On June 26 2013 02:33 Stratos_speAr wrote: Why would you run a 360 over a PS3? Everyone uses those fighting pad controllers (so the 360's superior controller doesn't make a difference) and the PS3 is far more reliable.
The 360 controller is borderline unusable for fighting games. The dpad is awful, and even the switchable version isn't that much better.
It takes a few minutes for Wargaming's CEO Victor Kislyi to warm up, but once he gets into the flow of the interview - today we're discussing free-to-play World of Tanks for the Xbox 360 - he has to check himself on numerous occasions. The ink is just drying on a deal announced a couple of weeks ago, but it's clear from talking to Kislyi that Wargaming is taking the lead with this and will be giving Microsoft a crash course in the free-to-play business. Subtlety goes out of the window in a bid to get straight to the point.
"With Microsoft, unfortunately it's not 100 per cent free-to-play because it requires the Gold subscription to Xbox Live membership," explains Kislyi. "But that's a Microsoft requirement which is valid for us and for Activision and for EA and all other partners. They cannot drop it for us because they would have to drop it for everyone and it would be a total mess for them.
"This we have to tolerate, which I am not happy about. I would rather add another 30-40 million non-golden members and they will monetise occasionally," he says.
Wargaming moves very fast. Over the past 18 months it has more than doubled its size to 1600 members of staff. In August last year it bought engine maker BigWorld so it didn't have to wait around in a queue with the rest of the middleware clients. The company sets a target, puts its foot down and rolls forward on heavy tracks. But this move to console, and the barriers enforced by Microsoft, could put the brakes on Wargaming's console ambitions. Or at least slow it down enough to frustrate its vocal and animated CEO.
"Microsoft announced for Xbox One - thank God - they are moving to real currency. We will teach - excuse me - we will advise them on how to embrace, sometime in the future, different payment methods like SMS. Right now, it's only credit cards used to buy Microsoft Points which we know is suicide in free-to-play."
They must be glad they went with the Box instead of Playstation 4. Would have totally sucked for them to have had online and not require the PS+. Although myself have no interest in the game, I just find it funny that he does not like the fact that there is essentially a subscription for the F2P game while had they gone with Playstation 4, they could have avoided that.
So go out there folks and "Command your tank!" lol.
On June 24 2013 05:57 woody60707 wrote: So the whole rumour about the Timed demos on the family share was false. MS has generated so much hate over there XBone, people will believe anything bad about it now.
Can we please be honest about this? No one knows anything about the family share thing, I'm even sure MS was even going back and forth on a ton of shit. Which is why they never said anything "concrete" about the feature and you had so many separate things being said about the feature from MS themselves. They never demo'd it in real time and nothing was finalized other than calling it "family share". Nobody will know exactly what it was or is meant to be until they eventually implement. So all the positives and negatives about a system that never existed is completely pointless. That includes people "hating" on it and people now wishing MS continued with it.
Everything is PR bullshit until I see a fully functioning system in the hands of the consumer with "family share" enabled. Only then can people make up their minds if it's a positive or a negative. A feature like "family share" sounds absolutely great as a general concept but, the devil is always in the details with programs/features like that. Especially when it could've opened a huge can of worms if not implemented properly.
This is what happens when a company tip-toes with their information. If information is given out in snippets and general confusion as a whole, it will lead to masses of people trying to fill the void with whatever they find. Microsoft could have been more upfront with their information but instead they chose not to and this is the result.
Tell that to Sony, the fault with Microsoft is that they got off on a bad foot. So now everyone just assumes and accepts it's worse and worse. Sony has been just as vague about shit but no one assumes the worst or complains too much because they didn't start off bad.
"The fault of Microsoft is that they off on a bad foot"... lol, that is a pretty sad excuse and defense of Microsoft. I just love how the defense of Microsoft by people now seems to put the blame on the consumer base. Perhaps it is a distortion of reality or something but it is getting to be pretty sad.
