wtf, why waste time with pugs


Don't have time to actually do normal raids; I'm busy in the evenings. Blizzard made a lot of changes this expansion in order to make pugging better, but unfortunately it seems like the playbase itself still makes it terrible.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 17:11:20
December 04 2014 17:10 GMT
#6082
Don't have time to actually do normal raids


Don't have 2 hours per week? :0

If you don't have time, then you don't have to bother - you are why LFR exists.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 04 2014 17:19 GMT
#6083
On December 05 2014 02:10 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Don't have time to actually do normal raids


Don't have 2 hours per week? :0

If you don't have time, then you don't have to bother - you are why LFR exists.


I have plenty of time to play during the week; just not evenings, which is when basically every guild out there raids. If my time frees up I'll just go back to Midwinter, but it's unlikely that I can free up my evenings. If you can find me a top 100 guild that raids in the mornings, I'm all ears. I've had no such luck in my searches.
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Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
December 04 2014 17:23 GMT
#6084
Anyone wanna run some hc dungeon achievements in about 6 hours on eu horde?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22577 Posts
December 04 2014 17:35 GMT
#6085
On December 05 2014 02:02 Serejai wrote:
Oh well, will figure it out if it happens again.

It's pretty damn impossible to find a normal group, though, when they all want 650+ ilvl for the first boss. I think I've spent about four hours this morning just refreshing the raid finder. I don't think people realize that Normal is Flex, and they still think it's actually the normal raiding mode (which is now Heroic).

And this surprises you? Pugs are almost never looking for people who are geared for the content, they want people who overgear so they dont have to pay attention to most of the (already ignorable) mechanics and just derp it down.

This is no different from the MoP flex pugs who were looking for players with full heroic(now mythic) gear.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 04 2014 17:42 GMT
#6086
I wouldn't say I'm surprised by it, but it's two days after the raid came out. How many people with 650+ ilvl are looking to run pugs right now? Probably very, very few and I'm seeing the same groups sit in the group finder for hours on end trying to fill.

I was hoping Normals would be more laid back, and all the ilvl bullshit would be in Heroics instead.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 04 2014 17:44 GMT
#6087
Is fire still based around crit?(was this way in Cata I believe) aka do nothing for the first 2 tiers and then snowball the fuck out of control.
WriterXiao8~~
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
December 04 2014 17:45 GMT
#6088
There is a talent that increases your chances to crit each time you don't, so it's a bit less RNG, but it's still very dependant on crit yes :< Fire DPS dramatically increases on sims at you gear up, but it's still the worst spec apparently..
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
December 04 2014 17:45 GMT
#6089
On December 05 2014 02:42 Serejai wrote:
I wouldn't say I'm surprised by it, but it's two days after the raid came out. How many people with 650+ ilvl are looking to run pugs right now? Probably very, very few and I'm seeing the same groups sit in the group finder for hours on end trying to fill.

I was hoping Normals would be more laid back, and all the ilvl bullshit would be in Heroics instead.


It will probably be more laid back with time, but on day two of a new raid opening, it's mostly rather hardcore people playing.
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
December 04 2014 17:47 GMT
#6090
On December 05 2014 02:44 Kipsate wrote:
Is fire still based around crit?(was this way in Cata I believe) aka do nothing for the first 2 tiers and then snowball the fuck out of control.


Yes

On December 05 2014 02:42 Serejai wrote:
I wouldn't say I'm surprised by it, but it's two days after the raid came out. How many people with 650+ ilvl are looking to run pugs right now? Probably very, very few and I'm seeing the same groups sit in the group finder for hours on end trying to fill.

I was hoping Normals would be more laid back, and all the ilvl bullshit would be in Heroics instead.


Come on, you should know better. The one great constant in WoW is that pugs are terrible and usually a waste of time, the only exception potentially being joining guild runs that need a couple extra people. Good luck with that as dps though.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 17:51:31
December 04 2014 17:49 GMT
#6091
The only ones with ''acceptable'' ilevel reqs are healers either way. As a dps you are simply one of many.
WriterXiao8~~
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
December 04 2014 17:56 GMT
#6092
On December 05 2014 02:45 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2014 02:42 Serejai wrote:
I wouldn't say I'm surprised by it, but it's two days after the raid came out. How many people with 650+ ilvl are looking to run pugs right now? Probably very, very few and I'm seeing the same groups sit in the group finder for hours on end trying to fill.

I was hoping Normals would be more laid back, and all the ilvl bullshit would be in Heroics instead.


It will probably be more laid back with time, but on day two of a new raid opening, it's mostly rather hardcore people playing.


Hardcore people expect others to not be retarded and avoid mechanics, they dont try to get carried by overgeared groups
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 18:18:01
December 04 2014 18:17 GMT
#6093
Honestly, I ran 4 pugs and Tectus killed them all. Out of all of the groups, only 1 person (WW monk) managed to consistently beat me in boss DPS while I was playing Affliction at 632 ilvl, and I was normally at least 2k above the nearest person. This indicates to me that there are plenty of raiders who grew up on SoO 8 months after it had been out and have no idea how to confront new content or learn their class over for a new expansion.

It was also ridiculous that people were requiring 635-640 for a lot of normal groups. I sneaked into one and the guy said on vent "make sure we have 640 at least" until I reminded him I was destroying their DPS meters as a 632. The sad part is that my old guild on Doomhammer died and the one I joined is full of casual raiders who can't agree on a time to get together (misrepresented how together they were before I joined, but they're pretty nice people). The only Horde side guild with any sort of pedigree on this server isn't recruiting DPS either, so it looks like I'm stuck for now.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 04 2014 18:31 GMT
#6094
Yeah, my first group this morning wanted 640 and I snuck in. One person called me out on my ilvl but thankfully the raid leader was intelligent enough to notice I was #2 on the meters, and ended up booting the guy that called me out (he was 642 and doing dead last).

It's damn near impossible to find a guild that raids mornings, so I may attempt to piece together a cross server guild or something.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
December 04 2014 18:35 GMT
#6095
1shot first boss, i did 17k, still learning unholy
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
December 04 2014 18:39 GMT
#6096
Tectus is a great fight, good luck doing that shit in a pug though.
rip
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
December 04 2014 18:51 GMT
#6097
First and second bosses are faceroll in normal, no idea how you could ever wipe on them
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
December 04 2014 18:55 GMT
#6098
lol tectus enrage timer pushed back to fuckin 10 minutes gg casuals
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
December 04 2014 18:58 GMT
#6099
The healers in bad pugs will be oom by then anyway
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 04 2014 19:00 GMT
#6100
On December 05 2014 03:51 Teoita wrote:
First and second bosses are faceroll in normal, no idea how you could ever wipe on them


Please tell that to the groups I've gotten this morning, lol. Just left a Butcher group after 90 minutes (three total attempts). Had 6 DPS doing under 10k, including a Monk doing 5k and a Mage doing 7k (both 640+ ilvl). Still trying to figure out the Monk - he wasn't just autoattacking like I thought, but was doing a rotation. It clearly wasn't the correct one, but considering I can do 5k just spamming one button, and Monks are really, really good at DPS right now... I have no idea what the hell he was attempting to do.

When I called him out on it he linked the trash meters (where he was pulling 11k) and then ragequit. It was amusing.
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