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Shottaz
United Kingdom414 Posts
Can someone please explain why I would buy this when I could just... Instal my BG1 + TotSC, BG2 + TOB, run Tutu and everything to get all the kits in BG1 and play in my desired res. Is this going to be a remake to the point where its basically a port to the modern age? | ||
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SF-Fork
Russian Federation1401 Posts
On March 30 2012 21:21 Shockk wrote: Just buy BG1/BG2 from GoG.com, install Widescreen Mod, Community FixPack and community content like Unfinished Business. Takes ~5 minutes to set up and it's easy as pie. It takes much more time to set up though. But I still endorse this reccomendation. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On March 30 2012 21:26 Shottaz wrote: I have read through a fair number of posts on this thread. Can someone please explain why I would buy this when I could just... Instal my BG1 + TotSC, BG2 + TOB, run Tutu and everything to get all the kits in BG1 and play in my desired res. Is this going to be a remake to the point where its basically a port to the modern age? That's the thing, noone currently knows exactly what the Enhanced Edition will bring. And they're late a week on publishing the screenshots they've promised, with the iPad version looking pretty much like the vanilla game so far. As things currently stand, installing the old games + Tutu + various mods already is a fixed, stable and "modern" experience of the game. On March 30 2012 21:54 SF-Fork wrote: It takes much more time to set up though. But I still endorse this reccomendation. Please be careful with such statements. "Much more time" sounds very threatening when, in fact, it's really just a couple of minutes after downloading the mods that you can run the game perfectly fine. Yeah, it may not neccessarily be 5 minutes depening on what exactly you're installing, but it doesn't take 5 hours either. Folks interested in (re)playing Baldur's Gate today should definitely check out GoG and the already available community tools. Chances are they're doing exactly what we're going to see in the Enhanced Edition. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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SF-Fork
Russian Federation1401 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:30 Shockk wrote: That's the thing, noone currently knows exactly what the Enhanced Edition will bring. And they're late a week on publishing the screenshots they've promised, with the iPad version looking pretty much like the vanilla game so far. As things currently stand, installing the old games + Tutu + various mods already is a fixed, stable and "modern" experience of the game. Please be careful with such statements. "Much more time" sounds very threatening when, in fact, it's really just a couple of minutes after downloading the mods that you can run the game perfectly fine. Yeah, it may not neccessarily be 5 minutes depening on what exactly you're installing, but it doesn't take 5 hours either. Folks interested in (re)playing Baldur's Gate today should definitely check out GoG and the already available community tools. Chances are they're doing exactly what we're going to see in the Enhanced Edition. Installing all 4 games, installing TUTU and ensuring it works fine, fiddling around with the widescreen mod until you find what's best for you, unfinished business etc... Resolutions of whatever bugs. (I cannot start multiplayer unless I'm in windowed mode, imagine how long it took me to understand that). The game is not optimal in base install. I have never been able to fully enjoy BG in less that 1 hour of installation (whenever I reinstall time goes by and there are new computers and new OS etc. so previous problem solving that I already know doesn't usually apply, I have to find new ways to do it) Never have I fully installed BG in under 2 hours and no stress. Maybe it's just me. | ||
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
I really hope they add more crap than just a widescreen mod and shinier graphics 40+ more hours of gameplay + alternative ending + more spells + more classes + 10 new cities + 50 new quests is it too much to ask for? | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On March 30 2012 23:19 GhostOwl wrote: 40+ more hours of gameplay + alternative ending + more spells + more classes + 10 new cities + 50 new quests is it too much to ask for? Do you know just how much you are asking for? That is an enormous feat in and of itself. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10840 Posts
On March 30 2012 23:19 GhostOwl wrote: ugh...this is a big disappointment...who cares about BG for ipad / mac... I really hope they add more crap than just a widescreen mod and shinier graphics 40+ more hours of gameplay + alternative ending + more spells + more classes + 10 new cities + 50 new quests is it too much to ask for? 40 more horus of gameplay? In a enhanced edition (so not a truely new game)? Are you on crack? :D | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On March 30 2012 23:19 GhostOwl wrote: ugh...this is a big disappointment...who cares about BG for ipad / mac... I really hope they add more crap than just a widescreen mod and shinier graphics 40+ more hours of gameplay + alternative ending + more spells + more classes + 10 new cities + 50 new quests is it too much to ask for? That actually is too much to ask for, yes. Are you out of your mind  ? | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On March 30 2012 23:19 GhostOwl wrote: ugh...this is a big disappointment...who cares about BG for ipad / mac... I really hope they add more crap than just a widescreen mod and shinier graphics 40+ more hours of gameplay + alternative ending + more spells + more classes + 10 new cities + 50 new quests is it too much to ask for? Understand that you're basically asking for Mass Effect 1. 10 locations, some classes and abilities, a few ending options, 50ish quests, 40ish hours of storyline... yeah, that's actually about right for ME. That's a lot of work. | ||
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Frail
Iceland336 Posts
