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Development ended, game appears to be dead.
https://forums.artillery.com/discussion/911/end-of-development
-Jinro
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17735 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-19 21:31:15
August 19 2016 21:30 GMT
#381
i have no emotion good or bad towards this game. i am noting the discrepancies in what they've promised for the last 3 years versus what they are delivering. its a credibility issue. When I decide to spend time and/or money on a developer their credibility is a factor.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 19 2016 21:42 GMT
#382
I think it is a little much to question the credibility of a developer who has never shown the game or even announced features beyond that it is an RTS. You have to really load them up with your own personal expectations to get to the point of questioning their credibility. If you are asking holding people to statements about a game in pre-alpha, before they are feature locked, it shows know nothing about game development and shouldn’t be talking about it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17735 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-19 22:15:59
August 19 2016 22:06 GMT
#383
in 2013, they said they were going to make the console obsolete with a broswer platform. the headline on their site was "Browser Is The Console" or "The Console is The Browser" or some other such nonsense. The game and browser "platform" was to ship in 2014.

everything impacts on credibility. open your yap and make big promises and then deliver nothing and it impacts credibility.

if you want to throw your money at these guys.. be my guest. don't tell me what to do with my money.

from my perspective, at this point, i'd be more willing to spend money on Derek Yu's next creation than on Artillery's next product. I do, however, remain open minded. if Artillery wows me with some amazing experience i'll adjust my stance.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
August 19 2016 22:22 GMT
#384
On August 20 2016 01:49 Latham wrote:
I knew about the 3v3 focus aspect already, but since when did this go from pure RTS to a MOBA/RTS hybrid? We don't really need more MOBA failures on the market... LoL and DOTA2 already own the market, why do these people possibly think they'll be able to bite off more than Smite, HoN, Heroes of the Fail, Bloodline Champions, Battleborn etc.?


They had a vision for a game and went for it. To me it sounds possibly very sick.

You might want to wait until you get a chance to see/try the game before you assume it's just another MOBA clone.
I can take that responsibility.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17735 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-19 22:33:28
August 19 2016 22:30 GMT
#385
adding to my point... they've said it releases in 2016 ( after previous promising 2014 and 2015) and yet this is an Open Alpha in the last week of August..
so they've got 4 months to go through Alpha testing. Then a Beta and then release the game. its August 19th and the game has less than 500 followers on twitter. good luck with skill based matchmaking and low latency intense combat. this is not a formula for financial viability.

these facts further impact their credibility
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Atimo
Profile Joined March 2012
France38 Posts
August 20 2016 01:03 GMT
#386
Raining salt !
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
August 20 2016 02:04 GMT
#387
This JimmyJ guy is super annoying and unreasonable.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
August 20 2016 02:06 GMT
#388
On August 20 2016 07:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
in 2013, they said they were going to make the console obsolete with a broswer platform. the headline on their site was "Browser Is The Console" or "The Console is The Browser" or some other such nonsense. The game and browser "platform" was to ship in 2014.

everything impacts on credibility. open your yap and make big promises and then deliver nothing and it impacts credibility.

if you want to throw your money at these guys.. be my guest. don't tell me what to do with my money.

from my perspective, at this point, i'd be more willing to spend money on Derek Yu's next creation than on Artillery's next product. I do, however, remain open minded. if Artillery wows me with some amazing experience i'll adjust my stance.

Can you post some examples of big promises and when they made them?
Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-20 02:34:59
August 20 2016 02:31 GMT
#389
On August 20 2016 07:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
in 2013, they said they were going to make the console obsolete with a broswer platform. the headline on their site was "Browser Is The Console" or "The Console is The Browser" or some other such nonsense. The game and browser "platform" was to ship in 2014.

everything impacts on credibility. open your yap and make big promises and then deliver nothing and it impacts credibility.

if you want to throw your money at these guys.. be my guest. don't tell me what to do with my money.

from my perspective, at this point, i'd be more willing to spend money on Derek Yu's next creation than on Artillery's next product. I do, however, remain open minded. if Artillery wows me with some amazing experience i'll adjust my stance.


I remember the browser thing, I'm not sure what their plans are long term are with their engine. Things do change, I imagine, running a start-up.

