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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 09 2012 05:03 GMT
#1841
So why exactly did the Jets trade for Tebow again? Rex Ryan is such an overrated coach. Hell, I'll just say it: he sucks.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
October 09 2012 05:06 GMT
#1842
They got Tebow+7th round pick, for a 4th and 6th pick. Also paying the Broncos 2.5 millions for his contract.
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
October 09 2012 05:10 GMT
#1843
Let it be known: I voted Teblow. Partially because I hate Suckchez... partially because I think Tebow is really good at winning games for a reason. Tebow is not a stellar quarterback. He can hardly throw the ball at all, to be completely honest. But he plays his game within his limitations. Drives end with kicks or touchdowns with him, because he is very protective of the ball. On the other hand, Suckchez makes very risky, stupid decisions that cost his team games sometimes. Tebow will take the sack and let his team punt before making a wild throw into double coverage to avoid losing yards. With Tebow, you're almost guaranteed a long, drawn-out battle, as long as the defense can hold the other team within 24 points. Suckchez hurts the team more than he helps in many situations.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37033 Posts
October 09 2012 05:27 GMT
#1844
reposted poll on new page:

Poll: Who should the Jets use as their QB?

Tim Tebow (13)
 
57%

Mark Sanchez (5)
 
22%

Greg McElroy (5)
 
22%

23 total votes

Your vote: Who should the Jets use as their QB?

(Vote): Tim Tebow
(Vote): Mark Sanchez
(Vote): Greg McElroy

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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 15:39:37
October 09 2012 15:28 GMT
#1845
On October 09 2012 05:45 BloodNinja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 22:34 QuanticHawk wrote:
I got offered Roddy White for my Marshawn Lynch.

Standard league + 6 for TDs.

I have 2 rb spots and a flex. Currently have Lynch, Ridley, Matthews, Leshore, F. Jackson and CJ2k.

Am I right for thinking I can't hit accept fast enough here?? The rest of my WRs suck: Antonio Brown, Meachem, Kendall Wright, Mike Williams. (start 3)

I've got VD and Ryan/Rivers in my other positions, so I really am a WR away from spanking people.


The best offer I had otherwise was Ridley for Reggie Wayne, which I think was a tad high. I was obviously gunning for a WR in any trade, but my goal was to keep Ridley Lynch and Matthews unless I was getting a top 5 wideout.


The only issue I have with your post is that I don't consider White a top 5 WR (Julio Jones and Tony Gonzalez cut into his looks too much to be a top 5). That being said, he is large step above Wayne and your WR core is a complete dumpster fire so the trade most likely worth it even if you are giving up points on a player to player comparison.

White's got the most catches in the league the last 3 years iirc, and is on pace for almost 100 catches again and is averaging 96ypg, 15+ than last year.

Def agree about Lynch being a lot, but I figured with the depth I was ok. Which doesn't matter because ima fuckin G in negotiations and got him to take Ridley for White heads up anyway, which is way better for me. So my starting now looks like:

QB: Ryan
WR: White, Brown, M. Williams (TB)
RB: Lynch, Matthews
TE: VD
wrt flex: one of F. Jackson/Leshore/CJ2K
K: Carpenter
Def: Atlanta (I play waivers for this)


Bench: Rivers, K. Wright, F

I am very happy with this now. I'm probably one of the most well rounded teams in the league after this, and I am sure one of Jackson, Leshore or CJ2k blows up, or at the very least, one proves to be flex worthy each week.

Re: Jets
People got a bit high on Ryan after those first two years... but also fail to realize that Tannenbaum has done absolutely shit in drafting in the past couple of years.

I loathe to quote BR, but: "Eight of the Jets' 13 draft picks from 2009 thru 2011 were running backs, quarterbacks or wide receivers. Of those eight players, only three (Mark Sanchez, Shonn Greene and Jeremy Kerley) play a significant role in the offense. Of those three, only one (Kerley) should feel good about his job security beyond 2012."

That's not even touching their horrible line. Or the fact that they can't seem to hit anyone good in the draft defensively other than Revis... it is a personnel problem more than anything there.

About starting Tebow, I don't see what the hell that does other than make that dumpster fire burn a little brighter. Sanchez sucks... I think he'd be servicable on a team with actually weapons—which he proved in the two years they went to the AFC title game—but he has none now. The line sucks dick outside of Dbrick and Mangold. Holmes was overrated as shit anyway and the rest are completmentary players (Kerley) or scrubs at best. Green is definitely not anywhere near as good as people thought, but that line doesn't help.

