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KingDime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada750 Posts
March 15 2013 14:09 GMT
#1061
I might speedrun it later, but not until I hit my goal of sub 2:10 "in mission time" for WoL (Turns out to about 2:25 RTA on my specific comp) so it could be a while. I don't want just a pretty good run, im looking for a great run before calling it quits. I will also start looking into restarting some maps as well to make sure I haven't exhausted my options.

But I know what you mean, having multiple people bringing information is extremely helpful in routing a run.
Doom Guy
Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 17:05:20
March 15 2013 14:45 GMT
#1062
HOTS GAMEPLAY SPOILER~
+ Show Spoiler +
I actually thought about it ... The only evolutions i really "need" are:
Ling (usually getting multi+insta spawn)
Roach (roachling spawn)

Hydras are not really needed but i like the long range single target lurkers in a few missions

Banelings .. Well I like the combination of kerrigans baneling spawn skill but i guess i could skip them and maybe use the heal skill of her instead or just live with the fact that they are worse? Then again kerrigans solo potential would be greatly hinderd

Mutalisk - Useless upgrade imo

Swarmhost - never built a single one

Ultralisk - well it takes alot of time to get them all :/

As for kerrigan skills i am currently also debating my build there.
I enjoy crushing grip and chain reaction especially combined with infestes broodlings they absolutly wreck everything.
Spawn Banelings absolutly tears through buildings and makes her a really strong one man army. Use banes to kill bunkers use grip to kill tanks / colossi etc kill rest with chain reaction which then spawns lots of banelings.

Twin drones is basicly a must in most mission as it speeds up the army building phase by alot and saves supply in the end game.

Now as for the final skill.. I havent found great use in the leviathan yet however drop pods are really useful in overwhelming bases and armageddon might have its use in a few missions.

I also prefer ling respawn over overlord supply but that might change.

As for armys i use mostly roach hydra queen compositions with ling reinforcements and kerrigan leading the charge landing her "snipes" everywhere.

Not sure if anyonr cares but feedback would be appreciated
Grandmaster Zerg from Switzerland!!! www.twitch.tv/railgan // www.twitter.com/railgansc // www.youtube.com/c/railgansc
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
March 15 2013 15:15 GMT
#1063
Guys not to be that guy or anything, but HotS just came out and not everyone has it/beaten it yet and discussing it here may not be the best idea unless you spoiler it. Yeah youre done with it and want to talk about it but you may end up spoiling something for someone else and thas just not cool man
Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1507 Posts
March 15 2013 15:16 GMT
#1064
Oh i am sorry i am currently on my phone i will spoiler the posts as soon as i get home didnt think of that
Grandmaster Zerg from Switzerland!!! www.twitch.tv/railgan // www.twitter.com/railgansc // www.youtube.com/c/railgansc
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
March 15 2013 15:18 GMT
#1065
Wasn't just you the end of the last page has some things that could be considered spoilers too
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2662 Posts
March 15 2013 15:23 GMT
#1066
I'm sorry but speedrun threads are all about finishing games. If you come into one without expecting spoilers you're being dumb.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1507 Posts
March 15 2013 15:28 GMT
#1067
Well but people maybe dont expect hots spoilers given the no spoiler policy all around various starcraft websites. I will spoiler it anyways just give me an hour or so. I am sorry for the trouble i've caused
Grandmaster Zerg from Switzerland!!! www.twitch.tv/railgan // www.twitter.com/railgansc // www.youtube.com/c/railgansc
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
March 15 2013 15:30 GMT
#1068
My point was the game just came out. Yes its a speedrunning thread, but commons sense should also reign especially when the game just came out. Its not that hard to spoiler tag things before you post just for the people that may not have finished yet since the game hasnt been out a week yet. Old games sure but the game literally just game out
Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 18:50:34
March 15 2013 17:34 GMT
#1069
never mind~
Grandmaster Zerg from Switzerland!!! www.twitch.tv/railgan // www.twitter.com/railgansc // www.youtube.com/c/railgansc
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
March 15 2013 21:03 GMT
#1070
On March 15 2013 13:11 Raelcun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 10:06 GreYMisT wrote:
On March 15 2013 09:26 Enema wrote:
Well I will do a Brutal HotS Speedrun soon

here an example
[image loading]

here are the splits
[image loading]

gonna be fun


Are you running this completing every mission or just any%?


There is no any% You have to complete every mission in order to finish the game. Also you just linked a mostly timed mission.

Also why are you even doing the swarm host and ultra evolutions? Pretty sure they don't gain enough time to merit doing them. And if you do Dominion space missions before you do the Stukov missions then you don't have infestors available for the rescue mission. Having infestors means you can just perma neural parasite tanks and thors and plow through the level faster.


