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crazyman64335
Profile Joined July 2010
United States7 Posts
May 12 2013 16:03 GMT
#1
So i'm not sure alot of people even know or care about this game. But why isn't it more popular? It's a competitive RTS similar to SC2 with a few based casters such as myself. It's more unit control based as opposed to the economy based gameplay that Starcraft 2 mixes. But i figured that this being the only real competition for SC2 that it'd be more popular. And for those complaining about balancing issues i think i'll just put this here. And i'm totally new to these forums so i have no idea what to expect as a community.

Casters
http://www.youtube.com/user/nickgracey
http://www.youtube.com/user/DoWReplaysNet
http://www.youtube.com/user/RedRupee
http://www.youtube.com/user/RadicallyDreaming/

Elite Mod (Download this if you want to play Multiplayer, it's a complete overhaul adding a new race, tons of balancing fixes, and new units. One of the best mods available in my opinion)

http://www.dawnofwar.info/index.php?page=elite/about

Thanks for reading and happy mothers day!
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Paramo
Profile Joined July 2008
Mexico138 Posts
May 12 2013 16:11 GMT
#2
I tried retribution multiplayer when it came out but honestly all the different damage types and gear options made it a bit daunting. And after a while it was very hard to find a multipalyer game so I eventually stoped trying
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 16:15:18
May 12 2013 16:14 GMT
#3
Because the game was incredibly unbalanced and dull so everyone got frustrated and quit and went back to dow 1 pro mod or whatever else they were doing
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
May 12 2013 16:56 GMT
#4
because dow1 is just way superior in every aspect of gameplay, relic sucks huge champions and the gameplay(back when I played it) is best summarized with:

Imagine 2 squads chasing each other in circles around a tree.
Replace tree with control point, and you have Dawn of War 2
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17553 Posts
May 12 2013 17:05 GMT
#5
On May 13 2013 01:56 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
because dow1 is just way superior in every aspect of gameplay, relic sucks huge champions and the gameplay(back when I played it) is best summarized with:

Imagine 2 squads chasing each other in circles around a tree.
Replace tree with control point, and you have Dawn of War 2


This is a very flawed view of the game. You could say that about SC2 too: Imagine 2 army blobs chasing each other in circles around a hill, you have SC2.



DoW2 capping/decapping is similar to CoH.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
murphs
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 17:24:03
May 12 2013 17:19 GMT
#6
It's not a competitive RTS. It's not even an RTS.

DoW 1 was a million miles better, and that itself pales in comparison to StarCraft.

I played DoW1 for years and I gave up DoW2 3 weeks after it came out. It is actually the worst game I have ever played and I say that as a long time PC gamer, a fan of the franchise and a fan/player of Warhammer 40k.

I can confirm that reric were a bunch of fruiting kermits when it came to making DoW2.
crazyman64335
Profile Joined July 2010
United States7 Posts
May 12 2013 17:43 GMT
#7
On May 13 2013 02:19 murphs wrote:
It's not a competitive RTS. It's not even an RTS.

DoW 1 was a million miles better, and that itself pales in comparison to StarCraft.

I played DoW1 for years and I gave up DoW2 3 weeks after it came out. It is actually the worst game I have ever played and I say that as a long time PC gamer, a fan of the franchise and a fan/player of Warhammer 40k.

I can confirm that reric were a bunch of fruiting kermits when it came to making DoW2.

the worst pc game you've every played? i mean you're entitled to your own opinion obviously but i think that's WAY to extreme. There are tons of far worse games, perhaps you took the approach that many players took was because there was more strategy involved in the 2nd game that it isn't nearly as good as DOW1. The matches don't reach that level of epicness that often anymore, but when they do it makes them all the more sweeter.
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crazyman64335
Profile Joined July 2010
United States7 Posts
May 12 2013 17:45 GMT
#8
On May 13 2013 01:11 Paramo wrote:
I tried retribution multiplayer when it came out but honestly all the different damage types and gear options made it a bit daunting. And after a while it was very hard to find a multipalyer game so I eventually stoped trying

theres a steam group called L2P dawn of war 2. they often have open lobbies with a player named Codex who knows the game like the back of his hand. He tells players a ton of information which makes them fairly competitive regardless of gametime played. And sadly finding a multiplayer game is still rather difficult because players are afraid of that learning curve. I'd recommend giving that a shot if you are even remotely interested in the multiplayer.
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murphs
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 17:56:11
May 12 2013 17:52 GMT
#9
On May 13 2013 02:43 crazyman64335 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 02:19 murphs wrote:
It's not a competitive RTS. It's not even an RTS.

DoW 1 was a million miles better, and that itself pales in comparison to StarCraft.

I played DoW1 for years and I gave up DoW2 3 weeks after it came out. It is actually the worst game I have ever played and I say that as a long time PC gamer, a fan of the franchise and a fan/player of Warhammer 40k.

I can confirm that reric were a bunch of fruiting kermits when it came to making DoW2.

perhaps you took the approach that many players took was because there was more strategy involved in the 2nd game that it isn't nearly as good as DOW1.


1. Nice subtle insult
2. Bullshit

And yes the worst game that I've ever played. DoW1 was the first multiplayer game that I played and I played it for 5 years. I had massive expectations for DoW2 and what I got made me want to vomit. The campaign was good, the multiplayer was criminal.

There may be worse games out there, I'm sure there are. However DoW2 is the worst that I personally have played.
Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
May 12 2013 18:01 GMT
#10
On May 13 2013 02:19 murphs wrote:
It's not a competitive RTS. It's not even an RTS.

