On May 06 2021 22:53 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Sheesh. 10-20% is sad. I try to finish every game I have just because I paid for it lol. And they're usually the big franchise games, so they get finished all the time. Might not 100% complete with every trophy or whatever, but I get to the ending. That only 10-20% do that is just wasteful to me.
@Jock: It could be like EA/Bioware and Anthem. That hot fire. All I want is for CDPR to fix/include the cut content. That's it. If they can get that far, they'll be in good shape going forward. If they can get that NMS rebound, all good in the hood. And I haven't played an Ubisoft game knowingly in a long time.
Note that that number may not be as representative as one would assume. For example, a lot of COD titles have really low completion rates, simply because a lot of players buy them exclusively for multiplayer.
Similarly, i play a lot of turn-based strategy games hotseat with my wife. I rarely finish the campaigns of these games. So all of those would be in my "unfinished" group, despite me sometimes spending hundreds of hours in them.
And some games simply aren't as interesting in practice as they are in theory. If a game isn't really that fun to play, i won't force myself to finish it.
And, of course, there is the "bought a bundle of 10 games because i am interested in three of them" situation.
There are a lot of factors that may lead to you not finishing the campaign of a given game, and not all of them are "wasted money" situations.
I don't think I finish 10% of the games I start. Like the last third or so is mostly more of the same. If something catches my interest I'll play it for a while and then stop when other things catch my interest.
Considering I have like an hour of gaming time per day under the week and maybe 15 hours on the weekend there's no point in playing anything I don't find really interesting or is more of the same.
Tbf in games like StS it's hard to define what finishing even means. And most 4x games get really boring after you've become the strongest faction, so I have a lot of hours in these, but often no finished campaign.
That's true. I see it as: I'm interested in this single game. If I purchase it (get for free), I will finish it eventually. I can't see myself not finishing a game once installed unless I just get too busy or completely forget about it (looks at Bioshock). But at that point, I just uninstall it. Probably doesn't change the analytics much though.
There's also people not allowing analytics to be sent out, so the numbers may also be skewed in that regard as well. But yeah, I agree with your reasoning.
I would say I don't finish most games I start and I don't start most games I own (Humble Bundle monthly and a bunch of bundles sounds good on paper). I enjoy the new ideas/settings in games more than I enjoy actually playing them. Many games have great ideas and mechanics. They are not new 10 hours into the game though, need something else to get me through it at that point. They mostly lose me when there is a night in-between sessions, I simply do something else instead of loading the game up again.
A lot of games you cannot finish either. Multiplayer focused titles, ones with various skirmish modes being the main mode etc. Take something like Dota that has no campaign. Are you finished at 10k hours? At Immortal rank (<0.1% of players) or something else?
Well of course I don't count MMOs or multiplayer games. You can never really beat those. I mean The Last of Us, Uncharted, Ratchet. Those kind of games. Those to me, should be finished because it sets up for the next entry into the franchise. Bringing it back to CP2077, finishing the game and having the req SC should be priority as the DLC will (hopefully) require a certain level to be achieved in order to understand the next part of the story. I hope they also make it a req to complete a lot of the side gigs as those open up more pathways to explore Night City. So sure, a lot of games that people own probably never get played and some never get finished. But I still think 23.5% of people maxing SC in CP2077 is pretty good.
Fully agreed on the playthrough and max SC part. Again I think CP2077 is a great game, I went in with low expectations and it legitimately blew me away. I get why people are pissed, but so far I didn't have a boring minute. I haven't finished it yet because I want to play through all major missions first, but that tells a lot about how much I like this game.
I don't play a lot of franchises and the ones I do are mostly 4x games, so yeah. I also find most endings fairly unremarkable.
It just recently came back on PS Store as "Just Announced" So I'm assuming with the next patch, it'll be at a place where Sony will bring it back. If you have a PS5, I'd wait for that upgrade.
I feel like next month we'll get an updated roadmap and our first DLC. With what they did with this patch, they had to have put in some stuff that prepares the game for another massive update. I think this was just to quiet the roaring minority down. I could be wrong and it could be another 2 months before we hear anything, but I feel like 1.3 is going to be a beast. People have said that they've already done an update with the NPC clothing so you don't run into the same looking people as often. That's a big tell that there's some cosmetic DLC coming.
Also, 30GB isn't that bad if they deleted 30GB or so to replace it. What they tell us in the patch notes and what's actually in the game can be very different, so I'm assuming there's a lot of commented out stuff that isn't made ready for public release but they will unlock it with a smaller update or DLC.
All I'm saying, is wait for 1.3 to see what they give us. If it is bad, then drop the game completely.