I have a lot of minor criticisms about the way they're handling public relations, and some of your criticisms are reasonable. Yet a lot of it, as far as i can tell, is just assumptive. The game itself, may be amazing, or it may be trash, and little you have said has any bearing on that. I hope you try it out and give them a giant earful on their forums. You may find that they are pretty cool people.

No one is telling you what to do with your money, and Artillery wants you to try the game and rant at them (if you want to) free of charge.

I really don't think release dates, particularly tentative unofficial ones, really have much -that- much to do with their credibility.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 20 2016 04:57 GMT
#390
I've been invited in Atlas' pre-alpha. I guess all I can say is: "See you in one week ".
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4228 Posts
August 20 2016 06:22 GMT
#391
I'm really disappointed its no longer an RTS. I can't blame them given the nature of the genre nowadays.

Has anyone gotten into the alpha? It's really weird how little I know about this game. https://www.reddit.com/r/guardiansofatlas https://twitter.com/playgoa

I really don't like the art style they're showing in the art that is shown on these social media pages. Reminds me of Battleborn /other Gearbox games.

"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1981 Posts
August 20 2016 07:17 GMT
#392
No RTS anymore? Too bad. I guess i stick with Total Annihilation Zero...
Total Annihilation Zero
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
August 20 2016 07:56 GMT
#393
On August 20 2016 16:17 TaShadan wrote:
No RTS anymore? Too bad. I guess i stick with Total Annihilation Zero...

this is pretty ironic given how old total annihilation is
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17735 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-20 10:09:07
August 20 2016 09:26 GMT
#394
On August 20 2016 11:06 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2016 07:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
in 2013, they said they were going to make the console obsolete with a broswer platform. the headline on their site was "Browser Is The Console" or "The Console is The Browser" or some other such nonsense. The game and browser "platform" was to ship in 2014.

everything impacts on credibility. open your yap and make big promises and then deliver nothing and it impacts credibility.

if you want to throw your money at these guys.. be my guest. don't tell me what to do with my money.

from my perspective, at this point, i'd be more willing to spend money on Derek Yu's next creation than on Artillery's next product. I do, however, remain open minded. if Artillery wows me with some amazing experience i'll adjust my stance.

Can you post some examples of big promises and when they made them?


sure,
its only 2 pages back. but here you go.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 12 2016 23:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
They said it would be released in 2013, then 2015, and now 2016.

On August 12 2016 23:38 Hider wrote:
No they didn't. Are you just making shit up?

On August 12 2016 23:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
sift through my comments in this thread and see how much i am "making shit up".
if any one is "making shit up" its Artillery Games.

like i said, Artillery is probably begging for money and an extension. They promised the game in 2016 and we're in the middle of August.... This is John Galt Speaking...

you want to see what "making shit up" looks like.. here you go
"Our browser-based platform will be transformative for the industry," , September 2013.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/19/4746690/artillery-shows-html5-browser-game-platform

that is what "making shit up" looks like. And i must say.. during their big 2013 press tour Artillery Games was really good at it.


here is some more big talk.
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/project-atlas-artillery-games-day-nine-esports-ankur-pansari/
Artillery is going to make the Console obsolete via the creation of a browser based game building platform.

Beta in September 2013 with the browser game-builder platform to arrive in early 2014.
https://techcrunch.com/2013/09/19/artillery/
"is putting the game in beta for roughly 1,000 players until full release sometime early next year."

By September 2015 they abandoned this project after a lot of big talk and zero results.
http://blog.artillery.com/2015/09/artillery-native-game-client.html

i advise keeping your expectations low for this game.

someone mentioned something about "salt". i hope they are not reading any kind of negative emotions into my posts. in my view Artillery is the 21st century version of "Kramerica Industries" from Seinfeld. its good comedy. so let's just relax, have some laughs, and enjoy Artillery's next move.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
August 20 2016 10:03 GMT
#395
So what - they jumped on a hype bandwagon and it turned out not great because they wanted to do more. They are transparent about it and still deliver the game.


