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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 04 2014 08:23 GMT
#6061
Arms is like playing whack-a-mole in slow motion. It's boring, uneventful and completely subject to the whims of sudden death. I know they were trying to get back to the original feel of the spec, but there is one problem with that idea - the original spec sucked. It was just awful to play, and this iteration of arms is just as bad,
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
December 04 2014 08:38 GMT
#6062
6/7 in ~2 hours. 30 minutes wasted on the rock retard cuz stacking on a marked guy, running left when called and running right with fire is hard. everything else first or second try.

pulled last boss a few times, didnt have the dps to get through the first intermission cleanly, called it a day

fights are okay i guess, bit boring as melee dps. although im glad, its the first content in 10 years i ever melee dps'd (got a guaranteed mythic raidspot out of it so...). as melee you just tunnel the boss on every single fight. im atleast a bit happy that i get to be the flamethrower guy on that fungus boss. ranges have lots of shit to do though. running a lot, many target swaps, debuff management... kinda glad im not playing my warlock right now. im too old for this shit.

got a neck from droz, got the weapon from the bubble/orb boss (sixth). no excuse to not do dps anymore =(
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51470 Posts
December 04 2014 08:57 GMT
#6063
3/7 heroic after our first raid, got 79th kill in EU/NA on heroic Tectus though haha, how i don't know

http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/eu/draenor
Guild is empire strikes first!

The butcher was actually more a difficult fight for us than tectus, tectus very simple really if you can WASDa anyway

got 99th best mage logs haha :w
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 09:18:45
December 04 2014 09:18 GMT
#6064
On December 04 2014 16:55 FinestHour wrote:
from what ive seen arms is pretty good lol


Should get buffed, glad overrated!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
DCRed
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland435 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 09:36:40
December 04 2014 09:32 GMT
#6065
On December 04 2014 09:17 Kipsate wrote:
Speaking of which, how do you feel about PI vs Shadow Insight VS Twisted fate? PI is always a strong solid choice, Twisted fate seems to be quite of use when there are adds and Shadow Insight I am unsure about. Seems to suck with CoP dotweaving


SI is currently useless. PI can be used on Kargath and Butcher, as always, the length of the fight determines the strength of PI a lot but in a single target fight where you've around 30% ToF uptime PI is a valid choice.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 04 2014 11:18 GMT
#6066
On December 04 2014 17:06 Kipsate wrote:
From all I heard is that both fury and Arms are boring and relatively mediocre, Glad stance is stronger.

No downtime on glad makes it pretty great too imo.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 04 2014 15:36 GMT
#6067
When I come back to read everyone's progress here, I feel like I'm so far behind on everything lol
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34486 Posts
December 04 2014 15:36 GMT
#6068
I haven't stepped into raids either dw.

Farvacola can you add me Firebolt145#2418
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 04 2014 15:38 GMT
#6069
I was not expecting Shadowmoon Burial Grounds to be that difficult. You actually had to pay attention on bosses, this ain't Cata dungeons.
It's your boy Guzma!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
December 04 2014 15:44 GMT
#6070
On December 05 2014 00:38 Requizen wrote:
I was not expecting Shadowmoon Burial Grounds to be that difficult. You actually had to pay attention on bosses, this ain't Cata dungeons.


Burial grounds launch HC was easier than quite a few cata launch HC's IMO
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 04 2014 15:47 GMT
#6071
On December 05 2014 00:44 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2014 00:38 Requizen wrote:
I was not expecting Shadowmoon Burial Grounds to be that difficult. You actually had to pay attention on bosses, this ain't Cata dungeons.


Burial grounds launch HC was easier than quite a few cata launch HC's IMO


Absolutely, at launch Cata heroics were way harder than these (assuming ~610 ilvl now)
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 04 2014 15:55 GMT
#6072
Data is a lot different then sims(well duh, kinda expected)

Mages and warriors are doing quite a bit better then I expected initially.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 15:56:32
December 04 2014 15:55 GMT
#6073
I just find the comparison to cata funny because i think for heroic difficulty..

TBC > Cata/WOD > WOTLK >>> Pandaria

Didn't actually run Panda 5-man hc's, but i got to the dungeons post-stat-squish, and at appropriate level, they were literally soloable on my death knight without much trouble (who had no raid gear) and i heard lots of complaints for it being the easiest expansion (short of mythic raids)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 16:18:11
December 04 2014 16:04 GMT
#6074
On December 05 2014 00:55 Kipsate wrote:
Data is a lot different then sims(well duh, kinda expected)

Mages and warriors are doing quite a bit better then I expected initially.


Frost was always going to do decently, even according to sims. It's actually an ok spec performance wise, just frustrating to play since it's so bursty and tied to cd's, plus none likes the fact that it's the only viable choice for, well, everything.

Fire and Arcane aren't viable compared to Frost because either they don't do any damage (fire) or aren't mobile enough (arcane), which was also easily predictable.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/6#difficulty=4&dataset=100
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/6#difficulty=3&dataset=100

I'm actually very impressed by the ~400 brave souls that had the balls to show up in a raid in fire spec, doing 70% dps of everyone else at best. Takes balls to do that.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 04 2014 16:15 GMT
#6075
On December 05 2014 00:47 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2014 00:44 Cyro wrote:
On December 05 2014 00:38 Requizen wrote:
I was not expecting Shadowmoon Burial Grounds to be that difficult. You actually had to pay attention on bosses, this ain't Cata dungeons.


Burial grounds launch HC was easier than quite a few cata launch HC's IMO


Absolutely, at launch Cata heroics were way harder than these (assuming ~610 ilvl now)

Stonecore HC at launch with appropriate gear was harder than some raids, at least if you count LFR.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 16:28:27
December 04 2014 16:26 GMT
#6076
Is there some mechanic on the first boss that causes him to take reduced damage? I was barely able to pull 12k when I attempted him earlier (and was #2 DPS in our raid). This concerns me because most Moonkins are doing 20k+ easy on this fight in my gear level, and I pull 12k on a training dummy without raid buffs. The fact that everyone in the raid was doing really low damage (10k-13k) leads me to believe something wasn't functioning properly, but I have no idea what.

The log was also corrupted when I tried to upload it to WCL, which further suggests something wasn't working properly during the fight.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 04 2014 16:30 GMT
#6077
Not that i'm aware of
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 04 2014 17:02 GMT
#6078
Oh well, will figure it out if it happens again.

It's pretty damn impossible to find a normal group, though, when they all want 650+ ilvl for the first boss. I think I've spent about four hours this morning just refreshing the raid finder. I don't think people realize that Normal is Flex, and they still think it's actually the normal raiding mode (which is now Heroic).
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
December 04 2014 17:06 GMT
#6079
People generally don't want to pug people who don't have a guild and have not done the content before to get any gear for it (unless you have something like a bunch of cm silvers and maybe a few boe's to show for yourself)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 04 2014 17:06 GMT
#6080
Find a guild wtf, why waste time with pugs
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
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