Really don't mind spending a bit of money for a bug fixed BG tbh. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:30 Shockk wrote: That's the thing, noone currently knows exactly what the Enhanced Edition will bring. And they're late a week on publishing the screenshots they've promised, with the iPad version looking pretty much like the vanilla game so far. As things currently stand, installing the old games + Tutu + various mods already is a fixed, stable and "modern" experience of the game. Please be careful with such statements. "Much more time" sounds very threatening when, in fact, it's really just a couple of minutes after downloading the mods that you can run the game perfectly fine. Yeah, it may not neccessarily be 5 minutes depening on what exactly you're installing, but it doesn't take 5 hours either. Folks interested in (re)playing Baldur's Gate today should definitely check out GoG and the already available community tools. Chances are they're doing exactly what we're going to see in the Enhanced Edition. I actually agree with the much more time statement. Many mods love to tinker heavily with the difficulty and some very important gameplay elements. It takes way more time to research what the mods actually do and whether a player would want them or not. Personally, I rarely play with mods because they usually include "fixes" that I don't want. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On March 31 2012 01:27 andrewlt wrote: I actually agree with the much more time statement. Many mods love to tinker heavily with the difficulty and some very important gameplay elements. It takes way more time to research what the mods actually do and whether a player would want them or not. Personally, I rarely play with mods because they usually include "fixes" that I don't want. Aww come on, are all of you guys deliberately trying to get me wrong? I'm just trying to encourage people to try what's already there and all you come up with is horror stories of customization for advanced users which will just scare away people who haven't yet tried community mods. All I'm saying is that it's possible to get an enhanced experienced out of the games with community mods, and it doesn't take overly long to set up. People can already experience Baldur's Gate, support companies like GoG.com in the process and don't have to wait for this mysterious new version, of which we haven't even seen the promised screenshots so far. Yes, you can spend a very long time setting up various mods or tinkering with the settings, and yes, some things like multiplayer aren't perfect; it's where the games' age shows. But let's say you have something very basic like BG1 or Baldur's Gate 2 + ToB vanilla installed. With the GoG client, the install takes a few minutes; in the meantime you download only the really essential stuff; say just the widescreen mod and the community fixpack. Once the game's installed, you set up the mods which should just take a few minutes, and voilá, you can now play an enhanced Baldur's Gate. | ||
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SF-Fork
Russian Federation1401 Posts
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On a side note, the most glaring difference to me between BG and modern games is the quality of the dialogue. What has happened in the video game industry where no one is capable of writing decent prose? DA:O was hit and miss, decent writing in some places, terrible in others. Don't get me started on DA2, the whole thing reads as if written by a 6th grader. You could look at the mass effect series and say pretty much the same thing, some good dialogue in the original, but ME2 and ME3 contain many cringe worthy lines of dialogue. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
about the GoG etc versions of baldurs - they have done great amazing work on the games and nothing but praise from me....but its true it takes time to set up and install all the bits and make sure its working and its true to research what each tweak or mod does and then decide if u want to play that way or not makes it make a lot more time....its a great project and very successful but it is overwhelming especially for a person who is completely new to the games my last thought is given the GoG/mods of baldurs are so comphrensive and so good for the overall quality of the game - i.e. not just bug fixes but really worthwhile changes to balance playability etc etc - i wonder if the official enhanced version will be able to compare. if its basically the same game with different resolutions well the GoG versions are still looking very competitive i think....in the blurb they say the infinity engine is rebuilt but i don't know what that really means in practice....i wonder how hard it will be for GoG infinity engine tools to be ported to the new engine....maybe i will have to wait for GoG versions of enhanced and the process starts all over again haha | ||
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Ornithorynquez
430 Posts
On March 31 2012 06:23 Duravi wrote: On a side note, the most glaring difference to me between BG and modern games is the quality of the dialogue. What has happened in the video game industry where no one is capable of writing decent prose? DA:O was hit and miss, decent writing in some places, terrible in others. Don't get me started on DA2, the whole thing reads as if written by a 6th grader. You could look at the mass effect series and say pretty much the same thing, some good dialogue in the original, but ME2 and ME3 contain many cringe worthy lines of dialogue. It's hard to talk about this without being seen as an oldschool bitching gamer, and I'm so glad you mentionned it. Too few people realize how crappy nowadays the dialogs (and sometimes storylines) are compared to the BG series. And i'm not saying this as a nostalgic gamer still under the spell of my first love, after more than a decade of gaming i've enough hindsight to see this kind of evolution between BG and other games pretending to be in the same veign. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On March 31 2012 06:52 Ornithorynquez wrote: It's hard to talk about this without being seen as an oldschool bitching gamer, and I'm so glad you mentionned it. Too few people realize how crappy nowadays the dialogs (and sometimes storylines) are compared to the BG series. And i'm not saying this as a nostalgic gamer still under the spell of my first love, after more than a decade of gaming i've enough hindsight to see this kind of evolution between BG and other games pretending to be in the same veign. The thing is, if you look at BGs plot as a whole, start to end (and I don't want to spoil anything here since many read this thread that haven't finished the series), it is pretty simple, and many would say somewhat generic. In overall narrative I think Planescape or MotB are much stronger. It's not the beginning and the end in BG, it's the journey. The excellent sidequests, humorous dialogues (soloing this game is doing yourself a disservice if you haven't already played through it several times), etc... You can have a pretty simple plot but fill it with excellent dialogue and vivid characters and now you have something great. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
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