Yea my question was phrased poorly, I meant do you have to do all of the evolution missions for the run, which i didnt think was the case.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
March 15 2013 21:06 GMT
#1071
On March 15 2013 23:45 Enema wrote:
HOTS GAMEPLAY SPOILER~
+ Show Spoiler +
I actually thought about it ... The only evolutions i really "need" are:
Ling (usually getting multi+insta spawn)
Roach (roachling spawn)

Hydras are not really needed but i like the long range single target lurkers in a few missions

Banelings .. Well I like the combination of kerrigans baneling spawn skill but i guess i could skip them and maybe use the heal skill of her instead or just live with the fact that they are worse? Then again kerrigans solo potential would be greatly hinderd

Mutalisk - Useless upgrade imo

Swarmhost - never built a single one

Ultralisk - well it takes alot of time to get them all :/

As for kerrigan skills i am currently also debating my build there.
I enjoy crushing grip and chain reaction especially combined with infestes broodlings they absolutly wreck everything.
Spawn Banelings absolutly tears through buildings and makes her a really strong one man army. Use banes to kill bunkers use grip to kill tanks / colossi etc kill rest with chain reaction which then spawns lots of banelings.

Twin drones is basicly a must in most mission as it speeds up the army building phase by alot and saves supply in the end game.

Now as for the final skill.. I havent found great use in the leviathan yet however drop pods are really useful in overwhelming bases and armageddon might have its use in a few missions.

I also prefer ling respawn over overlord supply but that might change.

As for armys i use mostly roach hydra queen compositions with ling reinforcements and kerrigan leading the charge landing her "snipes" everywhere.

Not sure if anyonr cares but feedback would be appreciated


I prefer overlord supply personally. has the potential to speed so much up i think.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
March 15 2013 21:13 GMT
#1072
Ground off more time off the GS1 100% WR - 4:50:50 + 47 hard resets (~4:54:45). Probably my last attempt until Werster starts making attempts at it.
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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
March 15 2013 21:37 GMT
#1073
On March 16 2013 06:06 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 23:45 Enema wrote:
HOTS GAMEPLAY SPOILER~
+ Show Spoiler +
I actually thought about it ... The only evolutions i really "need" are:
Ling (usually getting multi+insta spawn)
Roach (roachling spawn)

Hydras are not really needed but i like the long range single target lurkers in a few missions

Banelings .. Well I like the combination of kerrigans baneling spawn skill but i guess i could skip them and maybe use the heal skill of her instead or just live with the fact that they are worse? Then again kerrigans solo potential would be greatly hinderd

Mutalisk - Useless upgrade imo

Swarmhost - never built a single one

Ultralisk - well it takes alot of time to get them all :/

As for kerrigan skills i am currently also debating my build there.
I enjoy crushing grip and chain reaction especially combined with infestes broodlings they absolutly wreck everything.
Spawn Banelings absolutly tears through buildings and makes her a really strong one man army. Use banes to kill bunkers use grip to kill tanks / colossi etc kill rest with chain reaction which then spawns lots of banelings.

Twin drones is basicly a must in most mission as it speeds up the army building phase by alot and saves supply in the end game.

Now as for the final skill.. I havent found great use in the leviathan yet however drop pods are really useful in overwhelming bases and armageddon might have its use in a few missions.

I also prefer ling respawn over overlord supply but that might change.

As for armys i use mostly roach hydra queen compositions with ling reinforcements and kerrigan leading the charge landing her "snipes" everywhere.

Not sure if anyonr cares but feedback would be appreciated


I prefer overlord supply personally. has the potential to speed so much up i think.

I don't know if it would help that much because as long as you keep up with building overlords the instant morph is kind of useless so only the increased supply has an effect. Equally though I doubt the decreased drone supply would have a massive impact because I can't think of any missions where you would want to be hanging around till you hit max supply. I'd think setting up eco in half the time and half the larva would be more beneficial speed wise than overlords that give more supply but you would need to test it to be sure.
Liquipedia
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
March 15 2013 22:11 GMT
#1074
On March 16 2013 06:37 imallinson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 06:06 GreYMisT wrote:
On March 15 2013 23:45 Enema wrote:
HOTS GAMEPLAY SPOILER~
+ Show Spoiler +
I actually thought about it ... The only evolutions i really "need" are:
Ling (usually getting multi+insta spawn)
Roach (roachling spawn)

Hydras are not really needed but i like the long range single target lurkers in a few missions

Banelings .. Well I like the combination of kerrigans baneling spawn skill but i guess i could skip them and maybe use the heal skill of her instead or just live with the fact that they are worse? Then again kerrigans solo potential would be greatly hinderd

Mutalisk - Useless upgrade imo

Swarmhost - never built a single one

Ultralisk - well it takes alot of time to get them all :/

As for kerrigan skills i am currently also debating my build there.
I enjoy crushing grip and chain reaction especially combined with infestes broodlings they absolutly wreck everything.
Spawn Banelings absolutly tears through buildings and makes her a really strong one man army. Use banes to kill bunkers use grip to kill tanks / colossi etc kill rest with chain reaction which then spawns lots of banelings.