Big promise; eh. Thats a stretch. Its not like people were only interested because of that browser thing.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17735 Posts
August 20 2016 10:15 GMT
#396
if it were only published in 1 tiny media outlet then maybe its no biggie. but that's not what happened. when u do the big press/media offensive push like they did... its big talk.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-20 10:45:43
August 20 2016 10:44 GMT
#397
On August 20 2016 16:56 Endymion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2016 16:17 TaShadan wrote:
No RTS anymore? Too bad. I guess i stick with Total Annihilation Zero...

this is pretty ironic given how old total annihilation is


Original TA is old yes. But Zero is a total conversion mod with all new graphics and interface. Having up to date controls. Also the mod is not that old either.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIGJ_Jt1C7W0MU5RHn2h10w
I personally prefer good rts games even if they are older to new games with modern graphics but shit gameplay or balance.
Total Annihilation Zero
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
August 20 2016 11:15 GMT
#398
On August 20 2016 19:03 KeksX wrote:
Big promise; eh. Thats a stretch. Its not like people were only interested because of that browser thing.

That would have been a HUGE accomplishment while nothing comparable existed at the time.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
August 20 2016 15:36 GMT
#399
On August 20 2016 18:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2016 11:06 Duka08 wrote:
On August 20 2016 07:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
in 2013, they said they were going to make the console obsolete with a broswer platform. the headline on their site was "Browser Is The Console" or "The Console is The Browser" or some other such nonsense. The game and browser "platform" was to ship in 2014.

everything impacts on credibility. open your yap and make big promises and then deliver nothing and it impacts credibility.

if you want to throw your money at these guys.. be my guest. don't tell me what to do with my money.

from my perspective, at this point, i'd be more willing to spend money on Derek Yu's next creation than on Artillery's next product. I do, however, remain open minded. if Artillery wows me with some amazing experience i'll adjust my stance.

Can you post some examples of big promises and when they made them?


sure,
its only 2 pages back. but here you go.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 12 2016 23:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
They said it would be released in 2013, then 2015, and now 2016.

On August 12 2016 23:38 Hider wrote:
No they didn't. Are you just making shit up?

On August 12 2016 23:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
sift through my comments in this thread and see how much i am "making shit up".
if any one is "making shit up" its Artillery Games.

like i said, Artillery is probably begging for money and an extension. They promised the game in 2016 and we're in the middle of August.... This is John Galt Speaking...

you want to see what "making shit up" looks like.. here you go
"Our browser-based platform will be transformative for the industry," , September 2013.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/19/4746690/artillery-shows-html5-browser-game-platform

that is what "making shit up" looks like. And i must say.. during their big 2013 press tour Artillery Games was really good at it.


here is some more big talk.
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/project-atlas-artillery-games-day-nine-esports-ankur-pansari/
Artillery is going to make the Console obsolete via the creation of a browser based game building platform.

Beta in September 2013 with the browser game-builder platform to arrive in early 2014.
https://techcrunch.com/2013/09/19/artillery/
"is putting the game in beta for roughly 1,000 players until full release sometime early next year."

By September 2015 they abandoned this project after a lot of big talk and zero results.
http://blog.artillery.com/2015/09/artillery-native-game-client.html

i advise keeping your expectations low for this game.

someone mentioned something about "salt". i hope they are not reading any kind of negative emotions into my posts. in my view Artillery is the 21st century version of "Kramerica Industries" from Seinfeld. its good comedy. so let's just relax, have some laughs, and enjoy Artillery's next move.

So your entire credibility argument is basically just the release date
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17735 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-20 16:27:08
August 20 2016 16:18 GMT
#400
they promised a browser-based game building platform and never delivered. this impacts their credibility. they went far and wide yelling at the top of their lungs how they were going to make the console obsolete with a browser platform that never got made even though they said it was coming in a few months.

Blizzard promised PvP in D3 for years and never delivered. this impacts their credibility. Fortunately, BLizzard delivers in so many other areas their reputation can easily withstand this 1 mis-step.

Artillery has delivered nothing and has no reputation to fall back on. I advise keeping one's expectations low for this game.

On August 20 2016 19:44 TaShadan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2016 16:56 Endymion wrote:
On August 20 2016 16:17 TaShadan wrote:
No RTS anymore? Too bad. I guess i stick with Total Annihilation Zero...

this is pretty ironic given how old total annihilation is


Original TA is old yes. But Zero is a total conversion mod with all new graphics and interface. Having up to date controls. Also the mod is not that old either.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIGJ_Jt1C7W0MU5RHn2h10w
I personally prefer good rts games even if they are older to new games with modern graphics but shit gameplay or balance.


plus who cares how old the game is any way? my sports game of choice is EA NHL '94. i try other sports games but they're just not as fun so i keep going back to old reliable.

do you think there will be active Madden17 competitive leagues in 2040?


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