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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
May 29 2013 21:40 GMT
#781
Having never used gravelkind in the previous games...how do I make sure my crappier, younger so doesnt get the capital of my little empire? its impossible to decide which province to build up since the game seems to keep shifting around what he will inherit. First it was Oxford and Westminster and now that I've invested in buildings in Middlesex he is going to inherit that instead. is there a rule that he gets the best province or something like that?

Anyway, as the English Vikings, I think the key is knocking down Murcia and Wessex so they cant repeatedly holy war you. That way the only nearest Christian country will be either France that is always busy falling apart or Scotland that will be too busy digesting the Islanders/Northumbria.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13984 Posts
May 29 2013 21:45 GMT
#782
you can give your crappy son some crappy province that way your good sons will get a greater share of whats left of your lands.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Yuljan
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 23:04:18
May 29 2013 23:01 GMT
#783
Well I played quite a bit of the DLC now. Playing the norse can be tricky but if all goes well its just as easy as a republic. My strategy was starting with one province in norway and gain the kingdom of norway through subjugation (only get 1 Duke Title if you have more than 1 son (or kill all of the useless sons with imprison = execute this will create some unrest ).
When my old king dies and I got a new fresh heir I immediately started subjugating Sweden and Denmark. In the 10 year period between the subjugations you can get some provinces from finland. Dont worry if sweden or Denmark isnt completely united. They will most likely accept a vassalization offer after you subjugate the biggest one. After that become the emporer of scandinavia and divide your kingdoms/provinces between your sons. I try to keep my sons at 1 though.

Homosexual females are my preferred wives. Does anyone know how to become the head of the norse religion? I got 3 holy sites but cant create it. It says im not norse. Maybe its buggy?

PS: Whats with all the Priests trying to convert me? I get like 2 priests every month. 50g for free.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
May 29 2013 23:08 GMT
#784
Homosexual females are my preferred wives.

Only in Crusader Kings.

On topic: Maybe it is buggy, but do you have enough piety?
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
May 30 2013 00:18 GMT
#785
Yea once you get large enough, it does become easy because you can go out and raid for 500-2k into France, and with England you can actually buy pagan mercs.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13984 Posts
May 30 2013 01:03 GMT
#786
I don't like gaming the system with killing all but one of my sons in gavelkind. seems like it ruins the challenge of a exploding and imploding empire.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 30 2013 02:05 GMT
#787
norse republics are hilarious

have all the benefits of being a norseman
but with patrician elective succession
also did someone say... gold?
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
May 30 2013 06:28 GMT
#788
If you give your son a temple holding it should knock him out of the succession.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 30 2013 12:09 GMT
#789
Can somebody explain how the tech system works now? Because it seems like I can't click on anything anymore and I have 0.00 +0 tech point growth.
Yuljan
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
2196 Posts
May 30 2013 16:38 GMT
#790
On May 30 2013 21:09 Talin wrote:
Can somebody explain how the tech system works now? Because it seems like I can't click on anything anymore and I have 0.00 +0 tech point growth.


Tech level slowly increases. As a count you dont gain any tech points except(not sure about this) through sending your spy to study technology (some random event gives you 50 points). Dukes, Kings and Emporers gain points steadily with emporer gaining the most. You can manually upgrade a specific tech with these points. (Retinue + 200% every upgrade is op) .
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
May 30 2013 20:12 GMT
#791
On May 31 2013 01:38 Yuljan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 21:09 Talin wrote:
Can somebody explain how the tech system works now? Because it seems like I can't click on anything anymore and I have 0.00 +0 tech point growth.


Tech level slowly increases. As a count you dont gain any tech points except(not sure about this) through sending your spy to study technology (some random event gives you 50 points). Dukes, Kings and Emporers gain points steadily with emporer gaining the most. You can manually upgrade a specific tech with these points. (Retinue + 200% every upgrade is op) .


200% retinue is just retarded, it's nerfed to 50% in PB.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 30 2013 20:30 GMT
#792
Yeah, it was probably because I was running and Irish county. Seriously, I need to get the hell out of that isle, It feels like I played 90% of my total CK2 time in there. -_-
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
May 30 2013 20:53 GMT
#793
I think its because the Islanders is probably one of the most fun Duchies to play. You can create the United Kingdom but its hard, and you can pillage lots of places, and because you are so far away from europe the number of mercanries you hire is significantly smaller and because you are far away from europe you are far away from France/Germany throwing 100k stacks at you.

On a related note, they need to really figure out a way to get the Byzantine ai more interested in Syria/Egypt and less interested in Croatia/Hungary. Everytime I look over there the purple blob keeps moving closer and closer to Germany.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
May 31 2013 00:29 GMT
#794
Gavelkind is pretty stupid right now, if you form a kingdom you will lose your capital on succession, which makes you lose all the new tech, too.


Just a warning.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
May 31 2013 02:17 GMT
#795
On May 31 2013 09:29 LaNague wrote:
Gavelkind is pretty stupid right now, if you form a kingdom you will lose your capital on succession, which makes you lose all the new tech, too.


