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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
June 30 2013 02:08 GMT
#341
While waiting for Capcom/Main stream to set something up, Injustice top 8 4/8 Scorpions.

Is he that good or is it people not knowing him yet?
Forever Young
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
June 30 2013 02:12 GMT
#342
Most of the top players feel he is Akuma/SF2T level broken.
Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
June 30 2013 09:40 GMT
#343
He's undeniably broken, and makes me wonder how NRS does balance testing (if they do it at all).
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 10:25:28
June 30 2013 10:25 GMT
#344
On June 26 2013 05:56 Cel.erity wrote:
^ I don't get it.

Looks like someone has a shitty screen.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1936 Posts
June 30 2013 13:28 GMT
#345
On June 30 2013 18:40 Mannerheim wrote:
He's undeniably broken, and makes me wonder how NRS does balance testing (if they do it at all).


After Lobo coming out and being pretty bad, I assume they're going with the KoF strategy of making the DLC characters top tier so you want to buy them
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 30 2013 18:59 GMT
#346
Apparently Noel Brown was arrested last night? Does anyone know what that's about?
We found Dove in a soapless place.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 19:06:34
June 30 2013 19:06 GMT
#347
As someone who has been watching and playing SSF4AE for a while, can someone explain to me how I am supposed to understand what's happening when watching professional UMvC3?
EZ4ENCE
Lemstar
Profile Joined October 2010
United States387 Posts
June 30 2013 19:22 GMT
#348
On July 01 2013 04:06 WindWolf wrote:
As someone who has been watching and playing SSF4AE for a while, can someone explain to me how I am supposed to understand what's happening when watching professional UMvC3?

If a character gets hit clean, odds are that he's going to die.

Do you need any information about the mechanics?
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 30 2013 19:31 GMT
#349
On July 01 2013 04:06 WindWolf wrote:
As someone who has been watching and playing SSF4AE for a while, can someone explain to me how I am supposed to understand what's happening when watching professional UMvC3?


MvC3 is a simple game, it just feels complicated because there are so many setups and so much stuff flying on the screen. As long as you're only watching, you can boil the entire game down to controlling space and executing/defending against mixups. One player gets caught or mixed up and then dies to a 100% combo, repeat ad nauseum.

The saving grace of the game is that different matchups actually do play very differently, it's just difficult to notice this unless you actually play the game. And IMO, if you're only spectating, there are far better games you could dedicate your time to understanding which would provide more enjoyment from figuring them out.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 19:51:47
June 30 2013 19:47 GMT
#350
On July 01 2013 04:06 WindWolf wrote:
As someone who has been watching and playing SSF4AE for a while, can someone explain to me how I am supposed to understand what's happening when watching professional UMvC3?


Typical match flowchart:
1) Continuous low/overhead/crossup mixups
2) If something lands, touch-of-death combo
3) Extremely ambiguous mixup on incoming character
4) If it lands, touch-of-death combo, if not go back to 1

This is a perfect example of a game that's fun to watch but often extremely infuriating to play.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
June 30 2013 19:48 GMT
#351
On July 01 2013 04:31 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 04:06 WindWolf wrote:
As someone who has been watching and playing SSF4AE for a while, can someone explain to me how I am supposed to understand what's happening when watching professional UMvC3?


MvC3 is a simple game, it just feels complicated because there are so many setups and so much stuff flying on the screen. As long as you're only watching, you can boil the entire game down to controlling space and executing/defending against mixups. One player gets caught or mixed up and then dies to a 100% combo, repeat ad nauseum.

The saving grace of the game is that different matchups actually do play very differently, it's just difficult to notice this unless you actually play the game.

Ok, learning to understand what's happening by just watching is hard. I understood what's happening in Dota2 and SSF4AE when I started playing the games, just spectating doesn't take you the whole way

And IMO, if you're only spectating, there are far better games you could dedicate your time to understanding which would provide more enjoyment from figuring them out.

