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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10133 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 07:01:10
October 31 2014 06:49 GMT
#4201
You guys are speaking in the vacuum that gold sellers wouldn't exist, but they do, so the price (which will be decided by the players) won't go much far away than gold sellers price. The "rich" can get as much gold as they want already by gold farmers.

So what the plex system does is it gives people the option to choose a safe legit way to trade real money cash for gold, or they can stick to the gold farmers, people prefer the safer, even if they have a bit more, but not if the difference is too big.

And of course it does nothing to stop inflation. It is about the gold farmers, not economy.
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
October 31 2014 10:57 GMT
#4202
I know this might be a little too late, but I'm trying to host a Mythic Siege run tonight around 19:30 EU server time. I'm mainly looking for people who know basic tactics for normal/hc, have decent gear (say... 550-560 or so) and patience. Feel free to add me. + Show Spoiler +
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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 31 2014 13:48 GMT
#4203
On October 31 2014 15:49 Godwrath wrote:
You guys are speaking in the vacuum that gold sellers wouldn't exist, but they do, so the price (which will be decided by the players) won't go much far away than gold sellers price. The "rich" can get as much gold as they want already by gold farmers.

So what the plex system does is it gives people the option to choose a safe legit way to trade real money cash for gold, or they can stick to the gold farmers, people prefer the safer, even if they have a bit more, but not if the difference is too big.

And of course it does nothing to stop inflation. It is about the gold farmers, not economy.

Because we saw how well that worked out for Diablo 3.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10133 Posts
October 31 2014 14:05 GMT
#4204
On October 31 2014 22:48 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 15:49 Godwrath wrote:
You guys are speaking in the vacuum that gold sellers wouldn't exist, but they do, so the price (which will be decided by the players) won't go much far away than gold sellers price. The "rich" can get as much gold as they want already by gold farmers.

So what the plex system does is it gives people the option to choose a safe legit way to trade real money cash for gold, or they can stick to the gold farmers, people prefer the safer, even if they have a bit more, but not if the difference is too big.

And of course it does nothing to stop inflation. It is about the gold farmers, not economy.

Because we saw how well that worked out for Diablo 3.

It's not even remotely the same.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
October 31 2014 15:39 GMT
#4205
I don't even understand where the comparison comes from, honestly.
On track to MA1950A.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34498 Posts
October 31 2014 19:58 GMT
#4206
So I'm almost 90. What do I do
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21994 Posts
October 31 2014 20:25 GMT
#4207
On November 01 2014 04:58 Firebolt145 wrote:
So I'm almost 90. What do I do

once your 90 go to the Timeless Isle.
while your flying there go look up the guide on Wowhead or somesuch place. Get all the chests and kill one of the Celestial world bosses at the center square. (note that one chest hard to reach without the cloak.

This should get you a full set of gear and some rings/neck/cloak.

Then you can try a SoO LFR if you have the ilvl for it and otherwise you might need to do the previous tier for some stuff.

And other then that you wait 2 weeks to WoD :p
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
October 31 2014 21:24 GMT
#4208
On November 01 2014 04:58 Firebolt145 wrote:
So I'm almost 90. What do I do


are you playing on NA or EU
ffxiv enjoyer
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 31 2014 21:26 GMT
#4209
On November 01 2014 04:58 Firebolt145 wrote:
So I'm almost 90. What do I do


On October 14 2014 02:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
? I'm not playing WoW

thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
October 31 2014 21:31 GMT
#4210
Lol busted
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
October 31 2014 21:48 GMT
#4211
On October 31 2014 15:43 deth2munkies wrote:
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On October 31 2014 15:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
On October 31 2014 14:33 aksfjh wrote:
On October 31 2014 14:23 deth2munkies wrote:
On October 31 2014 14:13 aksfjh wrote:
Gold for game time is different than that, m4ini. It actually has a MASSIVE anti-inflationary effect. In order to make it work properly, it wouldn't be able how much gold people have, but how fast they can obtain gold. There's a large stockpile of gold because of how late we are in an expansion and how little gold matters IRL. People essentially don't have anything to spend gold on at vendors, which means it piles up as people sell crap to vendors.

If you create a massive gold sink that has persistent high value, then you'll get a lot of deflationary pressure. This pressure reverberates into the AH, bringing down mat buy/sell prices as more gold is sucked out of the system, making it harder to accumulate the large amounts you need for extra game time.

The only equalizing effect it has is that it gives a valuable sink for the gold rich players to throw their money into.


The problem is the model they're suggesting doesn't let you directly buy game time for gold, you buy it for money and it's BoU rather than BoP, as in you can trade it.

This basically means that it does nothing to stop inflation, it just makes the people who spend the most RL money very, very rich in-game.

If they let you directly spend gold on it, WoW's profits would tank because the most hardcore players (that keep the game sub numbers up by both being a solid demographic and inspiring more casual people to continue playing for raiding/PvP) will never pay a sub again, and people that illicitly buy gold (probably at a discounted value to the relative value of a WoW sub) will be able to play without giving a dime to Blizzard as well.

That's not to mention the huge gold reserves that will make it so that nearly everyone gets at least a free month.

Oh, never mind then. That's a stupid model of P2W if I ever saw it.

Worked great for EVE and Wildstar.


Because they had it at launch (or relatively near) and built around it. WoW's been out for a decade, adding it now would do more harm than good.