Twin drones is basicly a must in most mission as it speeds up the army building phase by alot and saves supply in the end game.

Now as for the final skill.. I havent found great use in the leviathan yet however drop pods are really useful in overwhelming bases and armageddon might have its use in a few missions.

I also prefer ling respawn over overlord supply but that might change.

As for armys i use mostly roach hydra queen compositions with ling reinforcements and kerrigan leading the charge landing her "snipes" everywhere.

Not sure if anyonr cares but feedback would be appreciated


I prefer overlord supply personally. has the potential to speed so much up i think.

I don't know if it would help that much because as long as you keep up with building overlords the instant morph is kind of useless so only the increased supply has an effect. Equally though I doubt the decreased drone supply would have a massive impact because I can't think of any missions where you would want to be hanging around till you hit max supply. I'd think setting up eco in half the time and half the larva would be more beneficial speed wise than overlords that give more supply but you would need to test it to be sure.



Overlord vs twin drones seems extremely favored to twin drones, assuming you don't supply block yourself if i recall correctly. It only gives 50% increased supply right? So every overlord gives 150 minerals worth, saving 50 minerals, and for every drone you make, you also save 50 minerals, but seeing as you build a lot more drones than overlords, then there is the added benefit of getting economy up faster, which is huge, and you also save some supply which means you will have to build less overlords.
Wat
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
March 16 2013 03:21 GMT
#1075
I really really really think people are underrrating the leviathan. If you use that and the -20% cooldown skill on Kerrigan you can have a permanent Leviathan on the field. The Q ability on the leviathan hits almost twice as hard as Kinetic Blast and the thing tears anything up that gets near it with normal damage. The whole Kerrigan one man army thing becomes stupid when she has a Leviathan floating behind her the entire time as well. Yes you can summon a drop pod every now and then but most of the time those units are going to die long before the Leviathan will and do less damage over time.
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
March 16 2013 04:50 GMT
#1076
On March 16 2013 12:21 Raelcun wrote:
I really really really think people are underrrating the leviathan. If you use that and the -20% cooldown skill on Kerrigan you can have a permanent Leviathan on the field. The Q ability on the leviathan hits almost twice as hard as Kinetic Blast and the thing tears anything up that gets near it with normal damage. The whole Kerrigan one man army thing becomes stupid when she has a Leviathan floating behind her the entire time as well. Yes you can summon a drop pod every now and then but most of the time those units are going to die long before the Leviathan will and do less damage over time.

I'm wondering if you will actually have the time to get enough bonus objectives to actually hit level 60. Because its only going to be used in the last missions it might not be worth the extra time to do the bonus objectives.
Liquipedia
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
March 16 2013 08:07 GMT
#1077
On March 16 2013 13:50 imallinson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 12:21 Raelcun wrote:
I really really really think people are underrrating the leviathan. If you use that and the -20% cooldown skill on Kerrigan you can have a permanent Leviathan on the field. The Q ability on the leviathan hits almost twice as hard as Kinetic Blast and the thing tears anything up that gets near it with normal damage. The whole Kerrigan one man army thing becomes stupid when she has a Leviathan floating behind her the entire time as well. Yes you can summon a drop pod every now and then but most of the time those units are going to die long before the Leviathan will and do less damage over time.

I'm wondering if you will actually have the time to get enough bonus objectives to actually hit level 60. Because its only going to be used in the last missions it might not be worth the extra time to do the bonus objectives.

I was playing around with the final mission NOT having the Leviathan or any of the level 60 unlocks and it takes so long that it's probably worth it on that alone.
nthrLL
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia45 Posts
March 16 2013 08:57 GMT
#1078
just a reminder that crystals for life is currently happening, check it out at http://www.crystalsforlife.ca/ - they're ~$3900 of their $5000 goal! :D
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
March 16 2013 10:33 GMT
#1079
$5000 passed in ~10 hours. Once again we suck at setting donation goals for marathons.
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
March 16 2013 15:39 GMT
#1080
On March 16 2013 19:33 Raelcun wrote:
$5000 passed in ~10 hours. Once again we suck at setting donation goals for marathons.

Honestly I think people either hear the goal and think its a per day goal instead of total. That or the community is growing in leaps and bounds and people dont realize just how many people may be watching at any given point and low ball the goal as a result
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