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wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
September 29 2013 06:25 GMT
#61
14. 0-0-0 was played. Black to move.

Black's turn ends in

+ Show Spoiler [Current position] +
[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler [Game history] +
1. e2-e4  c7-c5 
2. Ng1-f3 d7-d6
3. d2-d4 c5xd4
4. Nf3xd4 a7-a6
5. c2-c4 g7-g6
6. Nb1-c3 Bf8-g7
7. Bf1-e2 Nb8-c6
8. Bc1-e3 Ng8-h6
9. f2-f3 f7-f5
10. Qd1-d2 Nc6xd4
11. Be3xd4 Bg7xd4
12. Qd2xd4 e7-e5
13. Qd4-d5 Nh6-f7
14. 0-0-0


+ Show Spoiler [Voting details] +
Valid votes:

14. 0-0-0 - wingpawn, jampidampi, rebdomine
14. 0-0 - Malinor, LonelyCat
14. c4-c5 - charliezz10

Invalid votes:

14. 0-0 - Sinedd
Sinedd's vote came when there was still Black's turn.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
September 29 2013 15:09 GMT
#62
On September 29 2013 15:25 wingpawn wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Voting details] +
Valid votes:

14. 0-0-0 - wingpawn, jampidampi, rebdomine
14. 0-0 - Malinor, LonelyCat
14. c4-c5 - charliezz10

Invalid votes:

14. 0-0 - Sinedd
Sinedd's vote came when there was still Black's turn.
For what it's worth, according to my interpretation of the rules, the tally would have come out differently, though the outcome would have been the same. I'd have counted Sinedd's vote for 14. O-O, since there is no rule stating that you can't vote for a move early, as long as you specify the move you're voting for. Accordingly, the result would have been a 3-3 tie between O-O and O-O-O, which would have been broken by throwing out LonelyCat's vote for O-O (so in this case, the move played would have been the same).

You're the referee here, so your interpretation of the rules counts, but in that case I suggest you edit the rules in the OP to explicitly require voting to be done during the relevant turn and not ahead of time.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
September 29 2013 16:02 GMT
#63
On September 30 2013 00:09 qrs wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2013 15:25 wingpawn wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Voting details] +
Valid votes:

14. 0-0-0 - wingpawn, jampidampi, rebdomine
14. 0-0 - Malinor, LonelyCat
14. c4-c5 - charliezz10

Invalid votes:

14. 0-0 - Sinedd
Sinedd's vote came when there was still Black's turn.
For what it's worth, according to my interpretation of the rules, the tally would have come out differently, though the outcome would have been the same. I'd have counted Sinedd's vote for 14. O-O, since there is no rule stating that you can't vote for a move early, as long as you specify the move you're voting for. Accordingly, the result would have been a 3-3 tie between O-O and O-O-O, which would have been broken by throwing out LonelyCat's vote for O-O (so in this case, the move played would have been the same).

You're the referee here, so your interpretation of the rules counts, but in that case I suggest you edit the rules in the OP to explicitly require voting to be done during the relevant turn and not ahead of time.

The rules are clear on that issue (Section: Tallying votes, point 4, subpoint 2):

Only valid votes are tallied. These are votes that

  • conform exactly to the specified format
    Note: the reason for this is to make votes easily tallyable via search. Therefore, case can be ignored, since most default search functions, especially in browsers, ignore case. Everything else about the format must be exact.
  • are posted by a member of the team whose turn it is to move
  • appear in posts that were last edited before the deadline for that move.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 16:21:56
September 29 2013 16:19 GMT
#64
On September 30 2013 01:02 wingpawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 00:09 qrs wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2013 15:25 wingpawn wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Voting details] +
Valid votes:

14. 0-0-0 - wingpawn, jampidampi, rebdomine
14. 0-0 - Malinor, LonelyCat
14. c4-c5 - charliezz10

Invalid votes:

14. 0-0 - Sinedd
Sinedd's vote came when there was still Black's turn.
For what it's worth, according to my interpretation of the rules, the tally would have come out differently, though the outcome would have been the same. I'd have counted Sinedd's vote for 14. O-O, since there is no rule stating that you can't vote for a move early, as long as you specify the move you're voting for. Accordingly, the result would have been a 3-3 tie between O-O and O-O-O, which would have been broken by throwing out LonelyCat's vote for O-O (so in this case, the move played would have been the same).