I think there was more potential harm in wildstar than I see in wow. Gold was important for gearing up for raiding in wildstar. They messed up their itemization and a lot of BoE stuff was optimal. The equivalent to gemming/enchanting/upgrading was actually expensive, not a given like it is in WoW.

In WoD, people can provide for themselves without even going out of their way to farm. Being super rich might give a small competitive benefit at the start, but ultimately being rich in WoW is for cosmetic stuff and for carries. I don't see why competitive people would care about gold sales being legitimized. What important benefits is a Mythic raiding guild missing out on by not being super rich? What important benefits are rank 1 arena players missing out on? Maybe I'm missing something.

I think WoW has already built around this mechanic because a copy of it exists on the black market and they couldn't get rid of it. They already built a game where extra gold doesn't really matter. You get the gold you need in the process of doing things you want to do anyway. I think boosts are probably more harmful than selling gold because having max level alts can actually be very helpful.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34498 Posts
October 31 2014 21:57 GMT
#4212
On November 01 2014 06:26 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 04:58 Firebolt145 wrote:
So I'm almost 90. What do I do


Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 02:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
? I'm not playing WoW


I subbed yesterday, I was already 88 so it didn't take long.

Anyway I'm playing NA. Currently on Jubei'thos but might be transferring to Tichondrius Horde.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 31 2014 23:30 GMT
#4213
whats ur realid
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10133 Posts
October 31 2014 23:36 GMT
#4214
White dudes beating korean dudes at blizzcon. Oh right, it's WoW ;D
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 01:31:19
November 01 2014 01:25 GMT
#4215
On November 01 2014 06:57 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 06:26 FinestHour wrote:
On November 01 2014 04:58 Firebolt145 wrote:
So I'm almost 90. What do I do


On October 14 2014 02:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
? I'm not playing WoW


I subbed yesterday, I was already 88 so it didn't take long.

Anyway I'm playing NA. Currently on Jubei'thos but might be transferring to Tichondrius Horde.


I wouldn't bother with Tich Horde, if the reason is what I think it is (all the big time pvp guys playing there). Word on the street is, everyone is going Alliance in WoD due to overall slightly better racials.

On November 01 2014 08:36 Godwrath wrote:
White dudes beating korean dudes at blizzcon. Oh right, it's WoW ;D


Comp matters more than anything else. Back in the day, Orangemarm's RMP could definitely outplay comps that were favored.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 01 2014 01:41 GMT
#4216
LEGENDARY 1v2
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34498 Posts
November 01 2014 07:57 GMT
#4217
On November 01 2014 10:25 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 06:57 Firebolt145 wrote:
On November 01 2014 06:26 FinestHour wrote:
On November 01 2014 04:58 Firebolt145 wrote:
So I'm almost 90. What do I do


On October 14 2014 02:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
? I'm not playing WoW


I subbed yesterday, I was already 88 so it didn't take long.

Anyway I'm playing NA. Currently on Jubei'thos but might be transferring to Tichondrius Horde.


I wouldn't bother with Tich Horde, if the reason is what I think it is (all the big time pvp guys playing there). Word on the street is, everyone is going Alliance in WoD due to overall slightly better racials.

Yeah that was the reason. Well, I'll still move to Tich then, just undecided whether to go Alliance or Horde.
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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
November 01 2014 09:25 GMT
#4218
On November 01 2014 16:57 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 10:25 Qaatar wrote:
On November 01 2014 06:57 Firebolt145 wrote:
On November 01 2014 06:26 FinestHour wrote:
On November 01 2014 04:58 Firebolt145 wrote:
So I'm almost 90. What do I do


On October 14 2014 02:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
? I'm not playing WoW


I subbed yesterday, I was already 88 so it didn't take long.

Anyway I'm playing NA. Currently on Jubei'thos but might be transferring to Tichondrius Horde.


I wouldn't bother with Tich Horde, if the reason is what I think it is (all the big time pvp guys playing there). Word on the street is, everyone is going Alliance in WoD due to overall slightly better racials.

Yeah that was the reason. Well, I'll still move to Tich then, just undecided whether to go Alliance or Horde.


w-w-why won't you tell us your battletag

I'm guessing you're moving because aus servers killed your ping completely.
ffxiv enjoyer
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34498 Posts
November 01 2014 09:27 GMT
#4219
Firebolt145#2418

And yes. 320 ping not fun. I think I get ~150-160 on Tich which is fine.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 01 2014 09:59 GMT
#4220
On November 01 2014 18:25 Stancel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 16:57 Firebolt145 wrote:
On November 01 2014 10:25 Qaatar wrote:
On November 01 2014 06:57 Firebolt145 wrote:
On November 01 2014 06:26 FinestHour wrote:
On November 01 2014 04:58 Firebolt145 wrote:
So I'm almost 90. What do I do


On October 14 2014 02:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
? I'm not playing WoW


I subbed yesterday, I was already 88 so it didn't take long.

Anyway I'm playing NA. Currently on Jubei'thos but might be transferring to Tichondrius Horde.


I wouldn't bother with Tich Horde, if the reason is what I think it is (all the big time pvp guys playing there). Word on the street is, everyone is going Alliance in WoD due to overall slightly better racials.

Yeah that was the reason. Well, I'll still move to Tich then, just undecided whether to go Alliance or Horde.


w-w-why won't you tell us your battletag

I'm guessing you're moving because aus servers killed your ping completely.

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