You start Tebow, it is essentially tossing up the white flag. Sanchez is as good as done if you chip at that last bit of confidence. He obviously can't pass, but he probably will have trouble running too bc the Jets line was that bad and the Denver line was actually pretty solid. I see no gain from it. He obviously isn't a long term solution. Sanchez is under contract for a few more years, might as well try to build on him and hope for the best.

While people are saying the Jets should go with Barkley if they are in that spot... I would honestly consider whatever stud RB/WR is out there. Maybe even a OL. Because all three of those areas suck just as bad, if not more.
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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
October 09 2012 15:44 GMT
#1846
On October 09 2012 06:07 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 13:28 Serpico wrote:
Here are some pretty interesting stats about the Seattle defense 5 games in.....formatted in tweets from a seattle blogger (Hawkblogger) so some things are abbreviated and the tweets should be read bottom to top.

+ Show Spoiler +

Mario Williams, he of 1.5 sacks, is getting paid more this year (per @DavisHsuSeattle) $25M than Chris Clemons (5.5 sacks) entire contract


The Seahawks defense held the Panthers offense to 3 points. Those points came after a 3rd down personal foul on Clemons, and a dropped INT by Earl. (earl thomas and chris clemons)


check that, the Panthers had 3 drives that ended with negative yards. Can't forget the Irvin strip sack at the end...
7 of the Panthers 11 drives were three plays or less.

The Panthers had more drives that resulted in negative yards today (2) than they did scoring drives (1).

The Seahawks rank #1 in the NFL in opponent yards/play at 4.4. PIT led NFL last year, allowing 4.5 yards/play.

Seattle Seahawks rank #1 in the NFL in yards against, 258.6/game. No Seahawks team has ever ranked higher than #6 in a season (1984)

Depending on the result of the HOU game tomorrow night, the #1 scoring offense (NWE) will face the #1 scoring defense (SEA) next week in SEA

Courtney Upshaw, Melvin Ingram, Quintan Coples, and Chandler Jones have combined for fewer sacks (3.5) than @BIrvin_WVU11 (4.5).

@ChrisClemons91 and @Birvin_wvu11 are ranked #4 and #7 in the NFL in sacks, respectively.

The Seahawks play 5 of the Top 10 rush defenses the rest of the way (MIA, CHI, MIN, SF, NWE). Passing game better find its way.


The Panthers had 70 yds rushing at halftime. They managed 12 in the 2nd half.

Irvin on pace to crush rookie sack record. Wagner on pace to break rookie tackle record. Wilson wins starting job. Not a bad first 3 picks


I don't know why I like Russel Wilson so much, except that the ex's family were HUGE Badgers fans, and I met a bunch of the players through her, so I guess I wanted them to win the Rose Bowl and stuff, but I digress. I really like Wilson, and hope he has a good career. I like a lot of what we've seen out of him so far, though he certainly has room for growth.

I hope teams aren't sleeping on Seattle the way the media is, because they'd be really stupid to do so. I liked what they were doing defensively last year quite a lot, and thought pretty highly of them coming into this season. They're really just a mediocre passing game away from being a very good team. I think they're built a lot like the 49'ers are, and we see where they're getting with a less than stellar pass game (though it's looking pretty good so far this season). They won't need an aerial assault the way the Pats or Saints do things, but if they could get a top 15 passing game, this team could contend for the Super Bowl, they're that good everywhere else. I was very high on this team being a wild card contender this year, and definitely a spoiler for a lot of other good teams. The division is still very much San Francisco's though; SF has the passing game these guys need.

My thoughts on week 5:

The Saints got a few gifts from the refs to win that game last night. There were some awful calls that cost the Chargers time, and big plays, which helped the Saints. The PI call was weak as hell against Gates. The hold the followed it was a terrible call, imo. The center hardly impeded the DT's progress after losing the block, it certainly wasn't a very egregious call, and I don't think it should have been made. That may have been the second hold, I don't recall. Either way, I thought the refs gave some pretty big gifts down the stretch. SD still had a shot to win, and missed though, so it's an earned win.

I was happy to see the Cardinals lose this week, because I think that team is a sham. Very good defensive team, but the offense is pathetic. Kolb sucks now, and will never be a great starter, imo. They have no running game... I don't know how they're winning games, but I'm glad it stopped.