You're the referee here, so your interpretation of the rules counts, but in that case I suggest you edit the rules in the OP to explicitly require voting to be done during the relevant turn and not ahead of time.

The rules are clear on that issue (Section: Tallying votes, point 4, subpoint 2):

Show nested quote +
Only valid votes are tallied. These are votes that

  • conform exactly to the specified format
    Note: the reason for this is to make votes easily tallyable via search. Therefore, case can be ignored, since most default search functions, especially in browsers, ignore case. Everything else about the format must be exact.
  • are posted by a member of the team whose turn it is to move
  • appear in posts that were last edited before the deadline for that move.
At the time the last vote was tallied, Sinedd was a member of the team whose turn it was to move. However, I don't suppose it matters much, as you've made your interpretation of the rules clear in any case.

To the game: I was rather tempted to go for your Knight pawn with 14...Qg5+, 15...Qxg2. However, after giving that move due consideration, I came to the conclusion that the g-pawn was poisoned. Hence, the quieter ##move 14... Qd8-e7. (Had you castled Kingside, on the other hand, I very likely would have gone for the opposite Knight pawn with 14...Qb6+, 15...Qxb2.)
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
October 01 2013 05:07 GMT
#65
14... Qd8-e7 was played. White to move.

White's turn ends in

+ Show Spoiler [Current position] +
[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler [Game history] +
1. e2-e4  c7-c5 
2. Ng1-f3 d7-d6
3. d2-d4 c5xd4
4. Nf3xd4 a7-a6
5. c2-c4 g7-g6
6. Nb1-c3 Bf8-g7
7. Bf1-e2 Nb8-c6
8. Bc1-e3 Ng8-h6
9. f2-f3 f7-f5
10. Qd1-d2 Nc6xd4
11. Be3xd4 Bg7xd4
12. Qd2xd4 e7-e5
13. Qd4-d5 Nh6-f7
14. 0-0-0 Qd8-e7
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 09:20:03
October 01 2013 09:18 GMT
#66
The rules of the match are now updated to avoid further confusion in cases like Sinedd's.

DO NOT vote for White moves when it's still Black's turn. Votes like that will be counted as illegal.

To clarify: if you make such vote, you can always post again during White's turn and have your vote counted as legal.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 01 2013 09:57 GMT
#67
On October 01 2013 18:18 wingpawn wrote:
The rules of the match are now updated to avoid further confusion in cases like Sinedd's.

DO NOT vote for White moves when it's still Black's turn. Votes like that will be counted as illegal.

To clarify: if you make such vote, you can always post again during White's turn and have your vote counted as legal.
Thanks for the update. It can't hurt to make things as clear as possible.

By the way, I don't know how you feel about discussing the game with your opponent, so don't feel obliged to answer this question if you'd rather play your cards close to your chest, but I can't help but notice that you're not immediately ready with your move this time. Had you expected me to play a different move than the one I played? Or were you anticipating this one, but still want to take a little longer to consider your reply?

Fair's fair: since I ask a question like that, I'll volunteer the same info from the Black POV: moves 10-12 went as we expected (though, to be sure, those were semi-forced). 13. Qd5 was a move we'd considered, but we didn't think it likeliest; Calgar expected 13. Qd2, while I thought you might play Qe3 and/or Qf2. When you did play 13. Qd5, I was sure that you intended to follow up with 14. c5, though I guess I'd have called 14. O-O-O your second-likeliest move. I was surprised that you even came close to playing 14. O-O, as that seems to drop a pawn (14...Qb6+ 15. Kh1 Qxb2) without very much compensation as far as I could see.