The reason why they had a bad start was because they did an atrocious job of giving us information, they did an atrocious job of explaining that information, and they did an atrocious job of screwing over thousands of it tens-of-thousands of people with their new policy. This is not about people merely complaining, Microsoft was doing horribly when it comes to preorders in comparison to Sony. Like I have said before and will say now, this is entirely and wholeheartedly Microsoft's fault, period.
Well the point is when given ambiguous information, inquire more about it instead of making the worst-case assumptions which a large number of very vocal people then, which then exacerbated the ambiguity beyond repair, prompting Microsoft to remove the features that could have also held some promise. I'm not justifying the behavior of Microsoft's failure to market the product since that was actually fucking bad, but again with understanding people it's more wait for things to settle down and clear, instead of jumping right to "Microsoft is screwing us in the ass."
Everything that Microsoft has done with the Xbox One has been justified, as I've been commenting on since the beginning of the reveal. There isn't really anything that doesn't have some possible logical reasoning behind it. Perhaps you're just not a fan of Kinect. Then okay, but there are potential use cases for it, as there is for SmartGlass, and used games restrictions. It's just that a huge number of people just didn't want to listen to it at the beginning, and in the last week or so, the actual "more-informed" opinions aren't being drowned out over and over again by the swarms of console gamers.
My biggest issue is that actually as consumers we act so entitled as to in some cases actually believe we know much better what to do than a multi-billion dollar company. For the most part, most of us all follow market trends. It is companies that try to predict and promote newer market trends in order to capitalize on that. I'm not advocating blind change, but when it's pretty clear that a lot of companies have this integration/motion development in mind, it's annoying to see people so resistant to the newer ideas. Not only that, it's also frustrating that as a consumer, when you don't like a product it ends up being a huge bashing party instead of accepting its flaws and moving on. Take a look at a lot of "Razer" haters and you see a similar pattern. When you're criticizing a product, you look at the mutual benefits and deficits of both and compare them based on that, but the vast majority of consumer attitudes towards the Xbox One since the reveal was not of criticism, but of ridicule, because as gamers we felt so entitled as to personally attack a product for not being exactly like we wanted it to be, instead of accepting it and moving on. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at this, but I'm only just realizing how deep this kind of behavior goes in many different areas and it's actually really frustrating, especially when there are some things about the product that you like, and other people drown out your thoughts in ridicule and contempt. Yes, it's a big product released by a big name and you would like them to get on a good vibe with consumers, but at the end of the day the amount of pure hatred for Microsoft is a bit baffling and frustrating to me (and Microsoft very likely).
This is the reasoning behind why "consumers are stupid", if that makes sense. People justifying their pure hatred and contempt by saying, "they deserve it". It's just... really?
/rant
It truly come down to the pro and cons of owning an xbox1. Microsoft can do what ever they want and give us as much restriction as they want but they MUST give us enough desirable feature to offset these restriction they impose on us. My biggest problem is that all the pros that come with the xbox1 just feels like more restriction. Make a list of all the pros and con and you can easily tell that the con will outweigh the pros for MOST gamer. The fact that gamer are forced to buy a console they do not want to play their favorite game exclusive for it is what make them rally up like mobs attacking the xbox1.
My point with my post is you're never in any case ever forced to buy any console, ever. If you don't like the console or the company behind it, don't buy the product, but a lot of people feel very entitled that they should control the product that Microsoft has produced and that they should decide on the features or how it works. There's no forcing you to buy here. Putting your favourite game as an exclusive for the console is supposed to be considered a "feature" of the console, something that will make you more likely to buy it. If the games you want are locked to a console you don't want, then it's honestly, "suck it up", not "tell the company to change their console to fit your needs so you would buy it". You can suggest it to them or express your discontent, but what gamers have done against the Xbox One was really overboard in that they tried to destroy the product, and slander the company, just for releasing a product they didn't like or support? That's what I've been trying to say for the past while.
Anyways, some other interviews from Wired.
He mentions it's trying to reinforce that the Xbox One is more of an entertainment box.
