On May 29 2012 09:36 Cel.erity wrote:
Where is the SGT post about next ladder round? People are saying it's 350DP, but I don't see any official announcements.

I don't think they have a post yet but it's the last tab of the scrolling news in the game window. 250-350 DP starting June 7th.

BrTarolg

United Kingdom3574 Posts

May 29 2012 07:59 GMT

#682

350 dp is way too high imho

It's a total spamfest of rares and the game is way too swingy and luckbased D:

JSH

United States4109 Posts

May 29 2012 16:46 GMT

#683

Finally got Gart :>

Ughhh took forever
I don't fancy trying to get the other character cards

Antifate

United States415 Posts

May 29 2012 18:43 GMT

#684

On May 29 2012 16:59 BrTarolg wrote:
350 dp is way too high imho

It's a total spamfest of rares and the game is way too swingy and luckbased D:

Developers have to keep pushing people to play the game. D:

And higher dp means more "exciting" games. Or well, games with more effects flying everywhere. 200-300 would be a good range I think.

Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

May 29 2012 18:51 GMT

#685

350 is still way too low to make a deck with any kind of synergy. The reason you always see the same 2-3 decks winning in these ladder seasons is because nothing else is viable. The higher you make the DP cap, the more strategies become possible. The 300DP ladder was at least a little diverse, at 250DP it became a complete joke, with everyone playing the same deck.

Right now, you basically can't use rare followers save one or two, and you can only fit in a few DRs. Rare spells dominate the format due to their DP efficiency, which is unfortunate, because Academy and Darklore have the best ones.

I've been disappointed with the way they've handled ladder in a lot of ways. We had a healthy number of players in the 300 DP ladder and that was two months ago; it could easily be 500 by this point and I don't think there would be a problem. They're still marketing the game to new players, which detracts from the overall competitiveness of the ladder in the form of a broken life point system and low DP limit.

Gummy

United States2180 Posts

May 30 2012 01:56 GMT

#686

At what point does spamming double rares make my PvE deck LESS viable? I have 2 d.rares, on my way to a 3rd. I have every ep5 rare except cinia, because I don't want an academy char. I'm basically swarming size 1-3 rares and then using faction-independent buffs to keep my field nice and tidy. Then I run a single balance just in case shit hits the fan.

dignity

Canada908 Posts

May 30 2012 03:45 GMT

#687

Well, I find pure faction easier to deal with stupid things like Sense of belonging in dungeons. Getting a snowballed off-faction ep 5 prolongs the match for a long time and even threatens to lose you the match if you overbuffed it.

Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

May 30 2012 06:47 GMT

#688

On May 30 2012 10:56 Gummy wrote:
At what point does spamming double rares make my PvE deck LESS viable? I have 2 d.rares, on my way to a 3rd. I have every ep5 rare except cinia, because I don't want an academy char. I'm basically swarming size 1-3 rares and then using faction-independent buffs to keep my field nice and tidy. Then I run a single balance just in case shit hits the fan.

I actually find that most DRs aren't very good for PVE. Rare followers yeah, they're good because they're powerful followers, but most DRs have some kind of disruptive effect which isn't really what you want in PVE. The only DRs I run are buff spells. I don't run Balance, Dark Secret, Reunion, Advancement, stuff like that.

BrTarolg

United Kingdom3574 Posts

May 30 2012 09:19 GMT

#689

wtf 500 dp lol

I think 350 dp is way too high because basiaclly every card you play is some crazy rare/d-rare and it swings the game way too hard, pretty much any deck can win vs anything the higher the dp gets because each card becomes more and more powerful and can just clear entire boards

With the lower DP bracket it had much more stable games and thats why the good decks got to the top very reliably

I think you're totally wrong saying that it was all the same deck... Sharp was running a size deck that got to the top, pearz ran THREE different decks, marlis was running a totally different style of onsen sita to all the other onsen sitas

You also talk about the best cards being DL and acad but really most of the good acad cards arn't even academy locked - literally the only reason i run acad followers is mass recall and that's IT

Really imho some of the best cards are the vita follower buffs (and not wall climb/uniform tweak)
But you've never even faced it (i think literally only sharp is running it, and i've seen it cause im building decks with him)

zoshk

United States64 Posts

May 30 2012 21:07 GMT

#690

saw this thread when it had maybe ten pages, didn't play

clicked on an ad for it on some website two days ago and thought "why not?" then remembered there was a thread for it on TL
anyways my IGN is Zaleshk, playing darklore

Gummy

United States2180 Posts

May 31 2012 05:22 GMT

#691

My 3 sky surprise, 3 bondage deck is doing surprisingly well for farming mats. I think in Korea, it's one of the more powerful decks and is often referred to as the Surprise Bondage deck for its ability to unexpectedly dominate and humiliate your opponent's opponent [citation needed].

nosliw

United States2716 Posts

May 31 2012 05:39 GMT

#692

How is sky surprise good for you? Sending a follower to enemy and makes it size 1.

Resisty

United States375 Posts

May 31 2012 05:57 GMT

#693

Basically, you clutter their field with useless or weak followers and then Bondage them before wiping them out.

The theoretical max yield off this combo is size 10 field+3 Sky Surprises+9 size Bondage=22 size. Playing Meteor Call leaves you with 7 size of followers for 29 life theoretically. Use Iri or some other character and that's 30 in a single turn. That is, if you somehow survive to pull it off :D

Gummy

United States2180 Posts

May 31 2012 06:18 GMT

#694

On May 31 2012 14:57 Resisty wrote:
Basically, you clutter their field with useless or weak followers and then Bondage them before wiping them out.

The theoretical max yield off this combo is size 10 field+3 Sky Surprises+9 size Bondage=22 size. Playing Meteor Call leaves you with 7 size of followers for 29 life theoretically. Use Iri or some other character and that's 30 in a single turn. That is, if you somehow survive to pull it off :D

No. The point is to die in 2-3 turns while doing damage so you still get rank D instead of E.

On topic: It seems at 350 DP, the prevailing theme is more to put as many DP efficient cards as possible into your deck without any regard to synergy.

Also, I keep getting matched up in fight with Orz and his infinity DP doublerare spam. I'm 1-1 against him with my 346 point ladder legal deck :/

Resisty

United States375 Posts

May 31 2012 07:41 GMT

#695

You ruined my hopes and theorycrafting

JSH

United States4109 Posts

May 31 2012 13:53 GMT

#696

What should I be going for next?

I'm kind of lost with all the rares and double rares

Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

May 31 2012 15:23 GMT

#697

Library Ace is the best rare for you, if you can handle Crux Camp. If you can't, just clear the first ~10 floors and reset. Try to build your deck with 3 Uni Tweak and make it as effective as possible.

BrTarolg

United Kingdom3574 Posts

May 31 2012 15:33 GMT

#698

There's a lot to be said about making a vita deck full of size 1's and using passcode + AoE buffs / debuffs, throwing in a few hitters (gart, sita etc.) with it if you're looking for a cheap route

Lib ace is great, you can always shove in iri, and replace some of your weaker followers with the better vita ones and focus more on the vita buffs

JSH

United States4109 Posts

May 31 2012 15:50 GMT

#699

hmm so I should be trying to get stronger vita followers the 13/33 ones right?

Is there a specific double rare I should be heading for?
Wind Slash?
Balance?