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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
February 29 2012 09:50 GMT
#141
2d or 3d, whoever's developing it or not, blah blah blah. The one thing I care about is them getting away from awful d20 d&d ruleset. After playing Da:O and Da2 I've been spoiled. Obviously neither of those games were as good as BGII overall, but their combat/character/advancement systems were clearly superior once un-inhibited by d20 crap. It works for some games like Icewind Dale II, but honestly I didn't like it in NWN2 and I think whoever is making it will be way better of ditching a d&d based character/combat system.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 09:58:58
February 29 2012 09:54 GMT
#142
Actually after some thinking im afraid no one nowadays is capable of reproducing what was the essence of BG, every single legendary studio got killed or assimilated (EA), people who used to produce legendary games now produce average at best games. Money is ruling now, im not saying back then making money was not a priority but the market was different, i.e today's DLC slash achievements slash console-ish gaming would never, ever be accepted 7-10 years ago, nowadays its a norm, the target customer has changed.

edit: dunno why i mixed Obsidian with Bathesda -_- My bad, obsidian is good, bathesda bad :D
Stork[gm]
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 09:54:58
February 29 2012 09:54 GMT
#143
On February 29 2012 18:50 Drowsy wrote:
2d or 3d, whoever's developing it or not, blah blah blah. The one thing I care about is them getting away from awful d20 d&d ruleset. After playing Da:O and Da2 I've been spoiled. Obviously neither of those games were as good as BGII overall, but their combat/character/advancement systems were clearly superior once un-inhibited by d20 crap. It works for some games like Icewind Dale II, but honestly I didn't like it in NWN2 and I think whoever is making it will be way better of ditching a d&d based character/combat system.


I cannot agree. Dragon Age ruleset was indeed easy to understand, but that's because of how little there was of it compared to Baldur's Gate 2. In this game, more is better.
Mekare
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany393 Posts
February 29 2012 09:56 GMT
#144
Wow, this news have me excited and scared at the same time. Could be really awesome, but if they screw it up and do not capture the true Baldur's Gate feeling, it would be so disappointing. A part of me wants to jump around excitedly and giggle like the kid I was when I first played BG. But I don't really dare to get my hopes up.


Also:

On February 29 2012 17:45 Talin wrote:
PS. D&D3.5 rules or go home.

This.


Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
February 29 2012 10:13 GMT
#145
3.5 would be okay. 2 was over-complicated imo, and 4 seems dumbed down.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
February 29 2012 10:16 GMT
#146
On February 29 2012 18:40 VoO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 17:45 Talin wrote:
Oh dear. Somewhat intrigued, but I would say that the chances of them not screwing this up completely are next to zero.

PS. D&D3.5 rules or go home.


They will most definitely not use a D&D ruleset, I would bet on that. Publishers tend to think that every gamer is an immature imbecile and simplify everything.

Don't worry, 4e D&D is already simplified for new gamers. More similar to Dragon Age combat system then older D&D.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
February 29 2012 10:22 GMT
#147
On February 29 2012 09:23 -Archangel- wrote:
I would like to see Obsidian do it. They done a great job with Mask of the Betrayer storywise (and people praise Las Vegas more then Fallout 3) and with enough money and a good enough engine they can do a good job. Bioware has moved away from D&D games and their latest track record shows them becoming good at console like games. Bethseda was never about good storyline and characters so BG3 should not fall into their hands.


Yes, MOTB and New Vegas are far better than the vanilla games imo. They capture the spirit of their respective originals much better (NWN 1 and Fallout 1-2)

The thing that's left to decide is what system they'll be using. I _think_ they can make it work by moving away from D&D 3.5, but the thing about D&D is that it's so well developed, it's proven, and it works. However the thing about Baldur's Gate series is that it was so great story-wise that it could have literally worked on any system.

As long as they don't dumb down the combat entirely - to the level of blizzard games and other MMOs, I'll be happy.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 29 2012 10:31 GMT
#148
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?

Did NOT see that one coming, my god this would be so awesome
...just hoping they won't mess it up just 'cause it'll be next-gen :/
pleasepleaseplease...
emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 10:47:00
February 29 2012 10:46 GMT
#149
On February 29 2012 15:23 Jumbled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 13:21 Shirolol wrote:

I'm sorry that you feel that way old man.

SPARE NO-ONE!

So I kicked him in the head 'till he was dead, hahaha!

Go for the eyes Boo, GO FOR THE EYES!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Yes, oh omnipresent authority figure?

My old tavern's as clean as an Elven arse!

Heya! It's me, [removed]

So many great quotes from a couple of the best games ever made! (I preferred 1 by quite a large margin.) Several internets to anyone who can match the quotes to their characters. Yes, I am having a burst of nostalgia at the moment. :D

I may be an intelligent sword, but I've got no formal edumacation.


Sarevok

Random Hobgoblin

Bandit

Minsc

Edwin

Winfield or whatever his name is (or any innkeep)

Imoen

Also fell in love with BG1. Really was the first time you felt..... set loose on the world. Run into a bunch of mid level wizards when you're level 1-2? bad luck I guess. Try and win anyway!
Grubby - SaSe - Oz - Hero
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 11:09:05
February 29 2012 10:48 GMT
#150
TL has succeeded in killing their site eh?