My point with my post is you're never in any case ever forced to buy any console, ever. If you don't like the console or the company behind it, don't buy the product, but a lot of people feel very entitled that they should control the product that Microsoft has produced and that they should decide on the features or how it works. There's no forcing you to buy here. Putting your favourite game as an exclusive for the console is supposed to be considered a "feature" of the console, something that will make you more likely to buy it. If the games you want are locked to a console you don't want, then it's honestly, "suck it up", not "tell the company to change their console to fit your needs so you would buy it". You can suggest it to them or express your discontent, but what gamers have done against the Xbox One was really overboard in that they tried to destroy the product, and slander the company, just for releasing a product they didn't like or support? That's what I've been trying to say for the past while.
He mentions it's trying to reinforce that the Xbox One is more of an entertainment box.
You mis-understand the relationship between consumer and company. They deliver something we want, we buy it because we like it. If we don't like it we don't buy it and tell them what we want instead. Company listens and changes and makes what the consumer wants. That's what happened here. What this company did was so overboard in what the consumer didn't want that we did everything in our power to stop this from happening at all costs. We were successful and we won't have to deal with this kind of problem for awhile.
What Microsoft was trying to do was undefendable and the VAST majority of people hated them for even trying they were so out of line with reality. What happened here will teach others not to ignore gamers and the power we hold.
On June 26 2013 14:33 Blisse wrote: My point with my post is you're never in any case ever forced to buy any console, ever. If you don't like the console or the company behind it, don't buy the product, but a lot of people feel very entitled that they should control the product that Microsoft has produced and that they should decide on the features or how it works. There's no forcing you to buy here. Putting your favourite game as an exclusive for the console is supposed to be considered a "feature" of the console, something that will make you more likely to buy it. If the games you want are locked to a console you don't want, then it's honestly, "suck it up", not "tell the company to change their console to fit your needs so you would buy it". You can suggest it to them or express your discontent, but what gamers have done against the Xbox One was really overboard in that they tried to destroy the product, and slander the company, just for releasing a product they didn't like or support? That's what I've been trying to say for the past while.
What you're saying is, quite frankly, stupid.
Your first sentence says it exactly. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
A huge percentage of the market said they didn't like it, so they wouldn't buy it.
Microsoft decided they did, in fact, want people to buy it. So they changed their product
On June 26 2013 14:33 Blisse wrote: My point with my post is you're never in any case ever forced to buy any console, ever. If you don't like the console or the company behind it, don't buy the product, but a lot of people feel very entitled that they should control the product that Microsoft has produced and that they should decide on the features or how it works. There's no forcing you to buy here. Putting your favourite game as an exclusive for the console is supposed to be considered a "feature" of the console, something that will make you more likely to buy it. If the games you want are locked to a console you don't want, then it's honestly, "suck it up", not "tell the company to change their console to fit your needs so you would buy it". You can suggest it to them or express your discontent, but what gamers have done against the Xbox One was really overboard in that they tried to destroy the product, and slander the company, just for releasing a product they didn't like or support? That's what I've been trying to say for the past while.
What you're saying is, quite frankly, stupid.
Your first sentence says it exactly. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
A huge percentage of the market said they didn't like it, so they wouldn't buy it.
Microsoft decided they did, in fact, want people to buy it. So they changed their product
So what exactly are you complaining about?
Just complaining about people that had a good reason to complain about the xbox. Some of the defenders of Microsoft act like its a big loss that you can play your games offline and can turn the kinect off from the internet so you aren't part of the behind the scenes marketing program Microsoft is doing to the people that will always allow it to call home to send whatever data they want from the xbox.
On June 26 2013 14:33 Blisse wrote: My point with my post is you're never in any case ever forced to buy any console, ever. If you don't like the console or the company behind it, don't buy the product, but a lot of people feel very entitled that they should control the product that Microsoft has produced and that they should decide on the features or how it works. There's no forcing you to buy here. Putting your favourite game as an exclusive for the console is supposed to be considered a "feature" of the console, something that will make you more likely to buy it. If the games you want are locked to a console you don't want, then it's honestly, "suck it up", not "tell the company to change their console to fit your needs so you would buy it". You can suggest it to them or express your discontent, but what gamers have done against the Xbox One was really overboard in that they tried to destroy the product, and slander the company, just for releasing a product they didn't like or support? That's what I've been trying to say for the past while.