DoW 1 was a million miles better, and that itself pales in comparison to StarCraft.

I played DoW1 for years and I gave up DoW2 3 weeks after it came out. It is actually the worst game I have ever played and I say that as a long time PC gamer, a fan of the franchise and a fan/player of Warhammer 40k.

I can confirm that reric were a bunch of fruiting kermits when it came to making DoW2.

Ha! Love this post. Sums up my feelings too. So disappointing.
@YorkeSC - RIP MIT Police Officer Sean Collier, BW fan
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17553 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 18:24:35
May 12 2013 18:22 GMT
#11
I don't know. I was huge into DoW 1 (as I'm also a tabletop 40k fan/player) and I liked DoW 2 more. The only thing that killed it for me when it came out was GFWL bullshit. Later on playerbase just wasn't big enough.

But I also liked WC3 and AoX more than BW and Diablo 1 more than Diablo 2. SC2 and D3 are complete and utter garbage in my eyes. Guess I just like different kinds of games to the majority of people...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
murphs
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland417 Posts
May 12 2013 18:22 GMT
#12
Anyway welcome to TL crazyman, it's not always this rough I assure you.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10134 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 18:38:01
May 12 2013 18:36 GMT
#13
On May 13 2013 03:22 Manit0u wrote:
I don't know. I was huge into DoW 1 (as I'm also a tabletop 40k fan/player) and I liked DoW 2 more. The only thing that killed it for me when it came out was GFWL bullshit. Later on playerbase just wasn't big enough.


Same for me. But my problem was the imbalance the few first months (and mind you, i played nids, so i wasn't exactly in the short end of the stick). I just got bored eventually and never looked back. Maybe today it's an awesome game, but i can't be bothered since i don't have the expansions.

Btw Manitou i want to kill matt ward for the latest high elves army book :d
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 18:53:35
May 12 2013 18:53 GMT
#14
I loved DOW1 but found DOW2 boring. DOW2 is probably a decent game if you're into that, but it's the disappointment is compounded for those of us who liked DOW1 since they could have made an amazing DOW2 without changing all that was awesome with DOW1. DOW2 should have been a differente franchise.
TehRei
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 19:20:20
May 12 2013 19:11 GMT
#15
Well DoW2 isn't an RTS in the original sense of the word, since there is little strategy involved. They've instead chosen tactics as the focus (not the same thing). Personally I was never that heavily invested in DoW1, although I did sink a lot of hours into it, but with that said I still found DoW2 to be "ok" at best and downright awful at worst.

I dunno. Personally I don't think that RTT-games are as viewer friendly or, for lack of a better word, "e-sports-friendly", which is why I think it's gotten so little recognition as a competitive game. But that's just my opinion, it's not facts by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm not saying this to bash on you or your thread by the way, there are plenty of games that I feel are about as good as DoW2, but still get a lot more viewers and a more active scene than DoW2 seems to have. Sorry if my post read as being condescending or anything, it's just we're all different when it comes to games I guess.

EDIT: The above poster also raises a good point. If they would've made DoW2 into a separate title instead of as a sequel, it should at the very least have been looked at with less hate by fans of the original. As a fan of the older Fallout games it would be similar to how Fallout: Tactics works out. It's in the same universe, but it's very different in how it's played. I don't much care for it, but it's sort of a spin-off, so it doesn't really bother me either. However, when Fallout 3 came out, branded as the sequel to Fallout 2, I was not happy.
cythaze
Profile Joined June 2011
830 Posts
May 12 2013 19:20 GMT
#16
Reason why this got no regocnition as an esports is that any promotion efforts by the publishers happened when it was the most unbalanced game ever to be played competitivly (i remember german EPS having 13/16 players playing tyranid or something until patch 1.4.2)...

with chaos rising and to some extent retribution it got a lot better and a lot more balanced, but without any support (no prizemoney tournaments) it was just there to slowly die.

atm i can´t find a game at my mmr at all under 10 mins, rofl...
crazyman64335
Profile Joined July 2010
United States7 Posts
May 12 2013 19:34 GMT
#17
On May 13 2013 04:20 cythaze wrote:
Reason why this got no regocnition as an esports is that any promotion efforts by the publishers happened when it was the most unbalanced game ever to be played competitivly (i remember german EPS having 13/16 players playing tyranid or something until patch 1.4.2)...

with chaos rising and to some extent retribution it got a lot better and a lot more balanced, but without any support (no prizemoney tournaments) it was just there to slowly die.

atm i can´t find a game at my mmr at all under 10 mins, rofl...

yes finding matches is terribly annoying, steam chat particularly helpful in that regard. Elite mod is fairly populated and i can usually find a match in under 5 minutes almost always. Elite Mod also balanced out a ton of problems in the vanilla retribution and as for the no tournaments, there were 2 last month alone. i participated in one.
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crazyman64335
Profile Joined July 2010
United States7 Posts
May 12 2013 19:35 GMT
#18
On May 13 2013 03:22 murphs wrote:
Anyway welcome to TL crazyman, it's not always this rough I assure you.

haha thanks, i've apparently been on team liquid for some time now, but actually never knew it. thank god for password reset.
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
May 12 2013 19:49 GMT
#19
100% pink or 100% silver armies, as every 12 year old player designed theirs, got old really fucking fast
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
May 12 2013 19:55 GMT
#20
I used to actually cast competitive Dawn of War 2 with Lokgar on oldschool iCCupTV, there was a decent amount of interest but a lot of the 'top' players moved on to other games. Retribution brought some of them back but it was kind of short lived.
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