The Broncos... still the same problems they've been facing for the last five weeks, or whatever it's been. They need to get off to better starts. They also need much, much better ball security. D. Thomas needs to not fumble that ball. That's a swing of, probably, seven points, but almost guaranteed three, which would make that drive where McGahee fumbled a game tying drive. Speaking of McGahee, for the second time this season, had an absolutely crucial fumble late in the game, which killed their comeback attempt. It's not acceptable to put the ball on the ground. It's not acceptable to give the ball to the other team. The only saving grace in all of this is that everyone else in the division lost this week, so the gap didn't widen. I still have hope for this team, because they have such strong second half performances. They get SD next week, which gives them the opportunity to go into the bye with the division lead. It's a must-win game coming up. If they can go into the bye at 3-3, I think they'll be in very good shape to make the playoffs. For me, this team is all about the playoffs, and being "good enough" right now. As the season progresses, I expect to see the offense coming together more, making better plays early in the game, and allowing the defense to have ample rest so they can make stops late game. If that happens, then they'll make the playoffs, and they'll be a very difficult opponent in the playoffs. But the offense really needs to get it together in the first and second quarter.

The Bears are having similar problems to Denver, I think. They're getting by on offense, but they're off to such slow starts, it's painful to watch sometimes. They've had good fortune in having an easy schedule, and a dominant defense to start the season, but we saw what happens when they get off to a slow start vs a capable team (@ GB, week 2). The offense is playing exceptionally well once the defense gives them a lead, but they're so tight, and out of rhythm before then. The offense is going to need to carry the team at some point this season, and at this moment, they haven't shown they're capable of doing so. Everyone is hyped on this 4-1 record, but I hope the coaching staff and players are seeing what needs to be worked on. They have a lot of work to do before they're going to beat the big boys in SF, Houston, or NE. I think they're in for a real test against Detroit in two weeks, but with all that time to prepare, I expect to see a win.

Let downs of my week:
KC losing to Baltimore. Even though it helps Denver, I really dislike the Ravens, and that game was there for the taking. Baltimore is starting to look more and more like the same old, same old, aren't they? Flacco continues to not be great, because he doesn't have the ability to be great. 13/27 - 187 yards, 1 INT. Not what you're looking for from the self-proclaimed best quarterback in the league. Brees lit up the same defense for 240 and 3 TD's. Rivers got 207 and 2 TD's. Matt Ryan threw for 299 and 3 TD's. Even Ryan Fitzpatrick managed to throw 2 TD's on this team, even though he threw less yards (178). The excuse of no talent at WR isn't there for Flacco anymore either. He's got Torrey Smith, who is exceptional with the ball in his hands; Boldin is one of the better wide outs in the game (imo); and that's not even mentioning Ray Rice, who is one of the top HB's in the league, and probably number two or three as far as pass catching goes. There's a ton of talent for him, yet he completes less than 50% of his passes against a team other QB's are throwing for high percentages, and a lot of TD's against. He's just not that good, and he is the reason that they will not be in the Super Bowl this year.

Very disappointed in the Philly game. Vick needs to stop turning it over at the goal line. I don't care how many potentially game winning drives he's made this year, he's a detriment to the team right now. He took another score off the board with his carelessness at the goal line, and it cost them the game: another three points wins this one, and they had a chip shot if they didn't get a TD on that drive. I think he fumbled a second time, but I didn't watch the game. It only strengthens my point if he did fumble again down in the red zone.

Atlanta over Washington. Washington had a bunch of chances, but they gave up too many big plays, and didn't make enough. Losing RG3 hurt very badly, probably is the single reason they lost. Good effort from Washington, but close doesn't count in the NFL. There are no style points, there are no moral victories: there are wins and losses.

But my biggest let down is Buffalo's defense. Seriously, where is this hyped defensive front? It's completely absent right now. Mario Williams, Kyle Williams, Marcell Dareus, Mark Anderson (overrated to begin with)... they can't get to the QB, they can't stop the run, they can't do anything right. It's sad to watch, but also awesomely hilarious to know that they wasted all of that money on these guys. To think that I was upset that the Broncos took Von Miller over Dareus last season. Shows what I know!

Surprises of the week:
Starts with Indy's comeback, obviously. I couldn't believe the comeback from Indy. Green Bay really has a lot to fix on that defense. The imbalance of their offense hurt them again, imo. With as big of a lead as they had, clock control needed to be the focus of the game for them in the late fourth quarter, but incomplete passes led to clock stoppages, and extra opportunities for the Colts to come back. Amazing game all around. Great poise from the rookie QB, great efforts all around by Indy. GB should be hanging their heads after that one.