What you're saying is, quite frankly, stupid.
Your first sentence says it exactly. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
A huge percentage of the market said they didn't like it, so they wouldn't buy it.
Microsoft decided they did, in fact, want people to buy it. So they changed their product
So what exactly are you complaining about?
Just complaining about people that had a good reason to complain about the xbox. Some of the defenders of Microsoft act like its a big loss that you can play your games offline and can turn the kinect off from the internet so you aren't part of the behind the scenes marketing program Microsoft is doing to the people that will always allow it to call home to send whatever data they want from the xbox.
No, basically complaining about people like you who continue to blindly attack Microsoft for somehow collecting your user data without consent. I have no qualms with people who actually have arguments and actually don't like the product. But when you 1. act like the company owes you a favour with their product, and 2. continually slander the company for actions that haven't even happened yet in the interest of "security" when rationally, like how MS has been doing all the time, they will always request if you want to send user data to improve their product. It's a pathetic argument people like you continue to bring up.
Microsoft changed their policy in response to the backlash that would've crippled their Xbox brand. They didn't respond because "the consumer" was somehow correct in their allegations or beliefs, or at the very least, they care about public opinion only so far as it benefits them to do so, not because they believe your hatred of their features was correct.
What this company did was so overboard in what the consumer didn't want that we did everything in our power to stop this from happening at all costs. We were successful and we won't have to deal with this kind of problem for awhile.
This logic makes no sense to me. Yes, you're the consumer and technically you're part of their target audience. But if clearly the product is not targetting you since you don't like the features, then you're not the target, and thus you shouldn't care about the product? My point is, you're changing a product that wasn't targetting you in order for it to target you. But what you used wasn't feedback, but your opinion about what you want, because you felt entitled to get what you want. Yeah, you're going to use some argument about how companies should make things people want. Well, companies also make things people are going to want, and in any case a good number of people already wanted the features they announced, so you can kind of see where the friction comes from.
The problem with the VAST majority of people hating them for it, is ... why? If you don't like it, what on Earth is forcing you to hate it? It's in no way telling you to buy it or use it, unless you like it. Suppose for an example, I wanted to buy a program out of 2: one was really shitty and one wasn't so shitty. What compels me to hate one? What compels me to bring the entire Internet down on it and find ways to slander the company that made the shittier one? It boggles my mind.
Also, that's not how the relationship works between a company and the consumer. The company thinks of what the consumer wants, makes something, then takes in feedback and changes if it decides it likes what it's listening to and it knows it's right. What happened here was the company getting completely blown to bits by what they thought (and frankly knew) was a good future-proofing product with features before it ever even got out to market for actual feedback, and then the company revising its strategy because it lost way too much trying to do something it wanted.
On June 26 2013 14:33 Blisse wrote:My point with my post is you're never in any case ever forced to buy any console, ever. If you don't like the console or the company behind it, don't buy the product, but a lot of people feel very entitled that they should control the product that Microsoft has produced and that they should decide on the features or how it works. There's no forcing you to buy here. Putting your favourite game as an exclusive for the console is supposed to be considered a "feature" of the console, something that will make you more likely to buy it. If the games you want are locked to a console you don't want, then it's honestly, "suck it up", not "tell the company to change their console to fit your needs so you would buy it". You can suggest it to them or express your discontent, but what gamers have done against the Xbox One was really overboard in that they tried to destroy the product, and slander the company, just for releasing a product they didn't like or support? That's what I've been trying to say for the past while.
And that is what happened... Microsoft did not change their mind just because people were outraged with the policies. If the Box was beating the Playstation 4 even with all the outrage, you can be certain that nothing would have changed. But that was not the case, the Box was falling behind the Playstation 4 across the globe. Microsoft reversed their policies and that is where we are now.
