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WombaT
Northern Ireland26301 Posts
On March 15 2025 21:48 htrhgftre wrote: Tasteless and Artosis just aint cutting it. Isnt it odd that they really dont want have anything to do with this community? What? :S They’re many things, they’re not a world champion tier player of their games, nor even close. They’re also not big variety streamers either. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1867 Posts
On March 15 2025 21:48 htrhgftre wrote: Tasteless and Artosis just aint cutting it. Isnt it odd that they really dont want have anything to do with this community? They don't do much SC2 but I think they still involved with SC1 | ||
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Highgamer
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CicadaSC
United States1867 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On March 15 2025 21:37 Highgamer wrote: It's really a great fun to watch, definitelly if you played or watched way back when but I would assume even for newbies. Obviously there are moments where the big skill gaps are showing in a sad way (but then again they allow for big upsets), and some casts are less entertaining than others. But overall it's a great show and great to see (western) WC3 blossoming once again, at least for this tournament. Kinda makes you envious that we don't have a figure such as Grubby for the non-KR Broodwar-community, like just a bro who is a good teacher/preacher for the game - but also happens to be a multiple times world champion and "big" variety streamer that can draw in a crowd from other games. I think that's definitely Artosis. He's not a world champion, but he's a knowledgeable player who keeps up with the evolving metagame at the pro level, and he's been promoting community events such as BSL and local LANs, as well as community-driven platforms like ShieldBattery, for years. He lives and breathes BW although I think he sometimes gets in the weeds about how difficult the game is to learn - Grubby is taking almost the opposite approach where he is aware the game is hard, but also showing that it's only as hard as you make it. Recent hugely successful collaborations in Street Fighter 6 have done the same thing: general outreach by having high-level tournament players coach variety streamers in these Cooperation Cup events, culminating in 5v5 team battles in a wider tournament format. It's a winning formula: you introduce new players to your game, show them the basics and let them run free, and provide more in-depth coaching sessions to the players who have the drive to push themselves harder. | ||
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Highgamer
1448 Posts
For this to happen for BW I think it would need at least a viewer-/player-fusion of the BW and SC2 community (just like WC3 and WoW and some from DotA, etc.), and something like the more family-friendly and welcoming yet humorous approach just like Grubby brings with his stream's vibe, but at the same time just enough professionalism, seriousness and competitiveness to make it meaningful. But most importantly that towering western BW-personality to pull it of who we lack, so... fat chance. In fact Grubby said he thinks a similar journey for BW sounded interesting to him, but I'm not sure it would work out the same way because it's not his main game. His undisputed authority and almost omniscience concerning WC3 as a former world champion gave that whole undertaking such a solid foundation. And it's not even clear how it will go on with WC3, how many newly interested people will actually still play in a few months. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7094 Posts
On March 15 2025 21:37 Highgamer wrote: It's really a great fun to watch, definitelly if you played or watched way back when but I would assume even for newbies. Obviously there are moments where the big skill gaps are showing in a sad way (but then again they allow for big upsets), and some casts are less entertaining than others. But overall it's a great show and great to see (western) WC3 blossoming once again, at least for this tournament. Kinda makes you envious that we don't have a figure such as Grubby for the non-KR Broodwar-community, like just a bro who is a good teacher/preacher for the game - but also happens to be a multiple times world champion and "big" variety streamer that can draw in a crowd from other games. Grubby did a Heroes of the Storm stream the other day. Kinda a "way back to the top" series and had about 7k+ viewers. That is incredible. Not even an event or something. Just him randomly goofing some Storm League games | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5224 Posts
- Credibility; past results and current skill - Fun/engaging; ever evolving and learning - Fluent in English; able to articulate his thoughts in an easy to understand way (while playing) - Great streaming hours - Humble and (family) friendly - Proper YouTube channel Day[9] and MrLlamaSC are very similar. They also have skill and can articulate themselves well. I'd say Grubby just has more credibility, has been doing this for a loooong ass time, and is very open to engaging with other communities, I'd say >50% of his regulars don't give a fuck what game he plays, same goes for Day[9] and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same for MrLlamaSC. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1867 Posts