Minnesota - not just this week, but on the season. Quietly, they're one of the best teams in the NFL right now. Another team in the mold of San Francisco. Crushing defense, great running game, and a passing game that's good enough to get by with. The key to their success? They're not turning the ball over. Drives end with kicks or touchdowns for them, and that's the way every team wants every drive to end. If you're not turning the ball over, you can win the field position battle, and that gives your defense more opportunities to stop the other team. When the defense stops them early, that gives your offense a better chance of scoring (shortened field). They're playing solid, fundamental football. I don't think that it will continue throughout the season, but it's very impressive for such a young team to start this way.

I don't know what to think:
The Giants. I don't know what to think about them. They're finding ways to win, but they're doing it in a really ugly fashion. The Browns should never have had a 14 point lead. They look the same as they did in the regular season last year, and that's not good with the East playing this well. I've never seen a team have more tipped passes off of THEIR hands end up as INT's. It's insane how many missed completions they have go against them. They must be a really frustrating team to be a fan of.


Agreed with most of your points except for the last one. Even with sloppy games, the Giants are still easily the best team in the NFC East, and it's a large stretch to say that division is playing well. Dallas and Philadelphia are both being hampered by QBs with the turnover bug, and Washington is crippled by injuries and still rebuilding. The Giants should be able to take the East easily.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
October 09 2012 15:52 GMT
#1847
Yeah I do not think the NFCE is playing well at all. Vick looks like dogshit, but the Iggles D looks better... McCoy is a fucking stud... the Cowboys have many problems. I think a lot has to do with coaching. They got all this talent on offense but it never seems to come together right. Their D is improved though. The Skins are surprisingly improved... it's actually kind of scary to think what they'll look like with Carriker and Orakpo back next year and RG3 with more experience.

The Giants look way better than they are because that amazing dline makes up for a very average D otherwise. Eli also makes that offense churn. Dude seriously is stupid good. Their offensive playcalling still sucks because Gilbride is midly retarded. But Eli overcomes that and makes everyone look like a stud in that passing game.
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 18:07:38
October 09 2012 18:05 GMT
#1848
You say their coaching is bad every year, yet there they are, winning Super Bowls every few years with it. Their offensive play calling isn't bad, it's just that their dipshit WR's give the ball to the other team too often. That team is far from overcoming bad play calling. It's got nothing to do with coaching out in NY.

If the Giants were far and away the cream of the crop in that division, they wouldn't be 0-2 in it. They're suffering the same problem as the rest of the division (except the 'Skins): they're incredibly underwhelming for the amount of talent that they have. They're inconsistent because players are making bad plays in NY. Eli makes a retarded throw here and there, Cruz and Nicks have a pass bounce off their chest to the other team, or someone fumbles the ball at a really bad time. Those things have nothing to do with coaching.

It's nice to live in a world of paper, but reality has to take over at some point. The Giants are not playing so well this year. I mistyped in the last novel that I wrote here, and said they were "playing well," when what I really meant was that the division is playing competitively (as in, who will win it is up in the air, since they're all doing the same thing).

I'm predicting it right now, since Hawk brought it up. RG3 and Luck will take a step back next year. While everyone was dickriding Cam Newton last year (and he had a great year, don't get me wrong), I was saying "Yeah, let's see him do this next year when the defenses remember how to play during the first six weeks." And here we are: he's struggling mightily. Cam may still be good one day, but he's still just a young guy, and he's going to go through some growing pains, as will RG3 and Luck.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
October 09 2012 18:30 GMT
#1849
Not bad, I just think it is average coaching, specifically the offensive playcalling. They run a lot of dumb draws and other shit at weird times. Consistency and ill timed turnovers are definitely a thing too, but the knock on the giants for years is that Gilbride calls an awful game.

The Giants have won, in my opinon, because Ernie Acorsi and Jerry Reese worked some goddamned magic in their drafts and with their signings. Recognizing that Plax gave that offense a dynamic it didn't have in years past. Recognizing they didn't need him, they didn't need Steve Smith, Manningham, because of the talent they cultivated behind that (and how fucking good Manning is). They find value in all areas of the draft... compare that with the dogshit the Jets have gotten in the past 3-5 years or so.