So the people voted with their wallets and this is the result. If people want the changes back, if people want everything back, vote with their wallets and show Microsoft that they are not happy.
My point with my post is you're never in any case ever forced to buy any console, ever. If you don't like the console or the company behind it, don't buy the product, but a lot of people feel very entitled that they should control the product that Microsoft has produced and that they should decide on the features or how it works. There's no forcing you to buy here. Putting your favourite game as an exclusive for the console is supposed to be considered a "feature" of the console, something that will make you more likely to buy it. If the games you want are locked to a console you don't want, then it's honestly, "suck it up", not "tell the company to change their console to fit your needs so you would buy it". You can suggest it to them or express your discontent, but what gamers have done against the Xbox One was really overboard in that they tried to destroy the product, and slander the company, just for releasing a product they didn't like or support? That's what I've been trying to say for the past while.
He mentions it's trying to reinforce that the Xbox One is more of an entertainment box.
Your right when you say people are not forced to buy the console because they dont like it. Microsoft also has the right to not change their console to please the people but in the end they did because they know if they dont change then they will lose the console war and dug themself an early grave. They change because they had to change, not because a few whiny people. Gamer wouldnt be so negative if microsoft was able to present their statement better and not make everything seem like restriction into more restriction into even more restriction. Even when they say good stuff about the console, it feels like more restriction which is the reason why everyone is so mad at microsoft for acting like a dictator. Microsoft was probably expecting much critisim for their xbox1 but I am sure they probably did not expect it to this extent.
Did gamer go too far in slandering Microsoft? No, they wanted to show their discontent for microsoft shitty DRM and all the other crap the xbox1 gives. If microsoft was going to take away the right to share game and go DRM, they MUST give something that much outweigh the cost of this. Honestly, microsoft was not able to show that they were capable to do this. If microsoft was able to get away with this, then it showed what the future of gaming is like and I am sure many gamer did not like where the future is going and that is why they attacked microsoft. I am sure microsoft is right and this is the future but they are 5 year too soon for this and the world is not prepare for this and they also did it very poorly.
On June 26 2013 14:33 Blisse wrote: My point with my post is you're never in any case ever forced to buy any console, ever. If you don't like the console or the company behind it, don't buy the product, but a lot of people feel very entitled that they should control the product that Microsoft has produced and that they should decide on the features or how it works. There's no forcing you to buy here. Putting your favourite game as an exclusive for the console is supposed to be considered a "feature" of the console, something that will make you more likely to buy it. If the games you want are locked to a console you don't want, then it's honestly, "suck it up", not "tell the company to change their console to fit your needs so you would buy it". You can suggest it to them or express your discontent, but what gamers have done against the Xbox One was really overboard in that they tried to destroy the product, and slander the company, just for releasing a product they didn't like or support? That's what I've been trying to say for the past while.
What you're saying is, quite frankly, stupid.
Your first sentence says it exactly. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
A huge percentage of the market said they didn't like it, so they wouldn't buy it.
Microsoft decided they did, in fact, want people to buy it. So they changed their product
So what exactly are you complaining about?
Just complaining about people that had a good reason to complain about the xbox. Some of the defenders of Microsoft act like its a big loss that you can play your games offline and can turn the kinect off from the internet so you aren't part of the behind the scenes marketing program Microsoft is doing to the people that will always allow it to call home to send whatever data they want from the xbox.
No, basically complaining about people like you who continue to blindly attack Microsoft for somehow collecting your user data without consent. I have no qualms with people who actually have arguments and actually don't like the product. But when you 1. act like the company owes you a favour with their product, and 2. continually slander the company for actions that haven't even happened yet in the interest of "security" when rationally, like how MS has been doing all the time, they will always request if you want to send user data to improve their product. It's a pathetic argument people like you continue to bring up.
