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DW-Unrec
492 Posts
I didn't get into the competitive scene of games until a few years from now, so I don't know how things were in the WCG times, but I decided to give a try on Quake Live recently, and I realized how similar it is to Unreal Tournament, so it got wondering if UT99 ever had a competitive scene like quake does. Is it because of the lack of movement mechanics? Can't it be compensated by a bigger ammount of weapons + alt fire in UT? | ||
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yokohama
United States1116 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=288770 | ||
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Daumen
Germany1073 Posts
So yes, there was a competetive scene, it think it died down with UT 2004. UT3 gave the Killshot though, according to my brother it killed everything that made ut99 awesome and competetive. | ||
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QuackPocketDuck
410 Posts
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
That blog about Gitzzz was really cool. I never got to play against him or any of the other super good Europeans, but I did get to play Evenflow*dx that the blog mentions beat him in winner's finals (and lost to him in loser's finals) at WCG 02. I also go to play Snoop*dx who got third at WCG 03. It was unbelievable how good these guys were, especially Snoop. Completely unreal (!) link aim, among, well, pretty much every skill that could be mastered in the game. UT was really cool and definitely had a reasonable competitive scene for a long time, it's a shame it got SC2'd by that piece of shit UT3 that displaced Ut2k4 and turned out to be not viable to replace it for competitive play. Yes, I'm bitter. Oh well. | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1979 Posts
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clik
United States319 Posts
A lot of Quake fans weren't into the guns of UT. A lot of them were hit scan, and there were just an overwhelming amount of them including alt fires. The stop and go movement of the dodge system was a turn off as well. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
Dodge-jumping was mainly used to move through the map at speed as it was the fastest way to travel, but it was also the loudest way to travel. You only did it when you thought your opponent already knew were you are or you didn't care about revealing yourself, which admittedly was pretty often. The cool thing about it, I think, was that to execute a proper dodge-jumping you continued to hold forward so as not to lose momentum and swung the mouse to one side and dodged sideways the opposite way then quickly recentered the mouse to the direction of travel. So what this means tactically, is that to move at peak speed you had to constantly move your aim away from camping the corners you're approaching which could introduce a significant delay in making your first shot in a fight. The noise, the tactical aim sacrificing and the difficulty of making long or tight jumps with the mouse swing style (example Rankin lower-elevator ledge->ramp or backwards, unsighted Rankin ramps) meant it wasn't always brainless, either. | ||
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KarlKaliente
United States434 Posts
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DW-Unrec
492 Posts
Maybe I like UT99 more than quake because of the nostalgia aspect, but I can totally see why unreal isn't as big: the game's too simple mechanically speaking. *looks at LoL* | ||
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
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duckii
Germany1017 Posts
 The only thing I didn't like in UT was the rocket launcher. | ||
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clik
United States319 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:04 DW-Unrec wrote: What do you mean by hitscan weapons? Weapons that don't have a projectile? The only weapons that work like that are the sniper rifle and the minigun. Maybe I like UT99 more than quake because of the nostalgia aspect, but I can totally see why unreal isn't as big: the game's too simple mechanically speaking. *looks at LoL* Shock Rifle, Lightning Gun, Sniper, Bio Gun. 2k3 and up had a lot of hit scan. It turned off a lot of quake players. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Toque
Canada30 Posts
When UT3 came out the scene instantly died because it was basically console mechanics in a PC game. If you've played UT3 and Gears of War they feel pretty similar. Tim Sweeney at Epic announced they are working on AAA PC only FPS. My hope is that they bring UT back as an arena shooter with the same user driven economy that Dota 2 has. User generated armour, weapon skins, player models, maps, etc. I think it would kick ass. | ||
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AofH
Canada1 Post
but back to topic. Ut99 had the largest competitive scene but back then you only really had two fps's quake and ut so the community wasn't shattered into a billion different pieces that yearly game releases and DLC provide. However I played the UT2k* series competitively. I wasn't as good as toque but I was a solid player. The ut2k* series had the problem of maps not being up to par with the quake series. People kept wanting to use all the neat graphical tricks the unreal engine had and this led to fairly weak maps which mixed with weapon mix being predominately hitscan meant that you played a lot of hit and run style games. I used to hate the shield gun but it was necessary with the shock rifle. Comparing quake and ut was like comparing apples and oranges. One is smooth with a tiered weapon system while the other is disjointed with unbalanced weapon systems. Both offer different gameplay styles and are fun for different reasons. In short, UT99 was the best game of them all but the 2k* series was solid but with minor problems. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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zuqbu
Germany797 Posts
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oscar62
Canada417 Posts
this game dominated years of my childhood and i wanna relive some of the memories. | ||
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DW-Unrec
492 Posts
On September 25 2013 18:04 oscar62 wrote: are there currently any platforms/communities to play some UT99 online? this game dominated years of my childhood and i wanna relive some of the memories. Me too! I was taking a look around the internet on how to play online because I was going to host a 16 man UT99 tournament with the prize being a $10 game on steam. Maybe you wanna join us? | ||
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Gaius Baltar
United States449 Posts
On September 25 2013 09:33 xDaunt wrote: The shock rifle is still the coolest gun ever created for an FPS. Agreed. I came in after UT99, but I can comment on 2k3 and 2k4. UT2003 was short-lived because UT2004 came out very soon after. Most people consider UT2004 to be a big step up in gameplay, especially movement because of how they tweaked the gravity parameters and whatnot. I played UT2004 for years, and it certainly had a longer time in the spotlight than UT2003 did. There were a few generations of pros, starting with GitzZz and Lauke and ending I'd say with ScrMz years later. By 2007-2008 it was really starting to trail off, and it's been dead cold for years now. | ||
MrTortoise
1388 Posts
all the weapons were so utterly op it was great ... mix that in with dn3d, rott doom quake etc and you had a blast. Was kinda sad to think this was goign to be an unreal thread adn not a ut thread. UT was trying to ride the q2/q3 wave. was a v good game. | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
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Toque
Canada30 Posts
http://www.examiner.com/article/epic-games-working-on-an-unannounced-triple-a-shooter The problem with UT3 was Cliffy B's idea about making it slow and clunky, basically Gears style. Now that he has left Epic I imagine Tim will go back to making the Unreal games the way they were since the Unreal franchise is his baby. | ||
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Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
Always preffered the UT games to Quake though. | ||
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