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http://kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-working-on-a-ps4-5-1765723053
Sony is currently planning a new version of the PS4 with increased graphical power and games running at 4K resolution, developer sources tell Kotaku.
We don’t know whether current PS4 owners will be able to upgrade or if they’ll have to buy an entirely new device to benefit from this power boost, but from what we hear, Sony has started briefing developers.
Based on conversations with developers who have spoken with Sony, this ‘PS4.5’ will include an upgraded GPU both to support high-end 4K resolution for games and add more processing power that can enhance the games supported by PlayStation VR, the headset Sony will launch this fall. It’s unclear if ‘PS4.5’ is an official name or just a nickname that developers have been using. One developer jokingly called it the ‘PS4K’ while telling me about the device.
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Terrible idea. Consoles are hard to support with PC's, and Tablets when they are at Appliance price levels. That and the hardware upgrades alone would make it seem to be just a test bed for the engineers etc that would be working and planning on the PS5.
EDIT: Add to the fact that 4k is still relatively new just look that the TV's and would cost well into the hundreds of dollars just for an upgrade plus the cost of the console alone so looking at 1000 bucks for a possible new console.
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No way that its happening
They wont be risking to divide their current userbase, im sure they might release a new PS4 with 4k video and 4k blu ray, but not for games
A) alienate the current userbase and developers
B) it could be very very expensive and wont work, for The Division, you need a Titan X for 4k/30fps at Medium settings
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They're adding a secondary processor for VR stuff, wouldn't surprise me if they did the same thing for "ps4k" with a GPU-box that ran supported games at the same graphical settings and higher resolutions - or just higher graphical settings &1080p60, even.
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@Faruko consoles use pretty low settings anyway. Besides, next gen flagships will be some 5-8x faster than a ps4 at stock settings. There's plenty of room to box up a GPU that blows the ps4's out of the water and sell it as an add-on or a special new type of PS4 that can turn up the resolution on your games.
Graphics settings are massive. If these numbers are roughly correct (i don't know the game benchmarks well, just looked up some) then low settings runs 3x as well as Ultra and would allow a 390 (~$320 GPU, about to see massive price drops) to get ~80fps at 4k or play @1080p max well beyond the ps4's current capabilities for performance.
EDIT: Add to the fact that 4k is still relatively new just look that the TV's and would cost well into the hundreds of dollars just for an upgrade plus the cost of the console alone so looking at 1000 bucks for a possible new console.
Plenty of console players would like to pay more for more performance in a playstation package. It doesn't have to be part of every ps4 console driving up the price, it could be 10-20% of the playerbase and please both sony and the people using it. It doesn't neccesarily have to be for 4k rendering either; the ps4 is struggling to run a lot of modern games at less than 1080p, less than 60fps and a fraction of max graphical settings, sometimes all at the same time.
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Out of the predictions being thrown around online, I think some combination of these features would be realistic:
-4K video (ex: 4K Blu-ray, video, and/or cut scenes in video games)
-Improved install and load times
-Features that enhance Playstation VR experience
-Slim model
Here's an interesting Eurogamer article about the possibilities.
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Speaking of 4K technology, I wonder what the stats are on the adoption of 4K TVs.
They are becoming more affordable, but most of them have the same 40-50 inch displays as 1080p TVs. Assuming you watch TV while sitting on a couch two meters away, the improvements would be less apparent at such display sizes. Even if cheap, larger options become available, a lot of people don't have enough space to house 70+ inch TVs.
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Speaking of 4K technology, I wonder what the stats are on the adoption of 4K TVs.
There's really no need to go to 4k IMO.
If the PS4 had 3x more graphical horsepower, they could make great use of it even without exceeding 1920x1080.
* Locked 1920x1080 - great, a bunch of games can't manage that. 1080p is 1.44x higher resolution than 900p!
* Locked 60fps - might not be manageable for CPU, but hey, it's closer or met for many games. If the game's running at a lower framerate because of CPU limitations, you can increase graphical load further without reducing the FPS (as it's waiting for the CPU, not the GPU)
* Way more graphical effects - ps4 is like playing PC games on low-med, not a surprise here
* Actually important stuff like MSAA - no more of that icky aliasing that plagues console games. No more need for FXAA, a very cheap but low quality filter that blurs the image a lot and doesn't fix some of the worst kinds of aliasing.
From what i've heard of these rumors, it looks like an option for those people who want the playstation package (some stuff simpler, no hardware setup, your social group is on PSN etc) but would like to pay more to have a system more mid-upper range instead of being priced and performing as a low end PC.
-Improved install and load times
This one is easily possible. Easily. The ps4 has a slow hard drive right now and you can get a solid 500GB SSD for £100-125. Potential to improve load times by a factor of 5++. If you want dual-storage or less storage, it's cheaper.