Microsoft changed their policy in response to the backlash that would've crippled their Xbox brand. They didn't respond because "the consumer" was somehow correct in their allegations or beliefs, or at the very least, they care about public opinion only so far as it benefits them to do so, not because they believe your hatred of their features was correct.
What this company did was so overboard in what the consumer didn't want that we did everything in our power to stop this from happening at all costs. We were successful and we won't have to deal with this kind of problem for awhile.
This logic makes no sense to me. Yes, you're the consumer and technically you're part of their target audience. But if clearly the product is not targetting you since you don't like the features, then you're not the target, and thus you shouldn't care about the product? My point is, you're changing a product that wasn't targetting you in order for it to target you. But what you used wasn't feedback, but your opinion about what you want, because you felt entitled to get what you want. Yeah, you're going to use some argument about how companies should make things people want. Well, companies also make things people are going to want, and in any case a good number of people already wanted the features they announced, so you can kind of see where the friction comes from.
The problem with the VAST majority of people hating them for it, is ... why? If you don't like it, what on Earth is forcing you to hate it? It's in no way telling you to buy it or use it, unless you like it. Suppose for an example, I wanted to buy a program out of 2: one was really shitty and one wasn't so shitty. What compels me to hate one? What compels me to bring the entire Internet down on it and find ways to slander the company that made the shittier one? It boggles my mind.
Also, that's not how the relationship works between a company and the consumer. The company thinks of what the consumer wants, makes something, then takes in feedback and changes if it decides it likes what it's listening to and it knows it's right. What happened here was the company getting completely blown to bits by what they thought (and frankly knew) was a good future-proofing product with features before it ever even got out to market for actual feedback, and then the company revising its strategy because it lost way too much trying to do something it wanted.
They did what THEY wanted but they were not able to give enough to compensate for what they were taking away from the gamer. They should of known how badly this was going to be in the eye of the public and they should of been prepared to take responsibililty for this. What could they have done? Cheaper game due to installation or promise of better sales kinda like steam sales or other features. Their targeted consumer are all previous xbox 360 owner and hopefully to attract other gamer. They failed in all these area. I dont think people are particularly angry or hate microsoft. I think they just think that it was so unbelieveable that microsoft can be this stupid to convince us to buy their product when they impose so much restriction so they have just become a big joke. Maybe loyal xbox fan might be for feeling betrayed that microsoft sounds like a dictator.
On June 26 2013 16:35 BoZiffer wrote: I'm excited for the new Kinect. And the PS4...and the Xbox One. I am happy...
The new kinect should work a lot better for most people now that min distance is down to 3 feet it will fit in small rooms alot better.
Agreed. You know what I really want, is to be able to use a golf simulator in the winter in my living room with the new Kinect. How flippin sweet would that be...
On June 26 2013 14:33 Blisse wrote: My point with my post is you're never in any case ever forced to buy any console, ever. If you don't like the console or the company behind it, don't buy the product, but a lot of people feel very entitled that they should control the product that Microsoft has produced and that they should decide on the features or how it works. There's no forcing you to buy here. Putting your favourite game as an exclusive for the console is supposed to be considered a "feature" of the console, something that will make you more likely to buy it. If the games you want are locked to a console you don't want, then it's honestly, "suck it up", not "tell the company to change their console to fit your needs so you would buy it". You can suggest it to them or express your discontent, but what gamers have done against the Xbox One was really overboard in that they tried to destroy the product, and slander the company, just for releasing a product they didn't like or support? That's what I've been trying to say for the past while.
What you're saying is, quite frankly, stupid.
Your first sentence says it exactly. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
A huge percentage of the market said they didn't like it, so they wouldn't buy it.
Microsoft decided they did, in fact, want people to buy it. So they changed their product
So what exactly are you complaining about?
Just complaining about people that had a good reason to complain about the xbox. Some of the defenders of Microsoft act like its a big loss that you can play your games offline and can turn the kinect off from the internet so you aren't part of the behind the scenes marketing program Microsoft is doing to the people that will always allow it to call home to send whatever data they want from the xbox.
