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Prawned
Profile Joined August 2004
United Kingdom794 Posts
September 10 2005 10:59 GMT
#21
That's too bad It's true about the massing archers. My very first 10 games I won purely on double AoW archer rush. Then I started playing people who had more than 1 arm.

NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 10 2005 11:41 GMT
#22
On September 10 2005 19:43 Syst[eM] wrote:
While it is true that low level NE generally beats low level other races, at higher levels NE has no advantage.


That is wrong on so many levels... NE is the strongest solo race by far because of the diverse strategies they can pull off.

I have one name to say to you: Spirit_Moon.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Kobayashi
Profile Joined February 2003
Portugal1970 Posts
September 10 2005 11:55 GMT
#23
On September 10 2005 20:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2005 19:43 Syst[eM] wrote:
While it is true that low level NE generally beats low level other races, at higher levels NE has no advantage.


That is wrong on so many levels... NE is the strongest solo race by far because of the diverse strategies they can pull off.

I have one name to say to you: Spirit_Moon.


i have one name to you too: Boxer. omg, terran is imba
I love mankind, its people I hate
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5420 Posts
September 10 2005 12:15 GMT
#24
My fav UD player is Susiria... because he speaks awesome english and seems to enjoy the whole european/north american community

and he's a fun player to watch lucifer is 2nd

NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 10 2005 12:18 GMT
#25
Susi's fragmented English is pretty cool, like during WC3L obs chat. ;D He sounds like a good guy.

Playwise, I like to watch FoV, Lucifer, GoStop and Susiria out of the Korean UDs.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-10 12:30:03
September 10 2005 12:27 GMT
#26
On September 10 2005 20:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2005 19:43 Syst[eM] wrote:
While it is true that low level NE generally beats low level other races, at higher levels NE has no advantage.


That is wrong on so many levels... NE is the strongest solo race by far because of the diverse strategies they can pull off.

I have one name to say to you: Spirit_Moon.


Spirit_Moon is good but I don't like him much personally, Zeus's and APM70's aka Deadman's style is much better imo.

And I think you're wrong. It's not the diversity of strategies that makes night elves so easy to play and hard to beat. In my opinion it's because they have better units than other races. Let's take a look at a couple of them ok?

1. Dryad: tier 2 unit, pretty cheap, 530 hp, ranged, slows down enemy, immune to magic, fast, has autocast dispel. Please show me other races units that are half this good :/
2. Druid of the Talon: autocast faerie fire (reduces armor + gives you maphack), cyclone, can turn into powerful a-a unit
3. Druid of the Bear: roar, rejuvenation (this spell pwnzors), when in bear form they're the strongest melee unit around
4. Huntress: very low tech, over 500 hitpoints, ranged attack (range is very low but it's still 1 free hit vs melee), attack hits multiple targets

Also some of their units/heroes can hide at night, their buildings walk and hit hard, they have really cheap and fast building main (for exps), and they haven't got 1 crappy hero.

This could be the reason that they own so much, no?

Edit: And I forgot that like no other race they can make extent use of tavern heroes since they work well with their usual unit combos.
Oh, and did I mention moonwels?

Edit2: I think I didn't mention mg's and staff they get in shop at t2 too...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
fEAthEr
Profile Joined July 2004
Canada482 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-10 12:30:41
September 10 2005 12:29 GMT
#27
fEAthEr's UD Guide

First thing you do..

vs any race


Go and change your nova hotkey to c...this is the most important....

now...build dk.lich.dl ALWAYS IN THAT ORDER! go ghouls/fiend, then tech upto statue, then go dest to win...

c+click tab c+click tab c+click on hero...

thats all... nothing more... 90% win ratio...
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-10 12:34:20
September 10 2005 12:30 GMT
#28
Why change nova to "c"? I have it under "z" ^_^

Edit: Why you had to edit your post when I was writing mine? :D

Edit2: Btw. You know what'll happen to your ghouls/fiends if:

vs orc: he'll have tc with stomp as second hero
vs nelf: warden/panda = gg your units, bear/dryad = gg your units
vs hum: mk >>>>>> ghouls/fiends, footies > ghouls and >>>>> fiends, rifles > ghouls and > fiends, rif/casters = gg for you
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
fEAthEr
Profile Joined July 2004
Canada482 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-10 12:42:46
September 10 2005 12:33 GMT
#29
cuz im cool

edit:

On September 10 2005 21:30 Manit0u wrote:
Why change nova to "c"? I have it under "z" ^_^

Edit: Why you had to edit your post when I was writing mine? :D

Edit2: Btw. You know what'll happen to your ghouls/fiends if:

vs orc: he'll have tc with stomp as second hero
vs nelf: warden/panda = gg your units, bear/dryad = gg your units
vs hum: mk >>>>>> ghouls/fiends, footies > ghouls and >>>>> fiends, rifles > ghouls and > fiends, rif/casters = gg for you


vs orc.. thats why you dont have much for melee..and he loses a healer as a second hero so gogo vs fs/troops

vs nelf.. warden/panda = aa build... wtf i have no magic harmable air.. and its the most common... you want fiends vs dryads... dest vs bears.. he wants dryads vs dest.. bears vs fiends.. very very classic matchup..

vs huma... spam cast like you dont know ... just keep on eating the slow ;o..
fEAthEr
Profile Joined July 2004
Canada482 Posts
September 10 2005 12:48 GMT
#30
meh..i might as well jump in the other argument too...

nelf suck cuz of lacking of teching...cuz their towers sux and you cant tower worht crap

n2m all their heroes (save dh) suck the big one imo...thats whyy they resort to tavern so much :O
Syst[eM]
Profile Joined August 2005
335 Posts
September 10 2005 13:08 GMT
#31
Manit0u, if Night Elf are so strong you go play with them and show me 70-30 record on solo. I would like very much for you to prove how the night elf are strongest by beating public players.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
September 10 2005 13:34 GMT
#32
On September 10 2005 22:08 Syst[eM] wrote:
Manit0u, if Night Elf are so strong you go play with them and show me 70-30 record on solo. I would like very much for you to prove how the night elf are strongest by beating public players.


70-30? This will take me some time since I don't ladder much anymore but ok ^_^ If I get it I'll post here a screenshot
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Syst[eM]
Profile Joined August 2005
335 Posts
September 10 2005 15:11 GMT
#33
Please tell us the account you plan to use so we can track your progress.
SunShine
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands787 Posts
September 10 2005 15:20 GMT
#34
just do AT with me and we will get 70-30 np :O
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
September 10 2005 16:56 GMT
#35
I can always AT with WaweR or Bogoos ^_^ or even better, tell bogoos to make me such account But it's not the point, I probably won't ever make it because I don't like playing NE, I simply don't "feel" this race at all.

btw. today I got my fastest win with UD (~7min 30sec vs level 35 human on echo) *cheers*
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
SunShine
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands787 Posts
September 10 2005 17:05 GMT
#36
wawer+bogoos ftw! loved their 2on2
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
September 10 2005 17:12 GMT
#37
On September 11 2005 02:05 SunShine wrote:
wawer+bogoos ftw! loved their 2on2


To be honest with you... They started owning after copying Wizard/Tak3r strat and upgrading it slightly when none known it good and none known how to stop it ^_^
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
September 10 2005 17:13 GMT
#38
On September 10 2005 17:09 brite wrote:
best uds around are fov/susiria/lucifer/gostop
winner isn't that good. madfrog was good once but that time is past sadly.
generally speaking there is no european except perhaps 4k.fury that can keep up with the korean uds. philbot suxx. winner is only good if he gets really lucky.
abver hasn't won anything as far as i know (no tourneys or vs good players)
i have no idea who happy is though(is he american??)

Happy is a Russian player previously playing for es4x, now playing for mouz. If you don't know that I really wonder if you know what you are talking about.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
September 10 2005 19:36 GMT
#39
winning a UD vs HU match is nothing to boost about.
Rillanon.au
SunShine
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands787 Posts
September 10 2005 20:13 GMT
#40
On September 11 2005 04:36 haduken wrote:
winning a UD vs HU match is nothing to boost about.


Ghaha your right here Ud so imba vs us humans ;(
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