Again, don't feel obliged to reciprocate, and regardless of whether you do, you're welcome to the info about our side of things, as I don't feel that it's overly relevant to the current position.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
October 01 2013 10:10 GMT
#68
You have to understand my position, qrs. I'm in a team with 18 cutthroat, bloothirsty mercenaries, including the most fearsome names like killerdog, DeathDyingDoomKiller and megapants. I think it will be best if I keep my mouth shut about our analysis.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 01 2013 10:34 GMT
#69
On October 01 2013 19:10 wingpawn wrote:
You have to understand my position, qrs. I'm in a team with 18 cutthroat, bloothirsty mercenaries, including the most fearsome names like killerdog, DeathDyingDoomKiller and megapants. I think it will be best if I keep my mouth shut about our analysis.
As I said, perfectly understood, and no offense taken. Consider the info I vouchsafed about ours a free gift.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
October 01 2013 20:59 GMT
#70
##VOTE 15. b2-b4
megapants
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 21:32:33
October 02 2013 04:05 GMT
#71
##Vote 15. Rdf1
charliezz10
Profile Joined January 2013
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 21:18:33
October 02 2013 21:17 GMT
#72
##Vote Rhf1
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 23:28:20
October 02 2013 23:28 GMT
#73
##Vote 15. Rhf1
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
October 03 2013 06:21 GMT
#74
15. Rh1-f1 was played. Black to move.

Black's turn ends in

+ Show Spoiler [Current position] +
[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler [Game history] +
1. e2-e4  c7-c5 
2. Ng1-f3 d7-d6
3. d2-d4 c5xd4
4. Nf3xd4 a7-a6
5. c2-c4 g7-g6
6. Nb1-c3 Bf8-g7
7. Bf1-e2 Nb8-c6
8. Bc1-e3 Ng8-h6
9. f2-f3 f7-f5
10. Qd1-d2 Nc6xd4
11. Be3xd4 Bg7xd4
12. Qd2xd4 e7-e5
13. Qd4-d5 Nh6-f7
14. 0-0-0 Qd8-e7
15. Rh1-f1


+ Show Spoiler [Voting details] +
Valid votes:

15. Rh1-f1 - charliezz10, Malinor
15. Rd1-f1 - megapants
15. b2-b4 - wingpawn

Invalid votes: none
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 04 2013 21:39 GMT
#75
##Move 15... Bc8-e6
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
October 05 2013 05:55 GMT
#76
15...Bc8-e6 was played. White to move.

White's turn ends in

+ Show Spoiler [Current position] +
[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler [Game history] +
1. e2-e4  c7-c5 
2. Ng1-f3 d7-d6
3. d2-d4 c5xd4
4. Nf3xd4 a7-a6
5. c2-c4 g7-g6
6. Nb1-c3 Bf8-g7
7. Bf1-e2 Nb8-c6
8. Bc1-e3 Ng8-h6
9. f2-f3 f7-f5
10. Qd1-d2 Nc6xd4
11. Be3xd4 Bg7xd4
12. Qd2xd4 e7-e5
13. Qd4-d5 Nh6-f7
14. 0-0-0 Qd8-e7
15. Rh1-f1 Bc8-e6
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
October 05 2013 18:34 GMT
#77
##VOTE 16. Qd5-d2
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
October 05 2013 19:01 GMT
#78
##VOTE 16. Qd5-d2
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 07 2013 04:23 GMT
#79
##MOVE 16... Ra8-c8
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
October 07 2013 05:08 GMT
#80
16. Qd5-d2 was played. Black to move.

Black's turn ends in

+ Show Spoiler [Current position] +
[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler [Game history] +
1. e2-e4  c7-c5 
2. Ng1-f3 d7-d6
3. d2-d4 c5xd4
4. Nf3xd4 a7-a6
5. c2-c4 g7-g6
6. Nb1-c3 Bf8-g7
7. Bf1-e2 Nb8-c6
8. Bc1-e3 Ng8-h6
9. f2-f3 f7-f5
10. Qd1-d2 Nc6xd4
11. Be3xd4 Bg7xd4
12. Qd2xd4 e7-e5
13. Qd4-d5 Nh6-f7
14. 0-0-0 Qd8-e7
15. Rh1-f1 Bc8-e6
16. Qd5-d2


+ Show Spoiler [Voting details] +
Valid votes:

16. Qd2-d5 - wingpawn, Malinor

Invalid votes: none
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