No, basically complaining about people like you who continue to blindly attack Microsoft for somehow collecting your user data without consent. I have no qualms with people who actually have arguments and actually don't like the product. But when you 1. act like the company owes you a favour with their product, and 2. continually slander the company for actions that haven't even happened yet in the interest of "security" when rationally, like how MS has been doing all the time, they will always request if you want to send user data to improve their product. It's a pathetic argument people like you continue to bring up.
Microsoft changed their policy in response to the backlash that would've crippled their Xbox brand. They didn't respond because "the consumer" was somehow correct in their allegations or beliefs, or at the very least, they care about public opinion only so far as it benefits them to do so, not because they believe your hatred of their features was correct.
What this company did was so overboard in what the consumer didn't want that we did everything in our power to stop this from happening at all costs. We were successful and we won't have to deal with this kind of problem for awhile.
This logic makes no sense to me. Yes, you're the consumer and technically you're part of their target audience. But if clearly the product is not targetting you since you don't like the features, then you're not the target, and thus you shouldn't care about the product? My point is, you're changing a product that wasn't targetting you in order for it to target you. But what you used wasn't feedback, but your opinion about what you want, because you felt entitled to get what you want. Yeah, you're going to use some argument about how companies should make things people want. Well, companies also make things people are going to want, and in any case a good number of people already wanted the features they announced, so you can kind of see where the friction comes from.
The problem with the VAST majority of people hating them for it, is ... why? If you don't like it, what on Earth is forcing you to hate it? It's in no way telling you to buy it or use it, unless you like it. Suppose for an example, I wanted to buy a program out of 2: one was really shitty and one wasn't so shitty. What compels me to hate one? What compels me to bring the entire Internet down on it and find ways to slander the company that made the shittier one? It boggles my mind.
Also, that's not how the relationship works between a company and the consumer. The company thinks of what the consumer wants, makes something, then takes in feedback and changes if it decides it likes what it's listening to and it knows it's right. What happened here was the company getting completely blown to bits by what they thought (and frankly knew) was a good future-proofing product with features before it ever even got out to market for actual feedback, and then the company revising its strategy because it lost way too much trying to do something it wanted.
I don't know what you're going on about and why you are defending Microsoft so much but MS was so fucking out of touch with their customer base that they should have gotten blown to bits. They were just testing the water for how much they could screw over the consumer and it blew right back in their faces. No one fucking wants HAL to be staring at them when they play games, nor online connectivity. These features were purely beneficial to MS and they acted like they didn't know about it which pisses me and a lot of other people off. They should have been much more transparent about it, instead they keep trying to sell this cock and bull story about hurr durr new age of gaming. Hell even I would have conjured up a better marketing sham to try and justify such ridiculous features.
Your dad or some relative must work at MS. I don't understand why you are defending MS so much.
I guess here's the question for those that screamed bloody murder about the Xboxone and couldn't have patience for their ecosystem to mature before buying into it.
Now that they have changed their stance, will you buy it now? TB i know asked this a few times in his videos after the checkin change in stance.
I mean seriously, what right does a non-consumer of the product have to complain about when they are not going to be a consumer anyway?
We wanted to be fair, so I guess, let's be fair right?
I was interested in the Xboxone but I never planned on buying it at launch. I still don't. What really piqued my interest was the family share plan and digital file locker of disc purchases. But they have 24 hour check in and region lock which basically cut me off. Region lock is gone but so is the family share. I wish that could come back in some form, even limited to 5 from 10. I don't mind. Because I have family overseas and we could essentially have a shared library which is pretty nice for me. That is the most benefit I see in that train of thought. But again, I don't buy consoles at launch because I have a wait and see attitude when it comes to where its direction is ACTUALLY headed for and the price drops are what I am after.