On June 18 2021 17:00 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: All I'm saying, is wait for 1.3 to see what they give us. If it is bad, then drop the game completely.
I haven't really tried the game yet. Played for about 30-45min to go through the opening stuff to see what it's like and decided I need to give it a few months, maybe a year until most glaring issues have been fixed and some features I'd like to see are in.
I didn't criticize the game. Just stated from what I've seen so far in reviews and some videos is that I'll hold on from playing until I consider the game to be "finished" and in a state it should be at at release. Right now I don't think it's there yet.
At least on PC it definitely is there. It's far from a perfect game and sadly there could be so many things that could make it better, but everything that was intended to work seemed to work and the story and side story quests are pretty well done, some even very good.
As for things that game is lacking: Gang/faction reputation and joining gangs with some special gear vendors or similar; that would be cool even though as it currently is there are no real good guys and every faction has lots of murderers roaming the streets... but this one would have a large effect on how you would play the game.
Also there are some more things that need attention. The world is large, but there is not much you can do aside from questing and just killing/taking out bad guys. There should be some sort of interactions / mini games (see Gwent in Witcher) in many places such as the bars. It's sad how visiting bars and most vendors and in general most places is just an exploration thing and otherwise has no meaning.
On June 19 2021 15:54 HolydaKing wrote: At least on PC it definitely is there. It's far from a perfect game and sadly there could be so many things that could make it better, but everything that was intended to work seemed to work and the story and side story quests are pretty well done, some even very good.
As for things that game is lacking: Gang/faction reputation and joining gangs with some special gear vendors or similar; that would be cool even though as it currently is there are no real good guys and every faction has lots of murderers roaming the streets... but this one would have a large effect on how you would play the game.
Also there are some more things that need attention. The world is large, but there is not much you can do aside from questing and just killing/taking out bad guys. There should be some sort of interactions / mini games (see Gwent in Witcher) in many places such as the bars. It's sad how visiting bars and most vendors and in general most places is just an exploration thing and otherwise has no meaning.
I mean there's the connect the numbers game, which is as mini as it gets though. Other than that you could count racing or boxing. But they aren't really completely different gameplay, just a different focus.
You could argue that the game gives you the opportunity to join factions, i.e. Arasaka if you work with Takemura, Nomads if you work with Panam, Mox if you work with Judy f.e.. The game just doesn't have a reputation system, which honestly I don't mind too much, because rep farming is a drag in pretty much every RPG I played that had it.
Other than that yes, they could have locked cars f.e. behind reputation, but they even might lock them behind fixer rep, no idea what triggers them.
I agree that stuff like facelifter, car painter, cardgames all would have been icing on the cake, but the cake is very tasty nevertheless.
On June 19 2021 07:13 Manit0u wrote: I didn't criticize the game. Just stated from what I've seen so far in reviews and some videos is that I'll hold on from playing until I consider the game to be "finished" and in a state it should be at at release. Right now I don't think it's there yet.
35-45 minutes of gameplay and you quote a video saying "massive disappointment". That's criticism. Play the game. If you haven't gotten out of Watson (lockdown) you haven't seen the city or done half of half of what is offered.
People who crit a game they haven't put time into makes no sense. Horizon and The Last Of Us are the same way. you have to play the game to progress and be able to crit it. If you're basing the game off of third party narratives, then just don't comment. You're not speaking from experiencing the game.
Massive disappointment was me taking into the account that the game has been out for over 6 months now and barely anything has changed and some of the pretty bad bugs are still there.
If I compare this to some other games that had pretty messy and buggy releases like the 2 Necromunda games (Underhive Wars and Hired Gun, developed by 2 different studios) and the amount of bugfixes and updates they're receiving despite not being top sellers or being done by huge AAA studio it's staggering.
But let's take Underhive Wars as a better example since it's been out just a couple months longer than CP and Hired Gun has just released. Since October 2020 the game has received multiple hotfixes and big patches (like, 8 big patches fixing a lot of stuff requested by the community) and 2 DLC with additional content.
So please forgive me that I find it disappointing if a big studio that has hundreds of developers can't fix their game or deliver new content in a timely manner but small studio that's barely standing on its legs can.
What bad bugs are still there (if we are talking PC version)? There have been several large bugfix patches and I've played the story 2 1/2 times and most of the side quests and it felt pretty much bug free. Especially nothing I would consider a "bad" bug.
That being said I haven't read reddit or other community sites regarding Cyberpunk ever and my expectations were low to begin with so it wasn't hard for me to enjoy it. But like I said it's not perfect in my book, it's maybe a 8/10 and could have easily been a 10/10, but bugs aren't part of my rating since I barely had any (worst one I remember is a graphics bug that was fixed by a driver update and a gig not finishing).
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