And yeah, second years for rookies has always been a huge thing. It's hard to gameplan for a dude when you've got almost no tape on him. Same thing happened with Vick and many other rookies who beat the curve. Though Cam's rookie year was so good there was like no where else to go but regress at least a little... doesn't help how fucking awful the rest of that team is at times. WTF Dwill???
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
October 09 2012 20:05 GMT
#1850
More QB Facebook conversation.
http://profootballmock.com/?p=5020
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
October 09 2012 20:29 GMT
#1851
On October 10 2012 05:05 Irave wrote:
More QB Facebook conversation.
http://profootballmock.com/?p=5020


Haha, I saw that RG3 bit coming a mile away and still laughed.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
October 09 2012 20:49 GMT
#1852
On October 10 2012 03:30 QuanticHawk wrote:
Not bad, I just think it is average coaching, specifically the offensive playcalling. They run a lot of dumb draws and other shit at weird times. Consistency and ill timed turnovers are definitely a thing too, but the knock on the giants for years is that Gilbride calls an awful game.

The Giants have won, in my opinon, because Ernie Acorsi and Jerry Reese worked some goddamned magic in their drafts and with their signings. Recognizing that Plax gave that offense a dynamic it didn't have in years past. Recognizing they didn't need him, they didn't need Steve Smith, Manningham, because of the talent they cultivated behind that (and how fucking good Manning is). They find value in all areas of the draft... compare that with the dogshit the Jets have gotten in the past 3-5 years or so.

And yeah, second years for rookies has always been a huge thing. It's hard to gameplan for a dude when you've got almost no tape on him. Same thing happened with Vick and many other rookies who beat the curve. Though Cam's rookie year was so good there was like no where else to go but regress at least a little... doesn't help how fucking awful the rest of that team is at times. WTF Dwill???


Let's be honest neither of the Panther backs have been good the last two years.
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
October 09 2012 20:58 GMT
#1853
Those QB convos are going to get really old. That wasn't even remotely funny compared to the first one.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
October 09 2012 21:09 GMT
#1854
On October 10 2012 05:49 tonight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 03:30 QuanticHawk wrote:
Not bad, I just think it is average coaching, specifically the offensive playcalling. They run a lot of dumb draws and other shit at weird times. Consistency and ill timed turnovers are definitely a thing too, but the knock on the giants for years is that Gilbride calls an awful game.

The Giants have won, in my opinon, because Ernie Acorsi and Jerry Reese worked some goddamned magic in their drafts and with their signings. Recognizing that Plax gave that offense a dynamic it didn't have in years past. Recognizing they didn't need him, they didn't need Steve Smith, Manningham, because of the talent they cultivated behind that (and how fucking good Manning is). They find value in all areas of the draft... compare that with the dogshit the Jets have gotten in the past 3-5 years or so.

And yeah, second years for rookies has always been a huge thing. It's hard to gameplan for a dude when you've got almost no tape on him. Same thing happened with Vick and many other rookies who beat the curve. Though Cam's rookie year was so good there was like no where else to go but regress at least a little... doesn't help how fucking awful the rest of that team is at times. WTF Dwill???


Let's be honest neither of the Panther backs have been good the last two years.


Average wise, they were both very good last year... they just got less carries because the Panthers passed more than they had in the past, played from behind a lot, and Cam also ate into their carries.

This year I dont even know what the fuck. I somehow got saddled with Dwill as a late round depth back in two leagues. ick.
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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
October 09 2012 21:40 GMT
#1855
Well, I have Shonne Green in a league. So, I'm beyond belief in a worst position.
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
October 09 2012 21:57 GMT
#1856
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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
October 09 2012 22:01 GMT
#1857
On October 10 2012 06:57 Irave wrote:
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Heh, that's retarded. People are fantasy players because they are a fan of the game and enjoy fantasy, not because they can't cut it as a professional football player, but I'm sure he already realizes that. Also, since I'm sure it's Dwill owners that are upset with him, by suggesting they don't know how to play fantasy he's saying they should drop him from their line-ups. He should probably take a step back and think about that one.

But in all seriousness, there will be angry fantasy owners of every person in the league, even the studs. These guys can't respond to all of them on twitter, they just have to grow thicker skins.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
October 09 2012 22:32 GMT
#1858
I don't fault him for responding, its funny. He had a poor game, he knows it, got upset. Checks his twitter angry people wishing him to get injured etc. If the past two years and the addition of Tolbert weren't enough to convince you to not draft either from their backfield this year I donno. Plus starting him against the Seattle defense.. Its all common football sense. So he has a point about the fantasy coach. He is a great player, just not for fantasy football.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 09 2012 22:39 GMT
#1859
On October 10 2012 06:57 Irave wrote:
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Drew Brees plays fantasy and is a better player than this chump could ever hope to be soooooooo

And I say that as someone who absolutely fucking loathes fantasy and all conversation about fantasy.
Remember Violet.
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