Just a warning.


It depends on how much land you preemptively give your heir I think.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13984 Posts
May 31 2013 02:56 GMT
#796
On May 31 2013 11:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 09:29 LaNague wrote:
Gavelkind is pretty stupid right now, if you form a kingdom you will lose your capital on succession, which makes you lose all the new tech, too.


Just a warning.


It depends on how much land you preemptively give your heir I think.

you can only give your imediate heir 1 land title I think. The point is taht you should be preemtively giveing your other sons poorer provinces to support your favorite son.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 31 2013 03:22 GMT
#797
continuing my norse republic game...

prepared invasion of sicily, won, ruler dies in a viking raid, fortunately had stuffed enough money into the campaign fund, second ruler invades italy, won, annexed some other sicilian territories, raided various countries, captured byzantine princess... with a strong claim on the empire... that half the empire was currently in a civil war (and winning) for.

o.O
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
May 31 2013 04:09 GMT
#798
I dont know, I still feel like Gravelind has an element of randomness in who gets what because after I gave my other sons provinces what my oldest son will inherit keeps switching around despite me having no new heirs.
ManicMarine
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia409 Posts
May 31 2013 04:41 GMT
#799
On May 29 2013 22:38 Yuljan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 19:52 Lysteria wrote:
On May 29 2013 17:47 Sub40APM wrote:
and then populate it with random provinces that never see any action and serve no real purpose.


Supplies, son!
Especially when you aren't playing a huge country to begin with, each province giving you an easy access to supply without having to rely on convoys/escorts is a good province. Hell, a 80+% infrastructure province is a treasure you must cherish!

That being said, Old Gods seems fun as hell.
Is there real new content in this DLC, or everything on it was doable with a mod?
I'll buy it anyway at some point, it's mainly to know if it can add something to the actual mods. :p


Raiding wasnt possible before I guess. Anyone else tried playing the zoroastrians? Really hard position after 30~ years the sunnis declare multiple holy wars on me and crush my little empire. Why cant a man marry his sister and be left alone!


I managed to restore the Persian Empire, but I had a bit of help with a successful Byzantine Empire keeping the muslims busy, and the Arabian Empire imploding ~20 years into the game.

I used Cumania's frequent civil wars to take Turkestan, relying on my 5000 free starting troops to win the war quickly. Became Turkestan, upped the Crown Authority to Low, and made it elective. This gave me a decent power base, large enough to win a war against Khiva. However, any invasion would inevitably be joined by Persia, so I had to wait for a civil war in Persia to give me the window of opportunity I needed. When the old King of Persia died and his sons started squabbling, I gobbled up half of Khiva, which subsequently imploded into independent counts, which suited me just fine

I managed to hold onto all my western territories by playing a defensive game whenever I was invaded. The mountains there make army movements very slow, and have low supply limits, meaning that 15k army which crossed the border is down to 8k by the time it reaches my capital. Even though it sieged down all the provinces along the way, I was only at -50% warscore when I finally met them in battle at my capital, in which I crushed their army. I then deseiged the provinces I had lost and ended up with +40% warscore, and only had to wait a few years for a nice 500gold pay packet.

So by 960 I was king of Turkestan and Khiva, held all of the southern coastline of the Aral, and my northern dukes had been working hard as well, picking at the bones of the Cumans. They had managed to extend my borders almost all the way up to the top right of the map, and I had a northwest border on the river Volga. I did have to fight a couple of wars against these northern dukes, but I won and centralised my power, distributing titles in a way I hoped would avoid any duke, or pair of dukes, having sufficient power to challenge the throne.

My other main problem was the frequency of revolts. I had Persian culture, so all my Turkish northern subjects hated me. Peasant revolts every 5 years. Also, because Zoroastrians don't start in control of any of their Holy Sites, their moral authority is really low. This means frequent heresies, which means frequent religious rebellions.

Anyway, once you have this position all you need to do is wait for a civil war in Persia, and then swoop in and carve out a huge chunk of it. That should cripple them, and you can spend the next few decades slowly eating them, eventually becoming King of Persia. Reclaiming Mesopotamia was easy for me because as I said the Arabian Empire was no more, but I'm guessing it'd be a lot harder if that didn't happen.

TL;DR
To win as Zoroastrians, expand first to the north and then consume Khiva when the opportunity arises. Fight defensive wars and let attrition do its job. Muslims love their civil wars, take full advantage of them.
Manic by name, Manic by nature.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13984 Posts
May 31 2013 04:54 GMT
#800
On May 31 2013 12:22 Caller wrote:
continuing my norse republic game...

prepared invasion of sicily, won, ruler dies in a viking raid, fortunately had stuffed enough money into the campaign fund, second ruler invades italy, won, annexed some other sicilian territories, raided various countries, captured byzantine princess... with a strong claim on the empire... that half the empire was currently in a civil war (and winning) for.

o.O

This is the story of like half my games. you can get so quickly wrapped into the struggle for the Eastern roman empire it'll make your head spin.

Constantinople is where crusader kings 2 games go to die.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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