On June 26 2013 14:33 Blisse wrote: My point with my post is you're never in any case ever forced to buy any console, ever. If you don't like the console or the company behind it, don't buy the product, but a lot of people feel very entitled that they should control the product that Microsoft has produced and that they should decide on the features or how it works. There's no forcing you to buy here. Putting your favourite game as an exclusive for the console is supposed to be considered a "feature" of the console, something that will make you more likely to buy it. If the games you want are locked to a console you don't want, then it's honestly, "suck it up", not "tell the company to change their console to fit your needs so you would buy it". You can suggest it to them or express your discontent, but what gamers have done against the Xbox One was really overboard in that they tried to destroy the product, and slander the company, just for releasing a product they didn't like or support? That's what I've been trying to say for the past while.
What you're saying is, quite frankly, stupid.
Your first sentence says it exactly. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
A huge percentage of the market said they didn't like it, so they wouldn't buy it.
Microsoft decided they did, in fact, want people to buy it. So they changed their product
So what exactly are you complaining about?
Just complaining about people that had a good reason to complain about the xbox. Some of the defenders of Microsoft act like its a big loss that you can play your games offline and can turn the kinect off from the internet so you aren't part of the behind the scenes marketing program Microsoft is doing to the people that will always allow it to call home to send whatever data they want from the xbox.
No, basically complaining about people like you who continue to blindly attack Microsoft for somehow collecting your user data without consent. I have no qualms with people who actually have arguments and actually don't like the product. But when you 1. act like the company owes you a favour with their product, and 2. continually slander the company for actions that haven't even happened yet in the interest of "security" when rationally, like how MS has been doing all the time, they will always request if you want to send user data to improve their product. It's a pathetic argument people like you continue to bring up.
Microsoft changed their policy in response to the backlash that would've crippled their Xbox brand. They didn't respond because "the consumer" was somehow correct in their allegations or beliefs, or at the very least, they care about public opinion only so far as it benefits them to do so, not because they believe your hatred of their features was correct.
So? Microsoft wasn't forced to change their minds, either. Show us ONE picture of a gun, a knife, a noose, etc. being used to compel MS to change their DRM policies. There isn't one, just like MS didn't force anything on their customers.
The DRM stance is understandable for me but too strict. That is my point. I want it to check in every login when internet is available. And should I have violated by installing pirated games, sold a game but not uninstall it on my system etc etc, then a prompt will block that game permanently from my account unless I uninstall the data from hdd or purchase online only to unlock the game for my account. How about that for fair?
If I don't login to the internet, then the check won't happen but I can't be stopped from using the box anyway I want.
It is fairly easy to require you to login to "update" your system as well to run a new generation game say a year or two down the road so you will need to login a certain minimum.
You can't perfectly prevent piracy but there I think are humane ways to go about it without completely locking you at after a day from everything.
On June 26 2013 17:43 17Sphynx17 wrote: I guess here's the question for those that screamed bloody murder about the Xboxone and couldn't have patience for their ecosystem to mature before buying into it.
Now that they have changed their stance, will you buy it now? TB i know asked this a few times in his videos after the checkin change in stance.
I mean seriously, what right does a non-consumer of the product have to complain about when they are not going to be a consumer anyway?
We wanted to be fair, so I guess, let's be fair right?
I was interested in the Xboxone but I never planned on buying it at launch. I still don't. What really piqued my interest was the family share plan and digital file locker of disc purchases. But they have 24 hour check in and region lock which basically cut me off. Region lock is gone but so is the family share. I wish that could come back in some form, even limited to 5 from 10. I don't mind. Because I have family overseas and we could essentially have a shared library which is pretty nice for me. That is the most benefit I see in that train of thought. But again, I don't buy consoles at launch because I have a wait and see attitude when it comes to where its direction is ACTUALLY headed for and the price drops are what I am after.
Well it did change people's mind on the subject since prior to the reversal, the preorder sales were pretty bad compared to the Playstation 4. Since the change, the Box increased their preorders across the board.
It pains me how awesomely capable the new Kinect is, and how they've only marketed it with the stupid Sports Rivals trailer (which is mostly just CGI) and Doodle Jump. Imagine how hyped we'd be if Nintendo were the ones making ads for it.
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