Anyway: i'm pretty certain it will be just another terrible rip-off game with the name of an old epic.
Heck, even the console games (BG-Dark Alliance?) from the original time were pretty meh from all i heard.

Still: gonna look into this and look out for later reviews on my list of honest "I fucking hate most 98% of all games" reviewers.

To the above:
I only know german quotes. No multilanguage at the time
The voice acting was terribad, at least for the PC, but the actual translations pretty good.

"R-r-regen oder S.onnenschein, ich genieße es im Freien zu sein!"
"MONTARON! Ihr seid soooo enervierend! Ihr stellt meine Geduld auf die Probe!"
"Montaron... Ich... ich hab euch nie geliebt."
"HAH! aus ists mit dem verrückten Zauberer!"
"Fü~r nu~r ein klitzekleines bischen mehr kann ich ALLES machen was ihr wollt!"
(was that damned blacksmith for the ankheg platemails as gay in the original version as he was for us? xD)
"Ich wollte Infravision wie die Elfen... aber dafür genügte es nicht, nur ihre Augen zu stehlen!"
"Esss issst ssssinlosss sssichsss zu wehren!" (doppelgangers)

And lots more of Xzar and that depressed Wizard guy.
Havn't played BG1 in ages; but the 4 or 5 playthroughs i did left quiet the impression.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 11:04:05
February 29 2012 11:01 GMT
#151
Man... BG voice acting was soooo far ahead of its time. I played through BGII multiple times and the expansion, but I just now realized I never actually played BG I.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 11:08:08
February 29 2012 11:05 GMT
#152
On February 29 2012 20:01 Drowsy wrote:
Man... BG voice acting was soooo far ahead of its time.

Not really. Compare with jagged alliance for example.
No idea how the original was, but the german versions of 1 and 2 had AWESOME voice acting.

if anything i'd say video and voice acting has taken huge steps back from the feel and quality of that time.
They may LOOK bad today, but still feel better for many old games. Like, there's actual heart and work put into it, while its all "hey, here, have some good graphics to look at hurr durr" today.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 11:11:49
February 29 2012 11:08 GMT
#153
On February 29 2012 20:05 snow2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 20:01 Drowsy wrote:
Man... BG voice acting was soooo far ahead of its time.

Not really. Compare with jagged alliance for example.
No idea how the original was, but the german versions of 1 and 2 had AWESOME voice acting.

if anything i'd say video and voice acting has taken huge steps back from the feel and quality of that time.
They may LOOK bad today, but it still feels better for many old games. Like, there's actual heart and work put into it :S


The polish localization was done by CD Projekt (the company behind CDP Red, the makers of the Witcher) and it was, by far, the best localization I have ever heard. I dare say it was the best voice acting I have ever heard in any language in any game, ever. I couldn't believe how much worse the original voice acting was.

ahh
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
February 29 2012 11:18 GMT
#154
Man I love BG
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
February 29 2012 11:19 GMT
#155
THAC0 will be back, wooohoooo <3
NoiR
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
February 29 2012 11:20 GMT
#156
On February 29 2012 20:01 Drowsy wrote:
Man... BG voice acting was soooo far ahead of its time. I played through BGII multiple times and the expansion, but I just now realized I never actually played BG I.


Irenicus voiced by David Warner was one of the greatest decisions they ever made. Holy crap it really is an iconic voice.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 11:22:27
February 29 2012 11:21 GMT
#157
On February 29 2012 20:20 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 20:01 Drowsy wrote:
Man... BG voice acting was soooo far ahead of its time. I played through BGII multiple times and the expansion, but I just now realized I never actually played BG I.


Irenicus voiced by David Warner was one of the greatest decisions they ever made. Holy crap it really is an iconic voice.



Ahhh
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
February 29 2012 11:22 GMT
#158
On February 29 2012 19:46 emjaytron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 15:23 Jumbled wrote:
On February 29 2012 13:21 Shirolol wrote:

I'm sorry that you feel that way old man.

SPARE NO-ONE!

So I kicked him in the head 'till he was dead, hahaha!

Go for the eyes Boo, GO FOR THE EYES!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Yes, oh omnipresent authority figure?

My old tavern's as clean as an Elven arse!

Heya! It's me, [removed]

So many great quotes from a couple of the best games ever made! (I preferred 1 by quite a large margin.) Several internets to anyone who can match the quotes to their characters. Yes, I am having a burst of nostalgia at the moment. :D

I may be an intelligent sword, but I've got no formal edumacation.


Sarevok

Random Hobgoblin

Bandit

Minsc

Edwin

Winfield or whatever his name is (or any innkeep)

Imoen

Also fell in love with BG1. Really was the first time you felt..... set loose on the world. Run into a bunch of mid level wizards when you're level 1-2? bad luck I guess. Try and win anyway!

The fifth one is Jaheira, I think. Not Edwin.^o^
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
Szordrin
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland151 Posts
February 29 2012 11:23 GMT
#159
I want an epic story and a complex character management system... Not all the new hack n slay stuff combined with really weird character screens (flashy stuff without depth...).

Question though: Is it even possible to get away from D&D? The game plays in Faerun, which is D&D world no? Would they be allowed to use its history and content and apply a different ruleset to the game?

Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
February 29 2012 11:24 GMT
#160
I just started playing BG2 again

ahh... this game is so awesome
T H C makes ppl happy
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