Well, I'm watching mostly SSF4AE and Dota2 (both whom I play on and off) when it comes to E-Sports, it was just that I one time had nothing better to do and watched some UMvC3 but understood absolutely nothing.
EZ4ENCE
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
June 30 2013 19:56 GMT
#352
On July 01 2013 03:59 Cel.erity wrote:
Apparently Noel Brown was arrested last night? Does anyone know what that's about?


http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Orange-County-FL/Noel-A-Brown.62830771.html

Apparently he hit his girlfriend??

UMVC3 is hard to learn just by watching, but once you can understand what is happening, the game does "slow down" a bit and becomes more enjoyable.
Lemstar
Profile Joined October 2010
United States387 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 20:03:20
June 30 2013 19:59 GMT
#353
I know what you're trying to get at in your post, but I feel obliged to point out that

On July 01 2013 04:31 Cel.erity wrote:
As long as you're only watching, you can boil the entire game down to controlling space and executing/defending against mixups.

This literally describes every fighting game.
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
June 30 2013 19:59 GMT
#354
By the way, are people still enjoying Injustice? All I needed to see was interactables and clash to know that this game wasn't for me. Now Scorpion(obviously a DC character right?) is just dominating the scene? What a great game Kappa.
Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 20:16:11
June 30 2013 20:12 GMT
#355
On July 01 2013 04:59 Looms wrote:
By the way, are people still enjoying Injustice? All I needed to see was interactables and clash to know that this game wasn't for me. Now Scorpion(obviously a DC character right?) is just dominating the scene? What a great game Kappa.


The Scorpion problem is somewhat the fault of tournament organizers (especially Evo), who for some reason decided to allow a just-released DLC character in the tournaments. I thought banning it would be a no-brainer until it's been out for at least a couple months and received proper balance tuning.

Or possibly NRS/WB gave them some money not to ban him, to promote the DLC. Who knows.
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
June 30 2013 20:18 GMT
#356
Marvel is so hype, definitely going to start playing again (its been a little while -_- ) Shit might have to take a trip to Vegas for EVO, its only a 4.5 hour drive!

Want to here more info on Noel, that sucks he caught a charge + Show Spoiler +
and obviously for his girl but this is a FGC thread not a Politically correct thread.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 20:20:21
June 30 2013 20:19 GMT
#357
Well, I have no idea about the case with Injustice, but I really like what IceFrog/Valve is doing with Dota/Dota2, they don't add new heros straight into CM (Captain's Mode, a draft mode that every tournament uses) unless they have undergone some testing. I think all kinds of game can learn a lesson from this.
EZ4ENCE
dranko
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden378 Posts
June 30 2013 20:36 GMT
#358
Are there brackets for CEO somewhere?
Dust14
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium490 Posts
June 30 2013 20:44 GMT
#359
On July 01 2013 05:36 dranko wrote:
Are there brackets for CEO somewhere?

http://challonge.com/users/police_me_kayo
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 30 2013 21:10 GMT
#360
On July 01 2013 04:59 Lemstar wrote:
I know what you're trying to get at in your post, but I feel obliged to point out that

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 04:31 Cel.erity wrote:
As long as you're only watching, you can boil the entire game down to controlling space and executing/defending against mixups.

This literally describes every fighting game.


That's not the point. He asked about understanding the game as a spectator, I was just trying to say that's all you need to know about MvC3 to watch it. Every game has space control and mixups, but I would argue there's a lot more to learn if you want to really get into watching and understanding a more complicated game.

On July 01 2013 04:59 Looms wrote:
By the way, are people still enjoying Injustice? All I needed to see was interactables and clash to know that this game wasn't for me. Now Scorpion(obviously a DC character right?) is just dominating the scene? What a great game Kappa.


I still like Injustice. Scorpion isn't dominating anything, this is his first presence at a tournament of any importance, the MK community is just full of complainers. As for the burst system, there's nothing wrong with it, except I don't like how meter can be cashed in for health so simply. It's a lot like Street Fighter; easy to pick up a character and play, but there's still enough depth to keep it interesting for at least a few years.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
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