EPTBut as it stands, both of these heroes can take quite a beating, deal a lot of damage and also have access to escape abilities in the form of Wind Walk and Evasion. It's too much, and it's especially effective against creeps which leads to ridiculous situation of a BM+1 grunt creeping an orange or a red, or a DH soloing spots, etc.
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
But as it stands, both of these heroes can take quite a beating, deal a lot of damage and also have access to escape abilities in the form of Wind Walk and Evasion. It's too much, and it's especially effective against creeps which leads to ridiculous situation of a BM+1 grunt creeping an orange or a red, or a DH soloing spots, etc. | ||
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mrwhite-
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http://wiki.teamliquid.net/warcraft/Agility I think, your suggestion might be a bit too gamebreaking, so I would love the see more changes to creeps/items. But I think, we might not agree 100% on the direction balances should take Warcraft 3. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 15 2017 20:54 Spaylz wrote: I think it comes back to my suggestion of reducing armor and armor gain for agility heroes. The damage output of the BM would be "forgivable" if he were more fragile; the same goes for the DH. But as it stands, both of these heroes can take quite a beating, deal a lot of damage and also have access to escape abilities in the form of Wind Walk and Evasion. It's too much, and it's especially effective against creeps which leads to ridiculous situation of a BM+1 grunt creeping an orange or a red, or a DH soloing spots, etc. This is well argued. I think a lot of my logic regarding what to do about DH/BM is based around the fact that both heroes are essentially invincible at key parts of the game. Moonwells and salves certainly play a role though. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10990 Posts
The damn near forced first Hero for most races in most MU's is one of the truely sad things in WC3. | ||
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schmitty9800
United States390 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On May 15 2017 22:50 mrwhite- wrote: In that case it would also be a nerf to other agility heroes including Dark Ranger, Fire Lord, and Potm. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/warcraft/Agility I think, your suggestion might be a bit too gamebreaking, so I would love the see more changes to creeps/items. But I think, we might not agree 100% on the direction balances should take Warcraft 3. Good point. I think a solution then would be to either limit those changes to the BM and DH, reducing their overall armor for each level without applying the change to every single agility hero, or to buff the other heroes somehow. Perhaps make the Fire Lord move faster, increase mana gain for the DR, etc... But I think the simplest solution would be to focus the changes on the DH and BM, as they really are the most problematic. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On May 16 2017 11:47 Amarok wrote: You could compensate a nerf to AGI armor gain with a buff to AGI Atk Speed gain. That would benefit ranged AGI heroes like DR/FL/POTM while nerfing the melee ones. Wouldn't that make the BM and DH atrociously OP, even with less armor? They would attack super fast and we'd see more crits than ever. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On May 16 2017 14:45 Spaylz wrote: Wouldn't that make the BM and DH atrociously OP, even with less armor? They would attack super fast and we'd see more crits than ever. I mean it would all depend on the numbers but I was thinking in MOBA terms where AS is generally more valuable on ranged heroes as they're less likely to be kited. I can't recall if there are base attack speed/armor values in WC3 but if there is that might be a better place to start (lowering BM/DH base values, raising the others) I think Crit in general is a prime target for balance tweaking anyway. My suggestion was independent of that. | ||
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CrymeaTerran
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The game needs no balance, the maps need the balance and the creep spots. | ||
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mrwhite-
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https://www.reddit.com/r/WC3/comments/4a5ixb/facts_hero_attributes/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WC3/comments/455l7c/interesting_facts_which_heroes_do_the_most/ I find that the base strength, agility and intelligence is too high on heroes like Demon Hunter and Blademaster, since they also have useful spells. | ||
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B2W.Neo
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On May 14 2017 18:44 lestye wrote: I don't know how to consolidate my thoughts on Happy. I don't think I'm aware of any scene where the scene is dominated by someone with so little motivation and aspiration. I don't blame him as a person, but I find his success annoying because of him flaking/not caring. I guess it's not his fault but other motivated people not matching and overcoming him, I guess. I am amazed how he can be that strong while being almost bored by the tournaments, he seems to have the same level as before, a true monster. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 16 2017 19:14 B2W.Neo wrote: https://twitter.com/Back2Warcraft/status/864423332799709187 1.29? Go on... Will you be announcing new information? | ||
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B2W.Neo
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
On May 17 2017 01:25 B2W.Neo wrote: Its more like a summary of what's published on Battle.net forums and Hive Workshop, but some stuff was hidden comments, so it might be new to you https://youtu.be/3FW3zc-3iWA BEST NEWS EVER !!!! Neo you are a god sent. | ||
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lestye
United States4280 Posts
i think the july 3 remaster announcement is not likely because they'll have just finished sc1 remaster, i cant see them announcing something officially unless they have a lot of the game done already. BUT, i am pumped for the PTR....and then soon we'll get the promised land....the Big Patch! | ||
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cha0
Canada518 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 17 2017 03:34 lestye wrote: I think if they did remaster WC3, it would take a long time though, even if they skipped D2. Like he said in that yahoo video, sc1 took a year and that was the smallest of those core classic games. i wouldnt be surprised if it took a couple years for a wc3 remaster. i think the july 3 remaster announcement is not likely because they'll have just finished sc1 remaster, i cant see them announcing something officially unless they have a lot of the game done already. BUT, i am pumped for the PTR....and then soon we'll get the promised land....the Big Patch! Watch the interview with the classic team. BW was an absolute nightmare to remaster. Tons and tons of stuff was basically hard coded and a lot of the things like libraries and whatnot just didn't exist. There were also resources they straight up could not find. They had to rebuild a lot of the game. From what they described, it couldn't possibly get any harder than BW. WC3 would likely be significantly easier to patch. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On May 17 2017 05:10 cha0 wrote: Been hearing about balance patch for over a year and a half now, always just around the corner. Will believe it when it actually comes out. I'm on the same page. There definitely have been hints that a patch is coming sometime, but I'm not holding my breath here. Blizzard take a long, long, long time to get things done. I'm also not buying too much into the idea of a remaster. Graphically speaking, the game looks fine. It's pretty ageless, unlike BW. It would probably be best to update the infrastructure around WC3; BNet, the delay, matchmaking improvements and the likes. If they choose to do that I hope they don't do it in a way which compromises the spirit of WC3 though, as old BNet was beast. | ||
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