EPTAbout your game ZeroChrome. It's possible for sure though you should've gone into Europe way faster. Those OPMs develop like crazy and cost me my 1-tag because of that. If you just want to do a wc though feeding vassals will work and you can make it.
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About your game ZeroChrome. It's possible for sure though you should've gone into Europe way faster. Those OPMs develop like crazy and cost me my 1-tag because of that. If you just want to do a wc though feeding vassals will work and you can make it. | ||
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edit: taking over CNs makes for ugly maps, and if you're not a follower of the church of Jake you can always avoid coring the european minors by going greyskin. | ||
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Canada1001 Posts
On November 22 2015 00:23 RvB wrote: Taking out the colonizers firsrt is a relic out of the past before we had colonial nations. Now you can take over their colonial nations easily by annexing the colonizer. Or in my world conquest I simply conquered everything in the new world. Most of the land doesn't give any OE and costs 1 or 2 warscore. After you core 5 provinces it won't matter anyway since the land goes to your CN and they have to core it. It will cost you a couple of decades at most when you're blobbed. About your game ZeroChrome. It's possible for sure though you should've gone into Europe way faster. Those OPMs develop like crazy and cost me my 1-tag because of that. If you just want to do a wc though feeding vassals will work and you can make it. Unfortunately I haven't had good admin rulers since the start of the game so I don't think I really could have gone into Europe early. Mewar blobbed out hard in India (+50% coring cost) and I had to eat them with a 1 admin king followed by a 5 year regency, definitely slowed me down a lot. I think normally I'd have given up at this point, but there was no Burgundian inheritance, no PLC, and Austria got killed early, so the European powers are pretty weak. Did you manage to get a normal WC in your 1-tag attempt? On November 21 2015 21:25 nothingmuch wrote: Most WCs (that aren't done by the utmost insane ubergosus) rely on taking out the colonizers asap. Every colony they finish is extra monarch points and time you need to spend. That being said, you're Ottomans, so yes, it's possible but you'll have a hard time. In this patch I don't think taking out the colonizers is necessary. You can annex 200 years worth of colonization in 1 peace deal at 0% OE, and then proclaim-revoke guarantee and fight the now colony-less overlord again in 5 years. | ||
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United States11320 Posts
On November 22 2015 08:54 ZeroChrome wrote: Unfortunately I haven't had good admin rulers since the start of the game so I don't think I really could have gone into Europe early. Mewar blobbed out hard in India (+50% coring cost) and I had to eat them with a 1 admin king followed by a 5 year regency, definitely slowed me down a lot. I think normally I'd have given up at this point, but there was no Burgundian inheritance, no PLC, and Austria got killed early, so the European powers are pretty weak. Did you manage to get a normal WC in your 1-tag attempt? In this patch I don't think taking out the colonizers is necessary. You can annex 200 years worth of colonization in 1 peace deal at 0% OE, and then proclaim-revoke guarantee and fight the now colony-less overlord again in 5 years. Wait how does proclaim/revoke guarantee work in terms of truces? | ||
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United States11320 Posts
On November 22 2015 13:11 nimbim wrote: If you guarantee and then revoke you get a 5year truce timer, overwriting any existing truce. You have to check for the truce in your own diplomacy view, the "guaranteed" country still keeps the former truce timer. Abuse it while you can, it will be fixed next patch. Fantabulous. My dream of a Byzantium one-tag is still alive! | ||
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Netherlands6203 Posts