On March 18 2025 18:37 Harris1st wrote: Grubby did a Heroes of the Storm stream the other day. Kinda a "way back to the top" series and had about 7k+ viewers. That is incredible. Not even an event or something. Just him randomly goofing some Storm League games Seems like a bit of a missed opportunity imo. He had a lot of viewers checking out his stream from all the collabs and the moment the tournament is over he streams a game that, no offense, no one really cares about. Either more warcraft, wow, or popular variety games wouldve been best imo. But I guess he's just doing what's fun for him and doesn't care much about viewership so all the power to him. I don't expect 7k to be a consistent metric you can hit streaming heroes of the storm for the long term. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7094 Posts
On March 19 2025 09:49 CicadaSC wrote: Seems like a bit of a missed opportunity imo. He had a lot of viewers checking out his stream from all the collabs and the moment the tournament is over he streams a game that, no offense, no one really cares about. Either more warcraft, wow, or popular variety games wouldve been best imo. But I guess he's just doing what's fun for him and doesn't care much about viewership so all the power to him. I don't expect 7k to be a consistent metric you can hit streaming heroes of the storm for the long term. He started getting back into Heroes a few weeks back. Dunno how much connection there is to the other stuff (WoW guys), but I think you are forgetting there is a looooooot of heroes and Warcraft related lore in there. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2646 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On March 26 2025 07:14 Fleetfeet wrote: Haven't had a chance to go through them myself, but anyone got any kneejerk reactions to the PTR patch? Tauren Resistant Skin is transformatively enormous. (note this is not working on the PTR yet) Web tier 1 is enormous. Magic immune Wards are enormous. Militia Armor nerf and Defend nerf are big. Vampiric Potion as a level 2 drop is big. Rune of Lesser Healing as a level 2 drop is big. Ritual Dagger having only 1 charge is big. Spiked Carapace nearly doubling in reflect damage is big. Wand of Negation doubling in charges is big. Wind Riders being worth 60 xp instead of 85 is notable. Siphon Mana reduced range and break distance is notable. Great Hall -15s build time is notable. Pretty much everything else seemed within acceptable bounds to me, but those big/enormous changes are tremendously significant and should shake the game up a lot. But this is also just the first pass of the PTR so we'll probably see future iterations that scale back some of the really huge stuff. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1867 Posts
On March 26 2025 07:27 Excalibur_Z wrote: Tauren Resistant Skin is transformatively enormous. (note this is not working on the PTR yet) Web tier 1 is enormous. Magic immune Wards are enormous. Militia Armor nerf and Defend nerf are big. Vampiric Potion as a level 2 drop is big. Rune of Lesser Healing as a level 2 drop is big. Ritual Dagger having only 1 charge is big. Spiked Carapace nearly doubling in reflect damage is big. Wand of Negation doubling in charges is big. Wind Riders being worth 60 xp instead of 85 is notable. Siphon Mana reduced range and break distance is notable. Great Hall -15s build time is notable. Pretty much everything else seemed within acceptable bounds to me, but those big/enormous changes are tremendously significant and should shake the game up a lot. But this is also just the first pass of the PTR so we'll probably see future iterations that scale back some of the really huge stuff. Can I ask what your rating is on W3C? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
I haven't played 1v1 in 23 years. Maybe soon though, time permitting I'd like to try it out. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2646 Posts
On March 26 2025 07:27 Excalibur_Z wrote: Tauren Resistant Skin is transformatively enormous. (note this is not working on the PTR yet) Web tier 1 is enormous. Magic immune Wards are enormous. Militia Armor nerf and Defend nerf are big. Vampiric Potion as a level 2 drop is big. Rune of Lesser Healing as a level 2 drop is big. Ritual Dagger having only 1 charge is big. Spiked Carapace nearly doubling in reflect damage is big. Wand of Negation doubling in charges is big. Wind Riders being worth 60 xp instead of 85 is notable. Siphon Mana reduced range and break distance is notable. Great Hall -15s build time is notable. Pretty much everything else seemed within acceptable bounds to me, but those big/enormous changes are tremendously significant and should shake the game up a lot. But this is also just the first pass of the PTR so we'll probably see future iterations that scale back some of the really huge stuff. Thanks! Curious to see some people test things out and what survives the shakes. I can't imagine vamp potion survives as-is. | ||
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cha0
Canada508 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
8 streamers/players with backgrounds in different RTS games have been invited: TommyKay(HU) T90 (HU) Lowko(NE) Lacari(NE) Tasteless(UD) Turin(UD) RedPanda(ORC) TheViper(ORC) | ||
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