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The problem is
4k gaming its much more advertisable than "better" 1080p gaming, most non-tech savvy people will see "WOW IT PLAY GAMES AT 4K", they dont care if they run like crap or look like a NES game
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It is going to be a scaler, there is chance of it being anything else. Which is fine. I hardware update is also fine if they want to go the Iphone route and not reset their store front and infrastructure every 8 years.
But people need to remember that the Xbox had a bunch of version that upgraded during its lifespan, including adding HDMI.
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On March 26 2016 01:31 Faruko wrote:
The problem is
4k gaming its much more advertisable than "better" 1080p gaming, most non-tech savvy people will see "WOW IT PLAY GAMES AT 4K", they dont care if they run like crap or look like a NES game
known for years, since then companies use that sort of advertising more often. There were two groups, 12 people each, first group was told that they are going watch a movie in HD, other group wasn't informed about HD quality. After the movie, all people from first said "it was in HD" while second group gave mixed answers. In reality, the movie showed in SD.
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On March 26 2016 01:26 Cyro wrote:
If the PS4 had 3x more graphical horsepower ...
* Locked 1920x1080 ...
* Locked 60fps - might not be manageable for CPU, but hey, it's closer or met for many games. If the game's running at a lower framerate because of CPU limitations, you can increase graphical load further without reducing the FPS (as it's waiting for the CPU, not the GPU)
* Way more graphical effects ...
I thought about similar visual improvements as well. But yeah realistically it should be a small upgrade. It wouldn't be in Sony's interest to create a distinctly two-tiered experience (even for vr games) and upset a lot of PS4 users.
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At the only it will only hold a 2x powerful GPU and no CPU upgrade, will cost $400 and will upscale games to 4k.
Sony fucked it up real nice while not supporting 4k from the start, now a misserable $30 dollar android device would run 4k content
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Let's be real here, I like my PS4 for gaming on my couch and so i don't have to replace my 5 year old PC, but with the current hardware the loadtimes are already obnoxious for many games (Witcher 3 being the "worst" so far, but many other games aren't far behind). 4k would be a "nice" feature, but frankly not a single game with current engines can be rendered at that level by a console.
It might be nice for DVDs and other pre-rendered content but it's hardly a feature I miss.
If such a 4.5 console would be released I might consider buying it if my current one breaks down completely but I certainly won't buy it just to enable upscaling to 4k.
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im not selling my ps4 for the only reason that it has a Blu ray player
thats about it, i dont play on it since i bought my steam link
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Giant BombToday, multiple sources have confirmed for us details of the project, which is internally referred to as the NEO ... The NEO will feature a higher clock speed than the original PS4, an improved GPU, and higher bandwidth on the memory. The documents we've received note that the HDD in the NEO is the same as that in the original PlayStation 4 ... Starting in October, every PS4 game is required to ship with both a “Base Mode” which will run on the currently available PS4 and a “NEO Mode” for use on the new console. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgsafe.org/0ccb743.jpg) Games running in NEO mode will be able to use the hardware upgrades (and an additional 512 MiB in the memory budget) to offer increased and more stable frame rate and higher visual fidelity, at least when those games run at 1080p on HDTVs. The NEO will also support 4K image output, but games themselves are not required to be 4K native. ... 4K TV owners should expect the NEO to upscale games to fit the format, but one place Sony is unwilling to bend is on frame rate. Throughout the documents, Sony repeatedly reminds developers that the frame rate of games in NEO Mode must meet or exceed the frame rate of the game on the original PS4 system. The NEO will not supplant the current PS4, but will exist alongside of it and use the same user environment. The PS4 and NEO will use the same PSN store, connect to the same online communities, and offer the same user experience, so expect to see the same cross media bar that you’re used to. Players will be able to retain all of the purchases they made on the PS4. ... there will be no NEO-only games, and Sony will not let developers separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN. Likewise, Sony explicitly and repeatedly states that developers cannot offer exclusive gameplay options or special unlockables for NEO players—so don’t expect NEO owners to get a level editor or a special Rocket League car that you won’t have access to on your original PS4 ... PS4 Base and NEO versions of a game will also need to have parity with regard to peripheral support ... Though every PS4 game released as of October of this year will need to support both the original PS4 and the NEO, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the Neo will release in October. Additionally, games released in the late September window will require a day one patch that updates them to NEO standards. The documents we’ve received explicitly note that devs are allowed to launch NEO-ready games before the NEO itself releases. Games released previous to the NEO can take advantage of this hardware upgrade, but only if developers decide to patch their titles.
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No word weather the upgraded version will be quiter etc?
Who cares if it sounds like crap, right? Only people with ears do.
Would be kinda sweet when i think about it to have a poll asking weather you own a pair of ears or not.
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Ugh, I was gonna get a PS4 in the summer so I have one for FFXV. Not sure what to do now. I don't want to wait until the end of the year to get one, but I also don't want to get a regular one early and have newer tech available in just a few months.
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