On November 22 2015 03:18 nothingmuch wrote: Well, for one Cns only apply to the new world, you avoid quite a lot of hassle in Afrika and Asia by taking out the colonizers. Also there's no better or more important targets anyway- all the primary colonizers usually become huge lategame powers, mostly due, surprise, colonies. Taking them out (or at least their ability to colonize i.e. coast) removes your biggest obstacles while simultaneously gaining plenty of strength yourself (if you colonize yourself). Maybe it's not as mandatory as I made it out to be, but for any nation that can, I'm sure there is no better early objective. edit: taking over CNs makes for ugly maps, and if you're not a follower of the church of Jake you can always avoid coring the european minors by going greyskin. Africa and Asia are not realy a problem with Ottomans since you expand early enough there yourself. You're right that they're the best target. I took Guyenne out of France, Wien from Austria and cut off Muscovy from Siberia myself pretty early on to weaken them. I could hardly expand in Europe though since this was the 1.13? beta patch which was bugged and had ridiculous AE. Unfortunately I haven't had good admin rulers since the start of the game so I don't think I really could have gone into Europe early. Mewar blobbed out hard in India (+50% coring cost) and I had to eat them with a 1 admin king followed by a 5 year regency, definitely slowed me down a lot. I think normally I'd have given up at this point, but there was no Burgundian inheritance, no PLC, and Austria got killed early, so the European powers are pretty weak. Did you manage to get a normal WC in your 1-tag attempt? I had luck with admin rulers later on but I also had to deal with 3 or 4 regencies. I thought about quiting the run a couple of times myself but went on anyway. You'll be surprised at how fast you can conquer land the last few decades. I managed my WC pretty easily. Only had Denmark left as a vassal. Between coring and vassal feeding the conquest of Europe should be doable for you. Btw another tip is to not feed a vassal too much OE. They said they fixed the bug where a vassal with too much OE falls into a trap of stab hits and then has no admin to core lands but in my run that exact thing happened. I had to deal with 40k rebel stacks out of France for decades =/. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4725 Posts
I guess i want to know, if i need to not have peace truce with all leagues members (that would be insanse  ). I just dont know if i should wait or continue headbashing untill there is no protestan left in the empire (will that disolve league?). Only 7 heretic pricnes left (2 electors). Edit: its 1632 now, no diet happening yet. Edit2: It finally happed. I think i cant have peace treaty with leage leader but i am not sure. August 26, 1632 glorious day for the empire. | ||
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On November 28 2015 16:51 zulu_nation8 wrote: any advice for a Venice game? Tried a few times up to 1500s. I'm able to fend off Ottoman with Poland's help, diplo annexed Serbia, conqured Byzantium, Albania, Ragusa, Bosnia. Austria is a problem but I make sure to ally their rivals except they sometimes drag me into wars that are really bad for me. I take Plutocracy, Trade, then probably Religion or Humanism. I make sure to keep the Republic Tradition up, etc. Should I take exploration eventually? Do I need it to expand into India Ocean? Should I take out Austria first before expanding Southeast? Thanks. 1. Ally as many major powers as you can. Aragon, Austria, Castille, Poland etc. 2. Get military access to Ottomans (obviously if they rival you, you might be screwed unless you roll a general that can pull off the amphibious landing) 3. Declare on Byzantium, fully occupy, do not siege Athens 4. Wait for Ottomans to declare on Byzantium, wait until they have sieged Athens (so they can take it) and vassalize Byzantium. Call Result: Ottomans crippled, without the income from Constantinople/trade and their armies/fleets crushed they'll never snowball and can even completely collapse to the Mamluks. After you diploannex Byz you pretty much control the mediterranean trade. edit: this is my standard move for pretty much all European (mediterranean) nations (even with noCB this is so worth it), It works with pretty much any christian nation that can field enough troops to beat the byzantine starting army (8-9) even if you have no fleet at all, as you can just stroll into Ottoman land and attack Byzantium from there and then demand a beachhead in Anatolia in the peace deal of the war against Otto (since you vassalized Byzantium you can core provinces adjacent to their territory). Also it gives very little AE and only with inconsequential nations. I haven't tried it with Venice before and a quick test showed that Ottomans always start hostile, so you'll have to do the naval assault version ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2bqhYPQ.jpg) ...easiest Kebab removal of your life (could have easily done this before 1500, but got hit by a 12 year regency TT | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4Q7Yz3p.png) not even trying to utilize overseas core discount yeah that's right you can ally Poland with mutual rival within 10 years from game start now. I'm sure others can do much better with optimization, but consider that hordes can actually get ideas in 15th century now as well. craziness! | ||
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